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Pile ups on the link, how many are we at now

  • 01-12-2009 09:56PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭


    I heard today that there was yet another pile up on the n25 coming out of the tunnel. Is it just me or does this happen every fortnight ? When will these people learn that flying along 2 inches behind somebody in the fast line while on the phone isnt the brightest of ideas.

    A guy from Germany told me he got stopped once there by the police and banned for driving for a few months for constantly tailgating a vehicle. I think we need this in Ireland.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,385 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    seclachi wrote: »
    I heard today that there was yet another pile up on the n25 coming out of the tunnel. Is it just me or does this happen every fortnight ? When will these people learn that flying along 2 inches behind somebody in the fast line while on the phone isnt the brightest of ideas.

    A guy from Germany told me he got stopped once there by the police and banned for driving for a few months for constantly tailgating a vehicle. I think we need this in Ireland.

    Unfortunately because dual carriageways/motorways are relatively new to Ireland, Irish people haven't a clue how to drive on them: like you always see some dude crawling along at 70km/h in the overtaking lane and simply refusing to move over for other drivers forcing others to go around him in the driving lane. Another beaut is those who refuse to move out to allow people to merge at junctions. All these things cause accidents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    I was on that the other day and some old slag in a jeep literally stopped dead in the fast lane because they wanted to switch lanes, rather than just waiting for a gap and doing it while moving, wasn't tailgating but still had to slam on the brakes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Eh that accident your refering to happened on the M8 Southbound just past watergrasshill and the cause was severe black Ice...

    Just to let ye know, so tailgating wasnt the cause


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Unfortunately because dual carriageways/motorways are relatively new to Ireland, Irish people haven't a clue how to drive on them: like you always see some dude crawling along at 70km/h in the overtaking lane and simply refusing to move over for other drivers forcing others to go around him in the driving lane. Another beaut is those who refuse to move out to allow people to merge at junctions. All these things cause accidents.

    True, the standard of driving here is shocking. Rights of way, red lights, lane discipline, braking distances, pedestrian crossings, all seem to be optional here. Don't get me started on the free for all that are roundabouts.

    What really burns my balls is the number of f***wits that drive around with their front foglights on all the time. I even saw a police traffic car doin this last week ffs. If yr car is so sh*t that you think foglights enhance the look, you're just advertising you have a sh*t car and/or yr advertising that yr so shallow/inconsiderate/retarded that this kinda thing matters, maybe cause you have a tiny penis and yr brains in it.

    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped, or the dumbasses who think they have right of way when filtering onto a main road/motorway.

    Its enough to make you weep.

    Rant over ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,736 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Eh that accident your refering to happened on the M8 Southbound just past watergrasshill and the cause was severe black Ice...

    Just to let ye know, so tailgating wasnt the cause

    The cause was bad driving, not "black ice" (which appears to be the only type in ireland).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭murphym7


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Unfortunately because dual carriageways/motorways are relatively new to Ireland, Irish people haven't a clue how to drive on them: like you always see some dude crawling along at 70km/h in the overtaking lane and simply refusing to move over for other drivers forcing others to go around him in the driving lane. Another beaut is those who refuse to move out to allow people to merge at junctions. All these things cause accidents.

    Not sure how right that is, I am in my 30's and pretty much always remeber dual carriage ways - nothing that new to me or most people in Cork. I think 20 odd years should be long enough for any dope to get the hang of dual carriageways.

    I am not even sure if a lot of the dopes on the roads don't know what they are supposed to do, I think most do know the correct way to drive on double/triple lane roads - they just don't. Either lazziness, ignorance are sheer bloddy mindiness. Came accross a cracker this morning driving from the tunnel towards Rochestown - man driving 1997 Fiesta at 50 miles per hour in the overtaking lane refusing to move to the left. Turned out that over 20 cars just undertook him. Amazing to see really. Very dangerous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 lawrenceSummer


    motorway driving / correct use of dual carriadgeways is not part of the driving test, so why expect people to know?

    its the same in dublin with prople crashing into the luas, they dont know the signals for the trams.

    the driving test is to easy in this country, very little driving is required and a huge amount of the drivers on the road have never done a driving test, and then these people have taught their kids to drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy



    its the same in dublin with prople crashing into the luas, they dont know the signals for the trams.

    .

    Those Luas traffic lights are pointed towards the direction of the luas so motor traffic cant see them,

    Im sure the only way the luas can hit a car is if the luas/car runs a red light or if a car stops on a yellow box junction and the luas doesnt see it, both of the above are thought in the theory test.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    I think myself that tractors and other slow-moving vehicles should be prohibited from driving on the N25 South Ring Road at all times, but particularly at peak times. They are unquestionably a hazard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭murphym7


    Furet wrote: »
    I think myself that tractors and other slow-moving vehicles should be prohibited from driving on the N25 South Ring Road at all times, but particularly at peak times. They are unquestionably a hazard.

    Could not aggree more, I can't count the amount of times I have seen near crashes because of Tractors on the link, specifically on the Cork to Carrigtwohill road - which is a 120kph road!!

