Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

RTE - the end is nigh - high wages come home to roost

  • 01-06-2009 02:05AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭


    RTE on the brink of going bankrupt

    Broadcaster is losing €1m a week

    Sunday May 31 2009

    RTE is losing €1m a week and will not be able to pay staff by October unless a programme of salary cuts and redundancies is implemented in the coming weeks.
    The crisis comes amid growing anger among staff at the level of pay and bonuses paid to the director-general and senior management over the past number of years.

    The bankruptcy warning has come from management at the State broadcaster and the director-general Cathal Goan has cautioned that up to 300 jobs are now under threat.

    The cash-strapped station is facing a "worst case scenario" of a budget loss of up to €100m -- far more than the current estimate of €68m.

    The news comes as staff at the national broadcaster continue to ballot this week on whether or not to accept proposed pay cuts of up to 12.5 per cent. A well-placed source at RTE has described the station as "sitting on a knife-edge", as the proposal is about to be put to a staff vote.

    "This is make or break for RTE. There will be no other offers put on the table. Staff have been told that management is drawing up a list of people who they are going to make redundant, if necessary, to save money. The entire organisation is sitting on a knife-edge now."

    Speaking about the prospect that RTE could run out of money by October because of high costs and a collapse in advertising revenue, a spokesperson for the station said: "We need to claw back €68m. It poses a significant cash crisis for RTE. Otherwise the station will be in serious financial difficulty."

    Asked about the warning that several hundred jobs are now under serious threat at the station, the spokesperson continued: "There has been an ongoing negotiation process over the last month and if that fails Mr Goan has made it clear to staff that we will have to look at alternatives. And there aren't that many alternatives available."

    Meanwhile, tension within the organisation is said to have reached fever pitch. Last week a number of staff placed 'vote no' posters around the Donnybrook complex only to have them ripped down shortly afterwards.

    There is also growing resentment among workers over the level of executive pay.

    In 2007 Cathal Goan earned €441,000, more than US President Barack Obama. In the same year Mr Goan's basic salary was €283,000, his performance-related bonus was €108,000, his pension supplement was €23,000 and his other benefits amounted to €27,000. His salary was up from €360,000 on the previous year.

    In the same year, managing directors in RTE earned between €150,000 and €200,000. They also received a bonus of €20,000, a 'performance-related uplift' of €5,200 and another €30,000 for simply being a member of the executive board.

    The figures are the last official earnings to have been released by the state broadcaster. Management have said they have since taken pay cuts to their bonuses but the publication of the 2008 Annual Report, currently due out, has been delayed.

    All members on the executive board also receive €12,000 a year for driving their cars to work. The 'car allowance' is given to managers who simply park in the station car park at Donnybrook.

    RTE are looking for a five per cent reduction on the first €50,000 in earnings, seven and a half per cent on the next €50,000, 10 per cent on those earning between €100,000 and €150,000 and 12.5 per cent between €150,000 and €250,000.

    - NIAMH HORAN Entertainment News Reporter EXCLUSIVE

    Sunday Independent


    This was coming for a long time. If the staff reject these pay cuts it is certain RTE will not exist this Autumn. This is near a time when Ryan Tubirdy rejected his paycut initially and the likes of Marian Finnucan (who is on holiday most of the time it seems) and Joe Duffy command wages way outside of what I deem acceptable for what they do in this small country. They question the wages of politicians!? It's them that need the arse kick more then anyone.

    TBH I would gladly see the organisation go bankrupt.
    Tagged:


«1345

Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,956 ✭✭✭CHD


    Nah nah nah nah.....


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    cut the late late show. its not like people watch it :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    If Gerry Ryan switched from Doughnuts to Chocolate Digestives the day could be saved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    If only they tought of Play Tv before Tv3:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Good old unions, vote no, don't let the big bad company push you around with paycuts. Just lose your job instead.

