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ACTA.......is ready to attack your IPOD,

  • 09-12-2009 09:35PM
    #1
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    We have all heard of the contravertial French three "strikes and your gone" law against those that abuse copyright law on the Internet.

    Well here is a FULL BLOWN version of it and it could be coming to a town or airport near you.

    The EU has clubbing together with the US, Canada, Australia and Japan to form a trade pact known as ACTA, the Anti-Counterfeit Trade Agreement.

    Basically they want to stamp out counterfeiting, copyright theft and even sensitive issue of intellectual copyright on the internet.

    The US is pushing for a global version of France's so called "three strikes law" a measure by which people who illegally download music or films receive warnings but ultimately face having their internet cut off and going to jail.

    The Acta talks are taking place in "extreme secrecy",* ‬making it impossible for elected politicians, media or the public to get access to official documents.

    Basically in a nutshell under the ACTA agreement customs officials could nab you for the unauthorised content of your Laptop, Ipod, MP3 Mobile phone. :eek:

    http://euobserver.com/9/29098


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  • #2
    Kintarō Hattori
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Another one of these threads eh. Perhaps France has a way around this but if you have three strikes against you is it not possible to access the net via say mobile broadband.


  • #3
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Kintarō Hattori wrote: »
    Another one of these threads eh. Perhaps France has a way around this but if you have three strikes against you is it not possible to access the net via say mobile broadband.
    It would be very difficult to enforce at the moment with so many free WIFI spots about.

    .


  • #4
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Switch ISP?


  • #5
    TPD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,814 ✭✭✭TPD


    Password protect your hard drives? AFAIK they'd need a court order to get into it then.


  • #6
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    the government is out to get you.
    Everyone, quick! Run to the hills... Noooooooooooooooooooooo


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  • #7
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Switch ISP?
    May not be as easy as that as ID and formalities might have to be produced. Just get someone else in the household to registers under their own name.


  • #8
    Dartz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Dartz


    Just out of curioustiy, how will they tell if the music on my HDD is pirate or not...

    A lot of it I ripped in 2005-2006, and it's been shuttled between multiple drives, devices and operating systems so much that even I forget what came from piratebay and didn't


  • #9
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    In before the lock move to conspiracy. Again.


  • #10
    Fintomiginto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭Fintomiginto


    Rabies wrote: »
    the government is out to get you.
    Everyone, quick! Run to the hills... Noooooooooooooooooooooo


    seen what you did there, very funny


  • #11
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Dartz wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity, how will they tell if the music on my HDD is pirate or not..

    Simple, they can run software through it to search for "signatures" to confirm that they are legit. I believe they have been doing this with Ipods and MP3 players at customs in Canada quite recently.
    Rabies wrote: »
    the government is out to get you.
    Everyone, quick! Run to the hills... Noooooooooooooooooooooo
    Naw, this is too big for the Government, this is the New World Order.:eek:


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  • #12
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Simple, they can run software through it to search for "signatures" to confirm that they are legit. I believe they have been doing this with Ipods and MP3 players at customs in Canada quite recently.

    How though?

    I could easily rip my CDs into mp3 using a freeware tool rather then itunes/window media player.

    and what are canadian customs doing again?


  • #13
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    How though?

    I could easily rip my CDs into mp3 using a freeware tool rather then itunes/window media player.

    and what are canadian customs doing again?
    Technically you are only allowed one ripped copy of an original CD.

    Thread on the Canadian customs checking pirated music.


  • #14
    aidan_walsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    Without even clicking the link, what are the odds that the OP and post title bare any kind of relevance or semblance of a logical leap to the actual content of the link? Or if the link is to a conspiracy website, reality?


  • #15
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    aidan_walsh wrote: »
    Without even clicking the link, what are the odds that the OP and post title bare any kind of relevance or semblance of a logical leap to the actual content of the link? Or if the link is to a conspiracy website, reality?

    Its basically an update on a previous thread that may have implications on this country. I cannot see much of a conspiracy in it.


  • #16
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The Acta talks are taking place in "extreme secrecy",* ‬making it impossible for elected politicians, media or the public to get access to official documents.
    Oh Runnie. Runnie Runnie Runnie...

    You realize if legislation was anywhere remotely near the point of ratification it would be all over the blogosphere?

    Especially seeing as how these Politicians that are supposedly outside of this circle of extreme secrecy would be required to pass any such legislation into law?

    I think you need to chill out and watch some Stargate or something: That will have you thinking all sorts of wild thoughts. Maybe the USAF does operate alien technology under a mountain in Colorado. Hmm.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Congrats OP on yet another crazy thread title.. You're really really good at making anything dramatic.


  • #18
    blubloblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    There's a copy of it on Wikileaks somewhere. It's basically talks where the entertainment industry are saying what they want (more DRM, 3 strikes, blocking websites, border searches) and our elected officials are just asking how how they have to jump.