    A lot of these Tractors are builder contracters too, moving plant machinery around - this IMO should be stopped at least.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭BArra


    Max001 wrote: »
    True, the standard of driving here is shocking. Rights of way, red lights, lane discipline, braking distances, pedestrian crossings, all seem to be optional here. Don't get me started on the free for all that are roundabouts.

    What really burns my balls is the number of f***wits that drive around with their front foglights on all the time. I even saw a police traffic car doin this last week ffs. If yr car is so sh*t that you think foglights enhance the look, you're just advertising you have a sh*t car and/or yr advertising that yr so shallow/inconsiderate/retarded that this kinda thing matters, maybe cause you have a tiny penis and yr brains in it.

    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped, or the dumbasses who think they have right of way when filtering onto a main road/motorway.

    Its enough to make you weep.

    Rant over ;)


    maybe they have automatic lights fella? ever think of that?

    if its a dim morning, they will come on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    BArra wrote: »
    maybe they have automatic lights fella? ever think of that?

    if its a dim morning, they will come on

    Automatic foglights???? Which car maker fits those?
    If they were automatic, wouldn't they 'automatically'
    switch off again? Ever think of that?
    Either way, doesn't excuse drivers from not having the
    correct lights on, for the conditions. In fact, its illegal.
    (see Road Traffic Act)

    Its thoughtless, lazy and unsafe.....oh hang on a mo,
    that sums up driving here! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭seclachi


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Eh that accident your refering to happened on the M8 Southbound just past watergrasshill and the cause was severe black Ice...

    Just to let ye know, so tailgating wasnt the cause

    If it was as described to me, a 7 car pile up, then it was still tail gating, your supposed to adjust your distance between you and the car infront according to your speed AND weather conditions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    Max001 wrote: »
    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped

    What if they are driving an auto transmission car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭BArra


    Max001 wrote: »
    Automatic foglights???? Which car maker fits those?
    If they were automatic, wouldn't they 'automatically'
    switch off again? Ever think of that?
    Either way, doesn't excuse drivers from not having the
    correct lights on, for the conditions. In fact, its illegal.
    (see Road Traffic Act)

    Its thoughtless, lazy and unsafe.....oh hang on a mo,
    that sums up driving here! :D

    yes when it brightens up, or the mist or fog lifts they would

    please use your noggin here, or else start looking to upgrade your 1995 fiesta for something more modern

    your rant is fair enough but spouting a load of incoherent ramblings about small penis's et al is nausiating, you sound like a right loony :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭Seloth


    Everyday I hear groups of sirens going through the city in the morings and it just highlights to me the amount of accidents that must happen...tis quite scary

    ((I go to school ontop patricks hill incase your wondering))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    BArra wrote: »
    yes when it brightens up, or the mist or fog lifts they would

    please use your noggin here, or else start looking to upgrade your 1995 fiesta for something more modern

    your rant is fair enough but spouting a load of incoherent ramblings about small penis's et al is nausiating, you sound like a right loony :eek:

    I drive a 2008 Jeep Grand Cherokee AND I can spell! (nauseating) There's absolutely no call for that sort of personal abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    cork45 wrote: »
    What if they are driving an auto transmission car?

    My Jeep is an auto. Whats your point? If driving an auto in this country necessitates you to sit on your brakes when stopped, then either 90% of drivers may be driving autos or 90% may be lazy and ill mannered drivers....mmmmm....I wonder which? :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    Max001 wrote: »
    My Jeep is an auto. Whats your point? If driving an auto in this country necessitates you to sit on your brakes when stopped, then either 90% of drivers may be driving autos or 90% may be lazy and ill mannered drivers....mmmmm....I wonder which? :cool:

    When you pull up to the lights do you not put your foot on the brakes and keep it there until the lights change?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    cork45 wrote: »
    When you pull up to the lights do you not put your foot on the brakes and keep it there until the lights change?

    Fair point.....answer is no. I read somewhere keeping an auto in drive often when stationary isn't good for the gearbox or other components. May or may not be true, but given the price of Jeep parts, I ain't risking it :)

    With an auto, its no more difficult to put it in neutral and put the handbrake on, which I do on a slope if theres a vehicle behind me. On a flat surface, I just sit in neutral.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    Max001 wrote: »
    Fair point.....answer is no. I read somewhere keeping an auto in drive often when stationary isn't good for the gearbox or other components. May or may not be true, but given the price of Jeep parts, I ain't risking it :)

    With an auto, its no more difficult to put it in neutral and put the handbrake on, which I do on a slope if theres a vehicle behind me. On a flat surface, I just sit in neutral.

    I think your right about keeping it in drive when stationary but I believe your supposed to put it in to park instead of neutral with the handbrake on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Firstly you use these words...
    What really burns my balls is the number of f***wits that drive around with their front foglights on all the time. I even saw a police traffic car doin this last week ffs. If yr car is so sh*t that you think foglights enhance the look, you're just advertising you have a sh*t car and/or yr advertising that yr so shallow/inconsiderate/retarded that this kinda thing matters, maybe cause you have a tiny penis and yr brains in it.

