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Officially Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe in 2009

  • 11-11-2009 09:49PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Palmerstown_guy


    Jasus, what is bleedin' happening to this feckin' country?!

    Sad times for Ireland indeed.


    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

    Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe -- as of 2009.

    The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.


    So far this year, 19 gun murders, all of which were gang related, have occurred in Ireland’s capital city, which has a population of 1.2 million.


    The study, published by Ireland’s Sunday Tribune, reveals that the murder rate is ridiculously high compared to rates in Britain. In Glasgow, Scotland, population 2.3 million, there have been zero gun killings in 2009. Meanwhile, just one murder has occurred in Edinburgh, where one million people reside.
    Shockingly, Dublin has almost twice the amount of gun murders as London, even though the English capital’s population is almost six times higher at 7.7 million. 11 people have been shot dead in London so far this year.
    The Sunday Tribune points out that Britain has more effectively tackled gun and gang issues, with police groups launching a Tackling Gangs Action Program.
    A spokeswoman told the paper: “It has been a huge success. Essentially, it has targeted gang-related firearm offenses. Here at Merseyside police, we've had a separate initiative targeting guns and gangs since 2005. We've seen a 37 percent decrease in gun crime since.”
    Other European cities do not have nearly the amount of gun murders as Dublin has. In Amsterdam, where there are serious gang problems, there have been nine fatal shootings among its similar sized population of 1.3 million.
    In Zurich, Switzerland there have been five murders within its population of the same number. Dublin’s gun murder rate is 100 percent higher than Zurich’s.
    Gardai (Irish police) told the Tribune they are surprised at these figures, but say they expect the gang murder rate to drop now that new legislation allows suspected gang members to be arrested and tried before Ireland’s Special Criminal Court.
    Fine Gael and the Labor Party spokespeople say the figures are “frightening,” and shows that Irish authorities are not dealing effectively with organized crime in the capital.
    "The number of gun murders this year in Dublin is frightening,” said Fine Gael justice spokesperson Charlie Flanagan. “There is no sign that the authorities are getting to grips with Dublin's criminal underworld.”


    The Labor party's justice spokesperson Pat Rabbitte told the Tribune: "Dublin used not to be out of kilter in terms of gun murder rates compared to other European cities. The gangland feuding and the lucrative drugs business has led to this situation.
    “These criminals are ruthless; they would shoot one of their rivals or a member of their own gang at the drop of a hat if they crossed them. Human life counts for nothing with these guys.
    “It's an extremely difficult and demanding job for An Garda Síochána and they need to be properly equipped with resources to deal with these gang members."


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Well that's depressing

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    yes ,we seem to have a very high psychopath to normal person ratio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Go on ya good thing! Try and beat that "Peoples Republic of Cork"!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭john-joe


    I'd blame it on the that COD game!

    Devil at work :pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Limerick??


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Scumbag Capital of Europe FTW


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    criminals shooting other criminals, long may it last, and i wish them all the best in improving their accuracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Palmerstown_guy


    I like to see the Gardai do a lot more so these scumbags are put away and don't get away with all these murders.

    19 murders in our city is taking the biscuit and is not funny anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Fintomiginto


    At least we're the best at something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭AcePuppetMaster


    Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. I'm seriously depressed. :(:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,727 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Well see, when ye spend all your time flogging America for its problems, you grossly overlook your own.

    The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.


    Oh: So Bookmarked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭To The North


    I like to see the Gardai do a lot more so these scumbags are put away and don't get away with all these murders.

    19 murders in our city is taking the biscuit and is not funny anymore.

    but they're killing each other off, that's better than them being put away right?? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. I'm seriously depressed. :(:(

    Why? Its not affecting normal people. Nearly all of those murders(maybe all?) were gang related. Stay out of gangs, its unlikely you'll be shot dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭AcePuppetMaster


    Why? Its not affecting normal people. Nearly all of those murders(maybe all?) were gang related. Stay out of gangs, its unlikely you'll be shot dead.

    Oh but it is. How many innocent people got shot last year? I'll not mention names but everyone knows them. How many families are broken up by crime?

    We as society are all affected by it and what's normal these days anyhow?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Sitec wrote: »
    it's just scum killing scum. im happy about it. in a few years they will all be dead without the Gardai having to get out of their Avensis.