  • #19
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,718 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Congrats OP on yet another crazy thread title.. You're really really good at making anything dramatic.

    'Boards user attempts to use internet as a killing tool, by murdering individual brain cells of people who read his threads. Millions may die says reputable website and myth destroyers, www.willsomeonepleasethinkofthechildren.com'


  • #20
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    copacetic wrote: »
    www.willsomeonepleasethinkofthechildren.com
    ZOMG!!! The link works!


  • #21
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Dartz wrote: »
    A lot of it I ripped in 2005-2006, and it's been shuttled between multiple drives, devices and operating systems so much that even I forget what came from piratebay and didn't
    I'm pretty sure that technically that can be seen as piracy. You've made an unauthorized copy of the media.


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  • #22
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I'm in Ireland, I don't own an ipod and I disregard all copyright laws.

    I'm awesome.


  • #23
    Jay P
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    People will find a way to get by this. This is the Internet!


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Internet? This Is Sparta!!








    Must download that later actually


  • #25
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    I'm always wary of the remote CDDB look ups.
    When you play music on your PC, some PC programs which play MP3's and CD's will go to a CDDB server on the internet and look up the artists name, genre of song, song titles and maybe even album cover art.

    But then again, it can't tell whether your copy is legit or not, just that you have it.


  • #26
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Simple, they can run software through it to search for "signatures" to confirm that they are legit. I believe they have been doing this with Ipods and MP3 players at customs in Canada quite recently
    Completely and utterly useless. If this widely used it would be so simple and quick to create a program that alters a tiny part of the file randomly so no file has a signature of a know pirate copy.


  • #27
    Nichololas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Nichololas


    Next they'll send SWAT teams to your guitar teacher's house because he taught you "Hey Joe".


  • #28
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1124/breaking50.htm

    EU wont let it happen :p


  • #29
    projectmayhem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    This is unlikely to happen but I'd say eircom have a nice hard on reading this thread. They'll jump all over this for leurs amis...


  • #30
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Just so you know in case any of you are going to Saudi Arabia do not have movies/music on your laptop. As for your ipod forget about it.
    Customs are scanning all electronic items such as laptops/mp3 players/phones etc...
    Anyone found with illegal music/movies etc (they treat it all as illegal regardless) will be fined €120 and deported asap..
    I work in a large multinational company and this came in to us last week that if we're traveling only bring a work laptop with absolutely nothing on it and your work phone.


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  • #31
    Mark200
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    Deleted User wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1124/breaking50.htm

    EU wont let it happen :p

    Yeah that's what I was thinking.

    The EU approved a law which doesn't allow a three strikes and out method.

    So I think this is just more paranoia


  • #32
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Berkut wrote: »
    Just so you know in case any of you are going to Saudi Arabia do not have movies/music on your laptop. As for your ipod forget about it.
    Customs are scanning all electronic items such as laptops/mp3 players/phones etc...
    Anyone found with illegal music/movies etc (they treat it all as illegal regardless) will be fined €120 and deported asap..
    I work in a large multinational company and this came in to us last week that if we're traveling only bring a work laptop with absolutely nothing on it and your work phone.
    You would to treat carrying MP3s like carrying dope across the customs, Get caught with lots you could go down. Scandisk are developing a 120GB Micro SD card due for release in 2011 that could be very easily concealed. :)
    Mark200 wrote: »
    Yeah that's what I was thinking.

    The EU approved a law which doesn't allow a three strikes and out method.

    So I think this is just more paranoia
    Its the US that is pushing for the Three strikes law. These are the same bullies that have also got the EU to submit data retention etc. They also got the weight and pressure of the media corporates which is currently on its knees. I cannot see the EU being able to do too much.


  • #33
    citizen_p
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭citizen_p


    seriously bad me thinks......


  • #34
    phasers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    I love my ipod, I won it last Summer along with a tent and inflatable chair.


  • #35
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    the_syco wrote: »
    ZOMG!!! The link works!

    Redirect to the CIA. WTF.


  • #36
    Mrmoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    I use Truecrypt to encrypt all storage data on my harddrives, laptop or PC. I would like to see them check for any illegal files then.


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  • #37
    blubloblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Proposed_US_ACTA_plurilateral_intellectual_property_trade_agreement_%282007%29


  • #38
    blubloblu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    I use Truecrypt to encrypt all storage data on my harddrives, laptop or PC. I would like to see them check for any illegal files then.

    http://xkcd.com/538/


  • #39
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    I use Truecrypt to encrypt all storage data on my harddrives, laptop or PC. I would like to see them check for any illegal files then.

    They would simply take it off you if they suspected anything. :D


  • #40
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    You would to treat carrying MP3s like carrying dope across the customs, Get caught with lots you could go down. Scandisk are developing a 120GB Micro SD card due for release in 2011 that could be very easily concealed. :)
    Sandisk. And dont you forget it.
    Its the US that is pushing for the Three strikes law. These are the same bullies that have also got the EU to submit data retention etc. They also got the weight and pressure of the media corporates which is currently on its knees. I cannot see the EU being able to do too much.
    Whatever. Until I hear about this from a reliable source I remain wholly unconvinced of any such measure.