    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped, or the dumbasses who think they have right of way when filtering onto a main road/motorway.

    And then you get offended when someone suggests you may have a 1995 fiesta and calls you a "right loony".
    Max001 wrote: »
    IThere's absolutely no call for that sort of personal abuse.

    You need to rethink your rants a little more me thinks. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Firstly you use these words...

    And then you get offended when someone suggests you may have a 1995 fiesta and calls you a "right loony".

    You need to rethink your rants a little more me thinks. :rolleyes:

    Please check your facts before judging others. The comment from the person you referred to was 'fair enough' on the substantive points I made and that person then went on to make derogatory personal remarks directed at me, based only on his/her own unfounded assumptions. Did I use the word 'offended'? I did not. I merely said there was no justification for personal abuse, which there isn't. Nor is there any justification for misquoting another.
    Sure I used vivid imagery and I make no apologies, because despite driving a large 4x4 with lights on, inevitably most days I drive around Cork, I'm either subject to dangerous driving or a near miss or witness same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Please check your facts before judging others

    Where in my post above do you perceive me judging you? However from your choice of language its quite evident what type of person you are.
    Max001 wrote: »
    Sure I used vivid imagery and I make no apologies

    Dont think the words f*cktards, F*ckwits can be classed as vivid imagery.

    I always use my brakes when im stopped at traffic lights, its not against the law to do so and i passed my driving test doing it. So you generalising people who do this by calling them F*cktards is abuse to all who drive in such a manor and IMO is a bit childish.

    Using such derogatory comments to describe peoples bad driving is not winning you any friends on this forum and tbh your choice of words to describe bad drivers only reflects your limited vocabulary. Your clearly intending to cause offense. Why use such words?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,579 ✭✭✭Webmonkey


    Max001 wrote: »
    True, the standard of driving here is shocking. Rights of way, red lights, lane discipline, braking distances, pedestrian crossings, all seem to be optional here. Don't get me started on the free for all that are roundabouts.

    What really burns my balls is the number of f***wits that drive around with their front foglights on all the time. I even saw a police traffic car doin this last week ffs. If yr car is so sh*t that you think foglights enhance the look, you're just advertising you have a sh*t car and/or yr advertising that yr so shallow/inconsiderate/retarded that this kinda thing matters, maybe cause you have a tiny penis and yr brains in it.

    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped, or the dumbasses who think they have right of way when filtering onto a main road/motorway.

    Its enough to make you weep.

    Rant over ;)
    What burns my balls is the kind of people like you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    Actions speak louder than words. Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't make it right. Plainly you think its okay, an exercise in fabulous driving skills even, to give eye strain to drivers behind you at traffic lights. Your arrogance, lack of basic courtesy and disregard for other drivers around you is compounded by your obvious pride in these objectionable traits. I see that my choice of words hurt you, for they were not directed at you, unless you drive as I described and if you do, then how much more damaging are your actions, than my mere words. You bore me now - the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    Webmonkey wrote: »
    What burns my balls is the kind of people like you

    :rolleyes: This is my 'interested' face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,579 ✭✭✭Webmonkey


    Max001 wrote: »
    Actions speak louder than words. Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't make it right. Plainly you think its okay, an exercise in fabulous driving skills even, to give eye strain to drivers behind you at traffic lights. Your arrogance, lack of basic courtesy and disregard for other drivers around you is compounded by your obvious pride in these objectionable traits. I see that my choice of words hurt you, for they were not directed at you, unless you drive as I described and if you do, then how much more damaging are your actions, than my mere words. You bore me now - the end.
    Are you for real. Eye strain to the drivers behind you? - my god brake lights are bright but not that bright plus a lot of the time the driver behind you is so far up your **** that they cannot see the lights.

    I myself don't keep my leg on the brake pedal and utilize the handbrake but I don't have a hatred of other drivers that do.

    And I'll add I am ultra considerate towards other drivers and do my best not to do anything that impairs their driving or makes it uncomfortable in anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Max001 wrote: »
    Actions speak louder than words. Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't make it right. Plainly you think its okay, an exercise in fabulous driving skills even, to give eye strain to drivers behind you at traffic lights. Your arrogance, lack of basic courtesy and disregard for other drivers around you is compounded by your obvious pride in these objectionable traits. I see that my choice of words hurt you, for they were not directed at you, unless you drive as I described and if you do, then how much more damaging are your actions, than my mere words. You bore me now - the end.

    And just because something is not illegal does not make it wrong and give you the excuse to call the f-tards and whatnot.the fact that the majority of drivers out their use their brakes when stopped would suggest to me that its acceptable to do so.
    If brake lights are straining your eyes god forbid what oncoming traffic with their dips are doing to you... , if so many people found themselves dazzled by break lights then im sure they would stop, and to be honest Max001 you are the only person iv ever come across with this problem so frankly i think it is you you needs to change and accept the fact.