    Have to say I personally couldn't give a ****e if RTÉ did go under.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,859 ✭✭✭✭Sharpshooter


    They're only on the brink now?
    /I am so behind on the AHs news


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 308 ✭✭Tyranax


    I hope against hope that RTE see sense, and that pay cuts are enacted. For the station to be losing that much money, given the quality of it's output, is unreal, and unacceptable. I would caution against wishing it gone though. It's our State broadcaster after all, a rather important institution. For sure, lessons need to be learnt here. Productivity needs to improve. Doesn't mean that the place should be burnt to the ground though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 431 ✭✭donegalman1


    Wonder will we get a refund of our TV license if it does go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wonder will we get a refund of our TV license if it does go.
    More like They will raise the cost of the TV license to make up for their abject incompetence.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If RTÉ goes, does it mean that we will see these again.




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    0% chance RTE will be let go under.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cooker3 wrote: »
    0% chance RTE will be let go under.


    True, but they may send in some "Seagull Managers" to sort things out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    darkman2 wrote: »
    This is near a time when Ryan Tubirdy rejected his paycut initially

    To be fair, isn't he seperated and he couldn't take a paycut and reduce the maintenance he paid.
    A solution was found but I'm not suprised he rejected the paycut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭The Pontiac


    darkman2 wrote: »
    RTE - the end is nigh - high wages come home to roost.

    More like lack of imagination is coming home to roost. Tubridy and Kenny.. enough said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭fredzer


    In 2007 Cathal Goan earned €441,000, more than US President Barack Obama. In the same year Mr Goan's basic salary was €283,000, his performance-related bonus was €108,000.

    How the f**k is this guy getting a performance bonus if RTE is loosing a million a week... greedy c**t's.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Decent shows=decent viewing figures=decent advertising revenue.

    Maybe if they got rid of some of the crap presenters who think they are superstars they might be able to run at a profit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Decent shows=decent viewing figures=decent advertising revenue.

    Maybe if they got rid of some of the crap presenters who think they are superstars they might be able to run at a profit.

    i doubt it has nearly as much to do with viewing figures as the huge drop off in advertising which is affecting all media who depend on it. anyway, decent shows cost €€€


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Highsider


    I'd say the whole thing is an excuse to get more money for the TV licence. Would'nt be surprised to see it go up by 50 quid or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    So what if RTE goes under

    ....we'll still have RTE2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Elessar


    Personally I would love to see RTE go under. Absolute garbage home made programmes (seriously, celebrity banisteoir?! There aren't enough culchies on the planet to justify that sh*te), overpaid personality-less presenters and a culture where everyone knows everyone, because they're all family or friend related in some way, and only look after their own.

    Let it crumble tbh.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,145 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    How can you say you'd be glad for them to go under..? One of Ireland's best and oldest commercial assets, typical fcuking bellyaching by those with nothing better to do

    Sure they have poor content, **** presenters etc

    But improving and adapting to the modern market would be better than going under imo


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Overheal wrote: »
    More like They will raise the cost of the TV license to make up for their abject incompetence.
    They might do, but then they will be stuck with a load of people refusing to pay for it.
    fredzer wrote: »
    In 2007 Cathal Goan earned €441,000, more than US President Barack Obama. In the same year Mr Goan's basic salary was €283,000, his performance-related bonus was €108,000.

    How the f**k is this guy getting a performance bonus if RTE is loosing a million a week... greedy c**t's.

    I don't even know who that guy is and he makes near on half a mill a year.
    Highsider wrote: »
    I'd say the whole thing is an excuse to get more money for the TV licence. Would'nt be surprised to see it go up by 50 quid or so.
    It can't go up anymore. The people won't wear it again. It's already a hefty sum for poor service. It's already too much and undeserved.
    How can you say you'd be glad for them to go under..? One of Ireland's best and oldest commercial assets, typical fcuking bellyaching by those with nothing better to do