  • #41
    Jay P
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Jay P


    blubloblu wrote: »
    http://xkcd.com/538/

    I think these two are also quite relevent :)


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  • #42
    qwertplaywert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭qwertplaywert


    Tbh, as previously mentioned, if this comes into praticise, just use passwords,they will next court orders to get the password etc.


  • #43
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Overheal wrote: »
    Whatever. Until I hear about this from a reliable source I remain wholly unconvinced of any such measure.
    Here :)
    qwertplaywert wrote: »
    Tbh, as previously mentioned, if this comes into practices, just use passwords,they will next court orders to get the password etc.
    I can see them treating an encrypted hdd as a locked suitcase and could see them haveing the power to inspect it even from remote access if they had suspicion there was something on it. The best thing one could do would be to keep stuff on an external USB drive and plug it out when on line.


  • #44
    Cupcake_Crisis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    I think its a bit excessive tbh! And theres always ways around these kinda things, some genius will figure something out


  • #45
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Here :)

    I wasnt talking about the data retention I was talking about ACTA.

    And I dont see a problem with Data retention, seeing as how a National Prosecutor can deny the FBI access requests if they wish.
    I can see them treating an encrypted hdd as a locked suitcase and could see them having the power to inspect it even from remote access if they had suspicion there was something on it. The best thing one could do would be to keep stuff on an external USB drive and plug it out when on line.
    I think not. Searching your private file directory would be a serious breach of the 4th Amendment. And not having this facility has not prevented Police from tracking down child porn offenders: They simply use IP logs and Search Warrants. All very over the table.

    The idea that Customs would search and prosecute your hard drive for DRM free music is absurd. It would be like finding a laptop in someone's luggage and demanding to see a receipt: its just not done.


  • #46
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Overheal wrote: »
    I wasn't talking about the data retention I was talking about ACTA. .
    European Trade Commission.

    Acta faces mounting opposition

    Petition calls for EC to be transparent on Anti Counterfeiting Trade Agreement negotiations

    Questions & Answers on ACTA
    Overheal wrote: »
    Searching your private file directory would be a serious breach of the 4th Amendment. And not having this facility has not prevented Police from tracking down child porn offenders: They simply use IP logs and Search Warrants. All very over the table..
    It looks like they are trying to bring in the same powers with copyright theft as they do with illegal drugs.
    Overheal wrote: »
    The idea that Customs would search and prosecute your hard drive for DRM free music is absurd. It would be like finding a laptop in someone's luggage and demanding to see a receipt: its just not done.
    It would be up to you to keep receipts and have everything in order before you travel.


  • #47
    ricman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭ricman


    BRING cd case with you ,receipts , or just delete all your mp3s from the laptop.
    its like people who are stopped for carrying hash on a plane.
    How stupid are you?
    IF you really need it ,i presume you can buy it in canada anyway.
    IF i was going to canada ,id just put podcasts on the mp3 player.
    i presume they,d prosecute you if you had a large no ,like dozens of drm free files.


  • #48
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    well this is a load of bollocks. ricman, how the hel is it like having hash on a plane???


  • #49
    Hank_Jones
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Hank_Jones


    To be honest the only negative thing about this is that companies will be able to decide what films and music will be available to you.

    Where as with the internet, completely obscure films that most people have never heard of and have no chance of being release on dvd are still available to those who want them.

    There's a rake load of 80's films I love that are never going to get released on dvd as there just isn't enough people pushing for releases.


  • #50
    Prof.Badass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Berkut wrote: »
    Just so you know in case any of you are going to Saudi Arabia do not have movies/music on your laptop. As for your ipod forget about it.
    Customs are scanning all electronic items such as laptops/mp3 players/phones etc...
    Anyone found with illegal music/movies etc (they treat it all as illegal regardless) will be fined €120 and deported asap..
    I work in a large multinational company and this came in to us last week that if we're traveling only bring a work laptop with absolutely nothing on it and your work phone.

    I wonder what would happen if they found porn :eek:!


  • #51
    ricman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭ricman


    WHAT i mean is ,you can just delete all mp3s from, the laptop be4 you get on the plane.
    AS IN whats the point in sum1 carrying a joint to say new york, on a plane.IF sum1 ,wants hash ,im, sure its possible to buy some in new york city.
    WHY risk going thru customs for 5euros, worth of hash, or getting prosecuted.

    THERE,s people who have been arrested for 1euros worth of hash, or sent back to ireland.IF you had copied mp3s,it would be better to delete em before you get on the plane.im not talking about sum1 trying to smuggle hash, just sum1 carrying a tiny amount ,like 1 or 2 rollups
    some arabian countrys arrest people for having tiny amounts of hash,on their cloths,or shoes.


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