    I also think your argument is laughable, your a person driving a 4x4 giving out about how others dazzle you, have you ever driven an actual car and had a 4x4 behind you at traffic lights, if your so concerned about your "courtesy" to other drivers then i suggest you turn your headlights off while stopped. Its very dazzling to others.
    I however can get over it because while im stopped im not concentrated on anything but the traffic light, when i get moving again thats when the concentration begins and usually the brake lights have come off but the stupid 4x4 behind me still has their lights on...

    Buddy i honestly think you need to calm down, people do sh|t things while driving, we have to live with it, i consider myself a very courteous driver but i think your getting stressed out about something too miniscule. Why do you car so much about being "dazzled" when you are stopped.

    I have one word for you...

    RELAX


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35 lawrenceSummer


    murphym7 wrote: »
    Could not aggree more, I can't count the amount of times I have seen near crashes because of Tractors on the link, specifically on the Cork to Carrigtwohill road - which is a 120kph road!!

    A lot of these Tractors are builder contracters too, moving plant machinery around - this IMO should be stopped at least.



    so because these vehicles are not going fast enough for your liking they should be put out of work......

    they are not the problem on the roads, its the people who do not know how to drive properly around them

    people who cant change lanes properly, people staying in the outside lane, and then the bigger idiots who undertake
    people who dont allow cars change lanes or merge at junctions.

    you cant expect a tractor to do 120km, and you cant expect them not to use the roads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    so because these vehicles are not going fast enough for your liking they should be put out of work......

    they are not the problem on the roads, its the people who do not know how to drive properly around them

    people who cant change lanes properly, people staying in the outside lane, and then the bigger idiots who undertake
    people who dont allow cars change lanes or merge at junctions.

    you cant expect a tractor to do 120km, and you cant expect them not to use the roads.

    1. There are plenty of other routes for the tractor to take.
    2. They are the problem on the road at peak times, when traffic is flowing smoothly all cars must slow down to pass the tractor because they cannot just change lane due to congestion
    3.As said above the reason people are in the fast lane in the first place is due to congestion and they are perfectly within the law to be there.
    4.Your dam right you cant expect a tractor to do 120kmh and to not use the roads but there are plenty of other routes a tractor can take to avoid the South ring. For heavans sake its in the middle of the city i can think of a thousand different routes to take to avoid it. the N25 South Ring should be given motorway status (i know its impossible due to the douglas flyover not having aservice lane etc). Having tractors on this road will end up ina serious crash someday. Its illegal to go too slow on Irish motorways. It should be the same for the south link IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    Hogzy wrote: »
    1. There are plenty of other routes for the tractor to take.
    2. They are the problem on the road at peak times, when traffic is flowing smoothly all cars must slow down to pass the tractor because they cannot just change lane due to congestion
    3.As said above the reason people are in the fast lane in the first place is due to congestion and they are perfectly within the law to be there.
    4.Your dam right you cant expect a tractor to do 120kmh and to not use the roads but there are plenty of other routes a tractor can take to avoid the South ring. For heavans sake its in the middle of the city i can think of a thousand different routes to take to avoid it. the N25 South Ring should be given motorway status (i know its impossible due to the douglas flyover not having aservice lane etc). Having tractors on this road will end up ina serious crash someday. Its illegal to go too slow on Irish motorways. It should be the same for the south link IMO.

    1. There are plenty of other routes for the tractor to take.
    Have you ever driven a tractor towing a trailer - seriously now, that's not sarcasm. If you have you'd know just how hard it has and shouldn't be posting comments like that. Take an example of getting from the Waterford(Midleton) road to The Kinsale Road roundabout - where is the tractor going to go?
    - into the city, along the quays, past Carey's tool hire and out the Link road, - same roads, just going a longer route
    - along the quays, past Carey's tool hire and past the side of the Anglesea street Garda station then out up Infirmary Road then Capwell.
    For heavans sake its in the middle of the city i can think of a thousand different routes to take to avoid it.
    Really? HTF are you going to get a tractor from anywhere around the city centre out to the ring road with out using the Link - Up barrack street? Up past Finbarrs Cathedral, out past the Lough and on through the estates to get across the ring road. None of those roads are viable for a wide machine. Possibly Western Road to Wilton would do but the tractor is heading East it's not much use is it??? There are no "alternative" routes for a tractor and trailer to take in Cork they have to use the widest streets and roads possible. You complain of congestion yet you want to send tractors loaded with plant machinery along narrow roads. Those areas would be tied up for hours more than they are now. If we had a culture of being able to drive properly, not just legally, in this country there would be no problem overtaking slow moving vehicles. People would start indicating to overtake the tractor 1/2 mile or more back (instead of driving right up to the tailgate and then trying to swerve out) and the people in the outside lane would see the tractor and understand what's happening and let them out. Instead they speed up to force the person in the LH lane to stay in there.


    3.As said above the reason people are in the fast lane in the first place is due to congestion and they are perfectly within the law to be there.
    No, they're not entitled to be there, you can only be in the RH lane on Irish roads if;
    1. Your overtaking - than you must move back into the LH lane
    2. Your coming up to a roundabout and need to get into the correct lane (eg any roundabout on the Ring Road around Cork)
    3. Your coming up to a junction and want to turn right - eg when the bus turns right on the South Link going to the Park&Ride.