    Sure they have poor content, **** presenters etc

    But improving and adapting to the modern market would be better than going under imo
    Yes. Improving and adapting to the modern market might be beneficial. However since they have shown no sign of doing that then it's time to cull. Let them sink or swim on their own merits. The last thing the tax payer needs is to fund more shoite from the national broadcaster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭chrism2007


    who is this Cathal fella and why am i paying a TV license for the clown?

    if RTE goes down does the TV license go aswell?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 595 ✭✭✭the_dark_side


    and Pat Kenny says he has retired because of personal reasons (would like to spend more time with his wife ) LOL... Me thinks our Pat could spot the impending tsunmai and wanted to slip out the back door with his retirement lump sum incase he would be told in months to come... 'sorry Pat, no golden handshake, we're bankrupt'

    anyone agree??


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What purpose does a state broadcaster actually serve?...We read how we can't allow the state broadcaster fail,etc

    Question is why not??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,389 ✭✭✭✭Saruman


    chrism2007 wrote: »
    who is this Cathal fella and why am i paying a TV license for the clown?

    if RTE goes down does the TV license go aswell?

    A quick google finds: http://www.rte.ie/about/goanc.html

    Looks like he is in charge so its his mess!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    O lawdy me first reynards goes into liquidation and now RTE is under threat, its like twilight of the ****ehawks.

    I really hope RTE goes under, we have no need for a state owned broadcaster


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    something will have to be done.
    there is still a fair few people in the country who just get the basic 4 channels, rte 1, rte 2, tv3 and tg4.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,169 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    The consumer will always be made to pay for their mistakes.

    They need to attract a bigger audience which will mean advertisers will buy more ad space which will give them bigger revenues.

    They did this in the 90's but instead of modernising the station they gave themselves higher salaries.

    The days for turning a blind eye to greed are long gone. We now demand value and if you cannot provide value then good riddance.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Poor RTE boo hoo. Maybe if they had of run the station properly instead of like an overpaid old boys club they wouldnt be in this mess. But they didnt so **** em :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    How can you say you'd be glad for them to go under..? One of Ireland's best and oldest commercial assets, typical fcuking bellyaching by those with nothing better to do

    Sure they have poor content, **** presenters etc

    But improving and adapting to the modern market would be better than going under imo
    Agreed. It's knee jerk nonsense to suggest the state broadcaster should be let go to the wall.
    There have been many crimes committed by RTE, Winning Streak being the worst but they provide a good standard of programming imo, in all areas apart from light entertainment. Their website content is also good.
    The salary structure is obviously way out of sink at the organisation and it won't be any harm to cull numbers and introduce further pay cuts but let's stop the calls for total wipeout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Bunch of know-nothing-know-it-alls.

    RTÉ are not going anywhere.
    Why?
    Because the people of this country won't let it happen.

    Now all you hipsters out there might turn your nose up at their programming in favour of the far more sophisticated Hollyoaks on E4, but the country does not revolve around you.

    Fair City? Not my cup of tea, but it still pulls in about half a million viewers.
    Same with the late late.

    A couple of hundred thousand for other show.
    Then you have the soccer fans jerking off to Giles and Dunphy. The rugger buggers buggering each other while wearing Ryle Nugent masks (what sort of name is Ryle anyway?).
    The list goes on.

    So you can all sit there and moan about Ryan and Kenny and all the other dicks, but will one of you do anything to get rid of them?
    Not a chance.

    Just knit me some seatbelts. It's a bit more productive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    salonfire wrote: »
    What purpose does a state broadcaster actually serve?...We read how we can't allow the state broadcaster fail,etc

    Question is why not??


    simply, it puts out tv and radio programs that serve the public interest and are not purely driven by commercial factors. if you compare and contrast rte rith tv3 or bbc with utv you should get the idea. the problem you see repeatedly in these threads is that a lot of people who whine about RTE have a fairly short-sighted and selfish view of what serving the public means: for example "I don't like the Late Late, therefore everyone in RTE should be shot and our license fee refunded"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭dorothygale


    Venom wrote: »
    Poor RTE boo hoo. Maybe if they had of run the station properly instead of like an overpaid old boys club they wouldnt be in this mess. But they didnt so **** em :)

    Agreed. Completely.

