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contract of indefinite duration ?

  • 06-07-2009 01:11PM
    #1
    paddy smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭


    my mate has been working in the same job on contracts for 3 years now,
    hes been on 6 month contracts at a time but has never been let go within the time hes been working there,
    they have now sent him out a contract of indefinite duration in which he has not a clue what it means,

    i myself thinks its the same as a permanent job or something along those lines,
    can anyone on here shed some light on this please,

    cheers.


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  • #2
    trishw78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭trishw78


    to be fair you should probably ask this in the work & jobs forum, but it sounds like he has a permanent job fair play to him.


  • #3
    merlante
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭merlante


    paddy smith wrote: »
    my mate has been working in the same job on contracts for 3 years now,
    hes been on 6 month contracts at a time but has never been let go within the time hes been working there,
    they have now sent him out a contract of indefinite duration in which he has not a clue what it means,

    i myself thinks its the same as a permanent job or something along those lines,
    can anyone on here shed some light on this please,

    cheers.

    The same contract except with no end point, so yeah, a permanent job on the same conditions.


  • #4
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,056 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Not sure where is best, but probably Work & Jobs forum.

    Mods: Feel free to move where appropriate, if this aint it. :)

    Topic Moved


  • #5
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    paddy smith wrote: »
    my mate has been working in the same job on contracts for 3 years now,
    hes been on 6 month contracts at a time but has never been let go within the time hes been working there,
    they have now sent him out a contract of indefinite duration in which he has not a clue what it means,

    i myself thinks its the same as a permanent job or something along those lines,
    can anyone on here shed some light on this please,

    cheers.

    That's a permanent contract. (It's also the terminology used in France, how I know).


  • #6
    leeroybrown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    As has been pointed out above a contract of indefinite duration is effectively what most people and many companies refer to as a 'permanent' job. In reality the only real difference is that should they decide to let your friend go they would have to pay him redundancy rather than just wait out his contract. Outside of the civil service, public service and certain semi-state companies there very few jobs that I'd actually refer to as 'permanent'.


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  • #7
    paddy smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭paddy smith


    leeroybrown wrote: »
    As has been pointed out above a contract of indefinite duration is effectively what most people and many companies refer to as a 'permanent' job. In reality the only real difference is that should they decide to let your friend go they would have to pay him redundancy rather than just wait out his contract. Outside of the civil service, public service and certain semi-state companies there very few jobs that I'd actually refer to as 'permanent'.

    its in the public sector,
    so is there a difference ?


  • #8
    leeroybrown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    paddy smith wrote: »
    its in the public sector,
    so is there a difference ?
    The kind of 'permanent' I was referring to is where someone has a classic civil service style job where they're basically employed until they retire with an extraordinarily low chance of ever being let go. If your friend was in one of those 'permanent' jobs they'd know it. The fact that they're in the public service is likely to make their job quite secure though.


  • #9
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    paddy smith wrote: »
    its in the public sector,
    so is there a difference ?

    Several different areas of the public sector that I am aware of use the term "contract of indefinite duration" as opposed to permanent, it's terminology more than anything else being different.

    It's permanent.


  • #10
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,453 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    And if you've been on fixed-term (ie temporary) contracts that keep on getting renewed more more than a certain time (4 years I think), you are automatically entitled to a "contract of indefinite duration". So your friends company are simply doing what they should. (And fair play to them: lots try to get away without doing it).

    Something to note: if you're on a fixed-term contact, you are NOT required to serve it out before you leave, you are only required to serve the notice period that's named in the contract. In the same way, they don't have to keep you for the entire period: they can also let you go provided they give the notice period in the contract.

    I've seen too many people turn down better jobs because they mistakenly believed that they had to serve out their temp contract. Employers like to encourage this belief, but unless they're paying real contract rates (ie self-employed workers managing their own PAYE and getting decent rates for it), it's just not true.


  • #11
    paddy smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭paddy smith


    cheers folks for the replys,
    with the ressession and all the other shyte with jobs at the moment im sure he will be delighted with his new contract.


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  • #12
    paddy smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭paddy smith


    just found this info about contracts,
    and thanks again for all your help

    http://www.entemp.ie/employment/rights/ ) :

    National Employment Rights Authority
    The National Employment Rights Authority was established on an interim basis as a result of an agreement reached in the Social Partnership Agreement “Towards 2016”.

    NERA’S mission is to achieve a national culture of employments rights compliance through the provision of information, supported by enforcement.

    NERA has three main service areas:

    Information Services
    Lo Call 1890 80 80 90*

    E-mail info@employmentrights.ie

    *Phone lines are open Monday-Friday 9.30am to 5.00pm


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