    There may be other reasons for being in the RH lane on a 2 lane road in Ireland but congestion isn't one of them. I


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭Hogzy


    Shouldnt you be using a truck for the job your doing so, Tractors shouldnt be on Motorways and fast moving dual carriage ways, Unfortunatly it is only illegal for tractors to be on Motorways. TBH there isnt much difference between the M50 and the south Ring and tractors are exempt from the M50 for good reason, They are a danger and cause traffic delays


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Max001 wrote: »
    True, the standard of driving here is shocking. Rights of way, red lights, lane discipline, braking distances, pedestrian crossings, all seem to be optional here. Don't get me started on the free for all that are roundabouts.

    What really burns my balls is the number of f***wits that drive around with their front foglights on all the time. I even saw a police traffic car doin this last week ffs. If yr car is so sh*t that you think foglights enhance the look, you're just advertising you have a sh*t car and/or yr advertising that yr so shallow/inconsiderate/retarded that this kinda thing matters, maybe cause you have a tiny penis and yr brains in it.

    Almost as bad are the f***tards who sit on their brake lights when stopped, or ...

    Its enough to make you weep.

    Rant over ;)

    I'd agree with you on the fog-lights, but it's impossible not to use your footbrake at traffic lights if you're driving an automatic car and there are a lot more of them around than you'd think, particularly with the growing popularity of the Toyota Prius etc.

    On another note, I had a flat tyre a few weeks ago and was stuck on the side of the M8 just on the way into the Dunkettle roundabout.

    We were pulled over safely, hazards on, Warning Triangle etc but we had no choice except to call out the AA as the nuts would not come off the wheel even when jumping up and down on the wheel brace (the usual user-friendly over-tightened by machine thing).

    Anyway, while we were stopped there was a minor accident in the fast lane, nobody was injured but someone lost control and was stuck on the dividing barrier.

    The Gardai were on the scene really quickly, like within about 3 mins of the accident happening but, I was really horrified at a few things.

    1) The Gardai didn't have the equipment to properly close the fast lane i.e. it needed a few signs put ahead of it for about 1km warning that the lane was closed and then cones. Instead it was just a few of those flashing blue lights they drop on the road.

    In my view, that put the Gardai's lives at risk and they really should have the necessary equipment and training to properly close a lane in a situation like that.

    2) People were driving WAY WAY WAY too close to each other there were at least 50 near misses as people ploughed into the closed lane at at least 150km/h and the person behind them was ridiculously close.

    I was amazed that there wasn't a pile up.

    They have to start enforcing rules on tail gating, they are enforced elsewhere. in fact, in parts of France there are cameras on the motorways which register your number plate if you drive too close.

    It should carry 3 penalty points if you're caught tail gating. It's more dangerous than speeding on a motorway.

    Likewise, driving in the over taking lane should carry penalty points e.g. perhaps 1 or 2 points.

    and the Garda Traffic Corps, for the sake of safety on the road and for the sake of their own safety need to be properly equipped and properly trained to deal with motorway incidents.

    They can't just do this half-assed approach, someone, most-likely a Garda is going to get killed one of these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭thorpe


    This thread has shown me a few things one of them being that there are hell of alot of morans on the road especially here in Cork who have not got a clue of the rules of the road. Its all about me and me alone, two fingures to everyone else on the road.
    As it stands in Cork City the only people who are equipped to fend off a lane or close a dual carriage way are the fire service and even then people are giving out about them closing a lane.
    Get a grip. If you have to at a place by a certain time leave early enough and with enough time to counter any delays on route.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    thorpe wrote: »
    This thread has shown me a few things one of them being that there are hell of alot of morans on the road especially here in Cork who have not got a clue of the rules of the road. Its all about me and me alone, two fingures to everyone else on the road.
    As it stands in Cork City the only people who are equipped to fend off a lane or close a dual carriage way are the fire service and even then people are giving out about them closing a lane.
    Get a grip. If you have to at a place by a certain time leave early enough and with enough time to counter any delays on route.

    Are you drunk? I can't understand your post.
    You're calling other people morans , yet you just wrote that post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭thorpe


    cork45 wrote: »
    Are you drunk? I can't understand your post.
    You're calling other people morans , yet you just wrote that post.

    I did that write that last post and your problem being .............................

    All I am trying to say is there is a lot of very bad drivers on the road and for some reason a large number are here in Cork. I feel safer driving in Dublin than I do here.
    Also, for those who did not understand my first post, the only people who are equipped to fend off or close a carriageway on either the link, the N25 or M8 are either the City or County Fire Services.
    Finally, in case I was misunderstood, which seems likely as I made a mistake or two in spelling and grammar in my first post to this thread, I am human and as a result not perfect plus I was under a bit of time pressure as I had my better half waiting for me, but what I was trying to say is if you leave in time, you get there in time and thus hopefully in one piece but don’t bank on it as there is gobsh**es on the roads who think that every time they get into a car it must be drive at 150kph no matter what type of road it is and everyone not doing that speed should not be there, on the same road or on the same planet.
    If you could not pick that from my first post then I wont post here again and there is a fat chance of that happening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    thorpe wrote: »
    If you could not pick that from my first post then I wont post here again and there is a fat chance of that happening.