    The only thing I watch RTÉ for is the news. Last December I had moved to a new apartment in Smithfield and as I am just not a big TV watcher I decided the free to air channels would be fine... couldn't tune any of them in for the life of me... and this has been the case everywhere I've lived in this country.

    The programming is awful, why they don't pull a Channel four and get young and creative people in there I'll never know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    It could never happen anyway. Imagine an Ireland where TV3 was the main channel. There would be mass suicides.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Terry wrote: »
    So you can all sit there and moan about Ryan and Kenny and all the other dicks, but will one of you do anything to get rid of them?
    Not a chance.

    And how would we do something about it o ye of all the answers?

    Any other company who I dont wish to support I can simply not pay for/purchase there product. This is not the case with RTE whose product by law I have to pay for just for owning a TV :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    The programming is awful, why they don't pull a Channel four and get young and creative people in there I'll never know.

    channel four? apart from the decent graphics/titles what is so innovative about channel four these days? (honest question).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Tago Mago wrote: »
    It could never happen anyway. Imagine an Ireland where TV3 was the main channel. There would be mass suicides.

    Dunno about this tbh. In this day and age how many people are limited to just having access to the Irish TV channels?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Terry wrote: »
    RTÉ are not going anywhere.
    Why?
    Because the people of this country won't let it happen.
    The politicans won't let it happen, it would look bad to see a country's state owned broadcaster go down.
    Terry wrote: »
    Fair City? Not my cup of tea, but it still pulls in about half a million viewers.
    Same with the late late.
    Many watch it since it is "just on", many would not willingly subscribe to those channels if they were given the choice. This is why many people have an issue with RTE, if you own a TV capable of receiving a signal and only watch DVDs on it you are still legally obliged to pay overpaid presenters salaries. People with "dodgy boxes" watch all sorts of crap on channels they would never dream of subscribing to.
    Terry wrote: »
    So you can all sit there and moan about Ryan and Kenny and all the other dicks, but will one of you do anything to get rid of them?
    Not a chance.
    Not a chance of people even bothering to do anything, since as already said there is no chance of them going. So whats the point, what could anybody try. They have a cosy little setup, rtes site says 99% of peoples homes should have a licence. So they have legally obliged you to take up their subscription. You already said loads are tuning into it, so why the obligation, why not let people subscribe if they want, just like sky sports. Because they are rightly scared sh*tless that feck all people would pay those fees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Murt10


    Have a look at this link

    http://www.rte.ie/performinggroups/

    There seems to be a (1) RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra (2) RTÉ Concert Orchestra (3) RTÉ Vanbrugh Quartet (4) RTÉ Philharmonic Choir and (5) RTÉ Cór na nÓg

    How many f/t musicians are employed in these groups? How many back up/administrative/management staff. What is their total budget and do they represent value for money. How much do they bring in to RTE annually?

    How many people would even notice if they were closed down in the morning.

    I would ask similar questions regarding the garda and army musicians. Do these musicians do ordinary garda and army work or are thet full time musicians..


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,145 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Venom wrote: »
    And how would we do something about it o ye of all the answers?

    Any other company who I dont wish to support I can simply not pay for/purchase there product. This is not the case with RTE whose product by law I have to pay for just for owning a TV :(

    You 'need' a TV License regardless of whether it's capable of receiving RTE or not, it's to do with the apparatus, not the broadcasts you watch
    Q. Do I require a TV Licence even though I do not use my TV for watching broadcasts?
    A. Yes. The position is that a television set constitutes apparatus for wireless telegraphy as defined in the Wireless Telegraphy Acts, 1926 to 1988. Under these Acts, it is an offence to possess apparatus for wireless telegraphy except under and in accordance with a licence. Accordingly, a television set must be licensed regardless of its capability to receive RTÉ or any other broadcasting service.