    I wish that this were true but there have been countless innocent victims of the criminal culture in Ireland as a whole. We really need to get some help for the guards on the beat. Might be an argument for allowing them to carry some sort of preventative weaponry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭neil_


    19 murders in our city is taking the biscuit and is not funny anymore.

    At what point was it funny? I think about 12 murders would be worth a giggle


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    perhaps legalise the industry in which most of these gangsters are employed in order to remove both the financial incentive for gang membership and funds for supplies of weapons?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Palmerstown_guy


    Some or most of the business those gangs are providing is cocaine, it's supply and demand for these leeches...

    But 19 dead bodies is 19 dead bodies...

    Maybe if some of our "normal folk" would stop feckin' buying and sniffing cocaine in clubs and bars which is rampant in the city these days...and oh so trendy....these DISGUSTING SCUMBAGS won't have a market for profit!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    We win all of these things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,560 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Thread title needs adjusting. It's gun murders that the statistics refer to.

    I do believe Londoners prefer stabbing each other to death these days...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wonder whether the Sindo will have a 2-page tabloidesque spread on "The Murder Capital of Europe" this Sunday ?

    All I can say is.....well, actually, no I won't, because that'd be lowering myself to the level of the idiots who've been spouting all sorts of rubbish about another Irish city for the past while.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    I wish that this were true but there have been countless innocent victims of the criminal culture in Ireland as a whole. We really need to get some help for the guards on the beat. Might be an argument for allowing them to carry some sort of preventative weaponry.


    What would the argument be? Did the any member of the gardai intervene in a shootings and was unable to stop it due to being un-armed? I barely trust giving the guards batons when we've seen how they can mis-use in incidents like that may day rights giving those lads guns would be a disaster.


    By the way OP, you're article just mentions the highest gun murders, maybe change the title unless we actually do have the highest rate of murders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭AcePuppetMaster


    Some or most of the business those gangs are providing is cocaine, it's supply and demand for these leeches...

    But 19 dead bodies is 19 dead bodies...

    Maybe if some of our "normal folk" would stop feckin' buying and sniffing cocaine in clubs and bars which is rampant in the city these days...and oh so trendy....these DISGUSTING SCUMBAGS won't have a market for profit!

    Right on! Anyone who supplies the scumbag drug dealers with the money is guilty of feeding the problem.:mad:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well see, when ye spend all your time flogging America for its problems, you grossly overlook your own.

    The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.


    Oh: So Bookmarked.

    The gun murder rate is almost as high in one of our cities as it is in some of yours. First off, this doesn't even compare country to country so one country could still be much worse. Secondly pointing and laughing at someone (in this case a country) because they are almost as bad as you at something isn't really the brightest idea now is it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭star.chaser


    humanji wrote: »
    Go on ya good thing! Try and beat that "Peoples Republic of Cork"!

    what a clown. apparently, Dublin also has the highest number of dikkheads per capita ;)

    another way of looking at it is that we have one of the worst police forces.
    presumably, scumbags everywhere are always trying to take each other out. It's just in Ireland that they find it easier to follow through. Although their hasn't been many killings recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,197 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Overheal wrote: »
    Well see, when ye spend all your time flogging America for its problems, you grossly overlook your own.

    The rate is almost as high as some cities in the U.S. like Washington D.C.


    Oh: So Bookmarked.

    Gang related = gang members getting shot.. so it's not all bad

    when we start to see massacres and school shootings we'll be comparable


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    What would the argument be? Did the any member of the gardai intervene in a shootings and was unable to stop it due to being un-armed? I barely trust giving the guards batons when we've seen how they can mis-use in incidents like that may day rights giving those lads guns would be a disaster.


    By the way OP, you're article just mentions the highest gun murders, maybe change the title unless we actually do have the highest rate of murders.
    I never said guns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭InKonspikuou2


    The murder rate by gun in Dublin is 19. It's 91 in Washington DC. Does dyslexia apply to numbers too? Cause your man's got it backwards. 19 ain't no where near 91.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭wudangclan


    The murder rate by gun in Dublin is 19. It's 91 in Washington DC. Does dyslexia apply to numbers too? Cause your man's got it backwards. 19 ain't no where near 91.

    per head of population


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 107 ✭✭Palmerstown_guy


    You also have to ask, how the bleedin' hell the drugs get into the country in the first place?

    Ireland must be the easiest country to smuggle drugs into.

    How are they doing it? ....back to the incompetency of our Garda.


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