    I still don't have a clue....so I guess thats goodbye then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭seclachi


    thorpe wrote: »
    I did that write that last post and your problem being .............................

    All I am trying to say is there is a lot of very bad drivers on the road and for some reason a large number are here in Cork. I feel safer driving in Dublin than I do here.
    Also, for those who did not understand my first post, the only people who are equipped to fend off or close a carriageway on either the link, the N25 or M8 are either the City or County Fire Services.
    Finally, in case I was misunderstood, which seems likely as I made a mistake or two in spelling and grammar in my first post to this thread, I am human and as a result not perfect plus I was under a bit of time pressure as I had my better half waiting for me, but what I was trying to say is if you leave in time, you get there in time and thus hopefully in one piece but don’t bank on it as there is gobsh**es on the roads who think that every time they get into a car it must be drive at 150kph no matter what type of road it is and everyone not doing that speed should not be there, on the same road or on the same planet.
    If you could not pick that from my first post then I wont post here again and there is a fat chance of that happening.

    Dublins ten times worse, its got all the bad driving of Cork, but there aggressive and sit on your hole all the time. That being said, after driving in other countrys people are just as retarded on the roads, if not more so, our main disadvantage is most of the roads are cack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭BArra


    is it my wacky thinking or has this thread drawn in the super confident/arrogant/ eejits who think they know it all and own the roads

    these people seem to me that THEY are more of a hazzard on the roads with their attitudes

    id hate to ever be in front of you and press the brake pedal at mahon point as im in stop start traffic waiting for badly initiated traffic lights, it sounds like you're on the verge of climbing out the window of your car with a big vein bulging on your forehead with a rules of the road handbook in your pocket

    brake lights causing eye strain? are you actually for real? sheldon is that you?

    :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,376 ✭✭✭54kroc


    BArra wrote: »
    id hate to ever be in front of you and press the brake pedal at mahon point as im in stop start traffic waiting for badly initiated traffic lights, it sounds like you're on the verge of climbing out the window of your car with a big vein bulging on your forehead with a rules of the road handbook in your pocket

    brake lights causing eye strain? are you actually for real? sheldon is that you?

    :D

    BArra I think your quite selfish and self involved,the next time you are in stop start traffic you need to get out your emergency brake light suppressing glasses and give them to the driver behind you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭BArra


    haha! :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    Solair wrote: »
    I'd agree with you on the fog-lights, but it's impossible not to use your footbrake at traffic lights if you're driving an automatic car and there are a lot more of them around than you'd think, particularly with the growing popularity of the Toyota Prius etc.

    On another note, I had a flat tyre a few weeks ago and was stuck on the side of the M8 just on the way into the Dunkettle roundabout.

    We were pulled over safely, hazards on, Warning Triangle etc but we had no choice except to call out the AA as the nuts would not come off the wheel even when jumping up and down on the wheel brace (the usual user-friendly over-tightened by machine thing).

    Anyway, while we were stopped there was a minor accident in the fast lane, nobody was injured but someone lost control and was stuck on the dividing barrier.

    The Gardai were on the scene really quickly, like within about 3 mins of the accident happening but, I was really horrified at a few things.

    1) The Gardai didn't have the equipment to properly close the fast lane i.e. it needed a few signs put ahead of it for about 1km warning that the lane was closed and then cones. Instead it was just a few of those flashing blue lights they drop on the road.

    In my view, that put the Gardai's lives at risk and they really should have the necessary equipment and training to properly close a lane in a situation like that.

    2) People were driving WAY WAY WAY too close to each other there were at least 50 near misses as people ploughed into the closed lane at at least 150km/h and the person behind them was ridiculously close.

    I was amazed that there wasn't a pile up.

    They have to start enforcing rules on tail gating, they are enforced elsewhere. in fact, in parts of France there are cameras on the motorways which register your number plate if you drive too close.

    It should carry 3 penalty points if you're caught tail gating. It's more dangerous than speeding on a motorway.

    Likewise, driving in the over taking lane should carry penalty points e.g. perhaps 1 or 2 points.

    and the Garda Traffic Corps, for the sake of safety on the road and for the sake of their own safety need to be properly equipped and properly trained to deal with motorway incidents.

    They can't just do this half-assed approach, someone, most-likely a Garda is going to get killed one of these days.

    Completely agree with you. A few weeks back Gards pulled over a transit on the on-ramp of the south link at the magic roundabout headin for the tunnel, when only 100 yds ahead there is a hard shoulder. Caused a long tail back ONTO the roundabout, rubber neckers driving at walking pace on the on-ramp and lotsa confused and hazardous driving cause one lane was blocked. Bout a week/ten days ago (maybe more) I wasn't surprised when I heard someone had hit a stationary garda car that had pulled over a vehicle on a main road.