    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Broadcasting/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Television+Licence+FAQ/Television+Licence+FAQ.htm#10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Venom wrote: »
    And how would we do something about it o ye of all the answers?

    Any other company who I dont wish to support I can simply not pay for/purchase there product. This is not the case with RTE whose product by law I have to pay for just for owning a TV :(
    I don't have all the answers. I never professed that I did.
    However, if you were to do something, then I would suggest a grass roots campaign to,
    1. Get the wages lowered for those who you feel do not deserve it.
    2. Push for a digital service which would prevent access to RTÉ for those without a licence, leaving the licence fee there for those who want to watch the channels.
    3. Lobby your local TD about these problems and get him or her to bring it up in the Dail.
    4. get people to sign a petition for your cause. Not an on-line petition because they are not worth the paper they're not written on. An actual petition where you go door to door or stop people on the street.
    5. If needs be, you could form a protest outside the station's HQ in Donnybrook.
    6. Send out leaflets or pamphlets letting people know what your agenda is.
    7.Get someone running for office to support your campaign.

    Thast's just off the top of my head.
    If you really want things to change, then you have to work for it.
    It doesn't just fall into your lap.

    Any further questions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,608 ✭✭✭themont85


    Murt10 wrote: »
    Have a look at this link

    http://www.rte.ie/performinggroups/

    There seems to be a (1) RTÉ National Symphony Orchestra (2) RTÉ Concert Orchestra (3) RTÉ Vanbrugh Quartet (4) RTÉ Philharmonic Choir and (5) RTÉ Cór na nÓg

    How many f/t musicians are employed in these groups? How many back up/administrative/management staff. What is their total budget and do they represent value for money. How much do they bring in to RTE annually?

    How many people would even notice if they were closed down in the morning.

    I would ask similar questions regarding the garda and army musicians. Do these musicians do ordinary garda and army work or are thet full time musicians..

    Quite a few actually, just because you don't like something doesn't mean others don't,i'm sick of reading this thread tbh. Most of the shows people are bitching about are pulling good figures in, RTÉ are suffering from 1)fragmention of the market 2)Ad revenue in the media collapsing. Sure people are overpaid now in this climate, serious adjustments will have to be made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    You 'need' a TV License regardless of whether it's capable of receiving RTE or not, it's to do with the apparatus, not the broadcasts you watch



    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Broadcasting/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Television+Licence+FAQ/Television+Licence+FAQ.htm#10

    And the money from said TV License goes to RTE to pay for its overpaid and under talented "superstars". The license money does not pay for better equipment or facilities like road tax and its only NEEDED because the law says so. Hell why not have a fresh air tax as we NEED fresh air :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭ionix5891


    if they raise the bloody tv license in order to continue paying for a **** tv station that i never watch i will flip


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    Terry wrote: »
    I don't have all the answers. I never professed that I did.
    However, if you were to do something, then I would suggest a grass roots campaign to,
    1. Get the wages lowered for those who you feel do not deserve it.
    2. Push for a digital service which would prevent access to RTÉ for those without a licence, leaving the licence fee there for those who want to watch the channels.
    3. Lobby your local TD about these problems and get him or her to bring it up in the Dail.
    4. get people to sign a petition for your cause. Not an on-line petition because they are not worth the paper they're not written on. An actual petition where you go door to door or stop people on the street.
    5. If needs be, you could form a protest outside the station's HQ in Donnybrook.
    6. Send out leaflets or pamphlets letting people know what your agenda is.
    7.Get someone running for office to support your campaign.

    Thast's just off the top of my head.
    If you really want things to change, then you have to work for it.
    It doesn't just fall into your lap.

    Any further questions?

    Terry I agree 100% with every one of those points but honestly If they were acted on do you honestly thing the current bull**** situation would change?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    You 'need' a TV License regardless of whether it's capable of receiving RTE or not, it's to do with the apparatus, not the broadcasts you watch



    http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Broadcasting/Frequently+Asked+Questions/Television+Licence+FAQ/Television+Licence+FAQ.htm#10

    That is the official line yes but we all know its complete bollocks!