    Yr right about tail gating....happened to me only last night on the airport road. Concerns me too cause even though I drive a 4x4, because its a 4x4 with ABS etc it'll probably out break most other vehicles.

    Long time ago I heard a head of a traffic branch overseas interviewed about every day driving and his advice was and how he drove off duty was 'assuming other drivers are homicidal and bent on killing you'. Graphic perhaps, but no one will persuade me he wasn't right and defensive/progressive driving is the best way to drive, esp in this country.

    Whats wrong with having a harmless rant on somewhere like boards? :confused:
    We're lucky we live in a country where free speech is allowed.

    On the subject of break lights when stopped......seems to me the intensity of break lights is not dissimilar to fog lights, yet few drivers seem to think driving with rear fogs on at all times is thoughtful of others, nor are they treated as a fashion accessory.

    Disagree with you on using 'park' at red lights. Takes about a second to slip it into park and the same into drive, when the light turns green. Honestly don't see the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭thorpe


    cork45 wrote: »
    I still don't have a clue....so I guess thats goodbye then.

    You can't get rid of me that easily.
    On a serious note though, I was driving back on the link this morning and noticed a lot of water seems to be pooling on the road and not draining to the sides. Any one else notice this??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Max001 wrote: »

    Disagree with you on using 'park' at red lights. Takes about a second to slip it into park and the same into drive, when the light turns green. Honestly don't see the problem.

    It's actually not practical to do that in certain cars, if you put the Prius into Park for example, it won't come out of Park again unless you press the foot brake and change into drive. If you wait for more the a few moments in park it also sets off an alarm to alert you that the foot-operated hand-brake is not engaged and that the keys are still in the ignition!

    Incidentally, it's actually illegal to put your car in park at traffic lights in most of the USA. You are required to show your brake lights when stopped at an obstruction (including a stop sign or traffic signals). Technically speaking, you should keep your foot brake depressed even with the handbrake on in a manual car there too!

    I discovered this the hard-way by getting a ticket in NY.
    Was taken out of the car, license demanded, guns waved at me etc etc..

    The cop's attitude was 'what if a car went into the back of you?!' 'you weren't showing your brake lights to alert on-coming traffic that you were stopped. If you are broken down, you apply your 'blinkers' (hazard warners)'

    Such a warm and welcoming country !!

    I would be *FAR* more concerned about a car not knowing that I was stopped/stopping because the rear fogs were outshining the brake lights.

    Cars should by default, disable fog-lights each time they're started. I think many drivers, particularly in older cars that had switches rather than electronics just don't realise they're on at all.

    Then again, some drivers don't even realise that they're driving from what I can see!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Max001


    Solair wrote: »
    It's actually not practical to do that in certain cars, if you put the Prius into Park for example, it won't come out of Park again unless you press the foot brake and change into drive. If you wait for more the a few moments in park it also sets off an alarm to alert you that the foot-operated hand-brake is not engaged and that the keys are still in the ignition!

    Incidentally, it's actually illegal to put your car in park at traffic lights in most of the USA. You are required to show your brake lights when stopped at an obstruction (including a stop sign or traffic signals). Technically speaking, you should keep your foot brake depressed even with the handbrake on in a manual car there too!

    I discovered this the hard-way by getting a ticket in NY.
    Was taken out of the car, license demanded, guns waved at me etc etc..

    The cop's attitude was 'what if a car went into the back of you?!' 'you weren't showing your brake lights to alert on-coming traffic that you were stopped. If you are broken down, you apply your 'blinkers' (hazard warners)'

    Such a warm and welcoming country !!

    I would be *FAR* more concerned about a car not knowing that I was stopped/stopping because the rear fogs were outshining the brake lights.

    Cars should by default, disable fog-lights each time they're started. I think many drivers, particularly in older cars that had switches rather than electronics just don't realise they're on at all.

    Then again, some drivers don't even realise that they're driving from what I can see!

    Lord! Never knew that about driving in the U.S and I used to live there!

    Yeh, get your point about having to depress the footbrake to switch from Park. Every auto I've driven going back 25 yrs has that feature and so has my Jeep, but to my mind, depressing the brake pedal, instead of a clutch pedal to select Drive, takes only fractionally longer than staying in Neutral or Drive with yr foot on the brake. Personally I'd choose not to dazzle the driver behind me, but maybe I'm too soft :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭seclachi


    Drains are probably blocked, theres been another flood warning issued for this weekend.:(
    It's actually not practical to do that in certain cars, if you put the Prius into Park for example, it won't come out of Park again unless you press the foot brake and change into drive. If you wait for more the a few moments in park it also sets off an alarm to alert you that the foot-operated hand-brake is not engaged and that the keys are still in the ignition!

    Incidentally, it's actually illegal to put your car in park at traffic lights in most of the USA. You are required to show your brake lights when stopped at an obstruction (including a stop sign or traffic signals). Technically speaking, you should keep your foot brake depressed even with the handbrake on in a manual car there too!

    I discovered this the hard-way by getting a ticket in NY.
    Was taken out of the car, license demanded, guns waved at me etc etc..

    The cop's attitude was 'what if a car went into the back of you?!' 'you weren't showing your brake lights to alert on-coming traffic that you were stopped. If you are broken down, you apply your 'blinkers' (hazard warners)'

    Such a warm and welcoming country !!

    I would be *FAR* more concerned about a car not knowing that I was stopped/stopping because the rear fogs were outshining the brake lights.

    Cars should by default, disable fog-lights each time they're started. I think many drivers, particularly in older cars that had switches rather than electronics just don't realise they're on at all.

    Then again, some drivers don't even realise that they're driving from what I can see!

    When you think about it, its correct too, in poor conditions it can be hard to determine if something is moving sometimes, thats what brake lights are for as well as indicating your slowing down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    Actually, a friend of mine had a car go into the back of her at speed in Limerick a few years ago. She had the handbrake on fairly loosely and her car jolted forward and into the car ahead of her.

    The woman in the car ahead of her sued her for whiplash as she didn't have the foot brake pressed and won the case!

    So perhaps it applies in Ireland too?!

    Maybe people should just accept that brake-lights are just part of driver signaling.

    I absolutely hate when a driver slows dramatically on the road using their gears, and does not show brake lights. It's quite scary at speed but, can be even more annoying at slow speeds when you're driving quite close in traffic as you don't really notice that the car's just slowed to a near stop.

    I've also had a few cases in Ireland of idiots beeping at me because I touched the brakes in an automatic! There is NO OTHER WAY of slowing.

    Fog light abusers however, ought to be pulled over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    Hogzy wrote: »
    Shouldnt you be using a truck for the job your doing so, Tractors shouldnt be on Motorways and fast moving dual carriage ways, Unfortunatly it is only illegal for tractors to be on Motorways. TBH there isnt much difference between the M50 and the south Ring and tractors are exempt from the M50 for good reason, They are a danger and cause traffic delays

    Shouldnt you be using a truck for the job your doing so,
    Take earth removal - Have you ever seen a truck trying to pull itself out of 6 inches of mud and soft soil - it's not designed to do that so why would you use it? It'll only get stuck - usually as it's just coming out of the site (murphy's law) and then it'll really block off the roads and cause congestion. There are some timesyou can use trucks - eg to move a metal tracked excavator over a very long distance but again if that excavator is in at the back of a wet, muddy site the tractor & trailer has to be used to get it out to the road.


    TBH there isnt much difference between the M50 and the south Ring and tractors are exempt from the M50 for good reason
    There is one major difference between the M50 and the ring road - there are proper full sized roads as an alternative to the M50, there isn't any proper alternative to the ring road. So we come right back to your original complaint of "congestion" and "holding traffic up" - you can't take the tractors off the ring road because they have nowhere to go.

    They are a danger and cause traffic delays
    Lad you must be one of these people that can't judge traffic speed and drive right up to the tailgate of the tractor and then suddenly realise you need to slam on the brakes, that's not sarcasm. I simply can't understand why you can't start to prepare to pull out a mile back when you see a tractor/JCB/slow moving vehicle in fast moving traffic and then move back into the lane again after you pass them? Why do people in Ireland find this so hard? I'm not the best driver on boards by a long shot yet I rarely get caught behind a tractor on the link/ring road. Just look ahead on the road rather than just at the car immediately ahead of you???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 510 ✭✭✭seclachi


    Shouldnt you be using a truck for the job your doing so,
    Take earth removal - Have you ever seen a truck trying to pull itself out of 6 inches of mud and soft soil - it's not designed to do that so why would you use it? It'll only get stuck - usually as it's just coming out of the site (murphy's law) and then it'll really block off the roads and cause congestion. There are some timesyou can use trucks - eg to move a metal tracked excavator over a very long distance but again if that excavator is in at the back of a wet, muddy site the tractor & trailer has to be used to get it out to the road.


    TBH there isnt much difference between the M50 and the south Ring and tractors are exempt from the M50 for good reason
    There is one major difference between the M50 and the ring road - there are proper full sized roads as an alternative to the M50, there isn't any proper alternative to the ring road. So we come right back to your original complaint of "congestion" and "holding traffic up" - you can't take the tractors off the ring road because they have nowhere to go.

    They are a danger and cause traffic delays
    Lad you must be one of these people that can't judge traffic speed and drive right up to the tailgate of the tractor and then suddenly realise you need to slam on the brakes, that's not sarcasm. I simply can't understand why you can't start to prepare to pull out a mile back when you see a tractor/JCB/slow moving vehicle in fast moving traffic and then move back into the lane again after you pass them? Why do people in Ireland find this so hard? I'm not the best driver on boards by a long shot yet I rarely get caught behind a tractor on the link/ring road. Just look ahead on the road rather than just at the car immediately ahead of you???

    I agree, tractors arent a huge problem, farmers need to use the road from time to time too, and I doubt they relish the idea of having a trail of angry motorists behind them. Almost every fella I have been behind pulls in after a while to let people off, there almost always decent


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