    Seriously if the shows are so popular let it live off the revenue it pulls in.

    There are a lot of people who'd gladly not pay a subscription for RTE. Let us have our way and then let them live on the money they should realistically have to run.

    Shouting public service broadcaster is bollocks as they do what they are told by the big boys and are not impartial.

    I'd rather pay the UK TV license and get BBC's service than continue paying for RTE. They don't offer anything a private company can't offer like TV3 but it costs twice as much when its RTE for some reason. Pay for TV license and ads and for what?

    The popular shows would still get aired on a private station since their profitable and popular. The only thing that would suffer is the things that can't pull in the audience to cover their costs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭RGDATA!


    Venom wrote: »
    And the money from said TV License goes to RTE to pay for its overpaid and under talented "superstars". The license money does not pay for better equipment or facilities like road tax and its only NEEDED because the law says so. Hell why not have a fresh air tax as we NEED fresh air :rolleyes:

    while I'd agree the wages are excessive, the "superstars" are paying their way in RTE for the most part - the Late Late/Pat Kenny's Radio Show, Gerry Ryan's show and TV stuff, Ryan Tubridy's stuff...while I'm not a big fan of most of these they are pulling in the viewers, and thus generating the advertising revenue to pay for their shows. None of these shows are running at a loss for RTE, so in that particular sense they are not being subsidised by the license fee. So I think you're wrong to frame it as though "the reason the license fee is high is because Gerry Ryan, the bollocks, is getting overpaid"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Venom wrote: »
    And the money from said TV License goes to RTE to pay for its overpaid and under talented "superstars". The license money does not pay for better equipment or facilities like road tax and its only NEEDED because the law says so. Hell why not have a fresh air tax as we NEED fresh air :rolleyes:
    That's on the way.
    Venom wrote: »
    Terry I agree 100% with every one of those points but honestly If they were acted on do you honestly thing the current bull**** situation would change?
    It wouldn't hurt to try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    You 'need' a TV License regardless of whether it's capable of receiving RTE or not, it's to do with the apparatus, not the broadcasts you watch
    It is to do with being able to receive RTE, this is the problem, they have presumed if you have something capable of viewing broadcasts then it is capable of watching RTE and therefore you are obliged to pay for a subscription you might not use. That legal wording was just to close possible loopholes.

    It is not just some "luxury" tax that just goes to the government

    http://www.rte.ie/about/licence.html
    What is the licence fee used for?
    The greater proportion of RTÉ's activities are public service activities but the cost of providing these services is well in excess of the amount of public funding received in the form of Licence Fee revenue. As a result RTÉ is critically reliant on a Dual Public / Commercial funding model and must engage in ancillary commercial activities aimed at generating commercial revenues to bridge the gap in public funding received.

    The accompanying pie-chart shows the attribution of Licence Fee revenues, received by RTÉ during 2007, to some of the public service activities carried out. The table following separately sets out a representation of how the proportion of each Licence Fee received was utilised during 2007 as RTÉ neither receives, nor is entitled to the benefit of, all of the Licence Fee monies collected.

    99% of household "should" have a licence, many do not, if they are going to force you to buy this service then just include it in normal taxes, why all the admin and court chasing etc involved with the current system.

    I have asked in other threads why don't they introduce a cooker licence. I expect a similar 99% of households have a cooker these days. The government could issue households with recipes and/or food for the bargain €160 per year. If you do not like the recipes/food then STFU, just bin it, let it go to waste, like unwatched TV, someone out there might enjoy the food, nobody is forcing you to eat it, just forcing you to pay for it.

    People are watching these programs, maybe they do not have much choice of channels. If there were allowed spend that €160 on other subscription channels or had the money to buy dvds they might not be watching fair city.
    But it is presumed they do like it. I expect if they forced people to have the cooker licence people might eat food they do not particularly like just to not let it go to waste, and since they already paid for it and cannot afford an alternative.


  • Advertisement
Advertisement