Public Servants Against Industrial Action

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 01:57PM #1

Anyone with me on this one?

(yes i admit it, even tho i claimed it was my wife was a PS, its me. Just goes to show how embarassed and almost ashamed I was made to feel for being a PS in the current climate!:o)

But anyway, I am a PS 100% against any further industrial action.

Just let it be lads, let it be.......

BC · 11-12-2009 01:57PM

Yep, me.

ntlbell · 11-12-2009 01:58PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Anyone with me on this one?

(yes i admit it, even tho i claimed it was my wife was a PS, its me. Just goes to show how embarassed and almost ashamed I was made to feel for being a PS in the current climate!:o)

But anyway, I am a PS 100% against any further industrial action.

Just let it be lads, let it be.......

post of the week.

nurse23 · 11-12-2009 01:59PM

totally against further action. wont get anyone anywhere. i never joined union anyway!

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:00PM

nurse23 wrote: »

totally against further action. wont get anyone anywhere. i never joined union anyway!

i am in Impact, voted no last time and am currently in the middle of leaving the union

frman · 11-12-2009 02:01PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Anyone with me on this one?

(yes i admit it, even tho i claimed it was my wife was a PS, its me. Just goes to show how embarassed and almost ashamed I was made to feel for being a PS in the current climate!:o)

But anyway, I am a PS 100% against any further industrial action.

Just let it be lads, let it be.......

Jaysus Liam.

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:03PM

Liam79 wrote: »

i am in Impact, voted no last time and am currently in the middle of leaving the union

Is it how you don't pack enough testosterone to grow a beard, that you are getting out :cool:

JodTT · 11-12-2009 02:04PM

I'm currently waiting to see what the Unions come up with next, but no, should it be strike, I won't be on any picketline. I've had enough, and I have no intention of losing any more of the money I work hard for.

There's a good chance I'll be leaving my Union in January.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:05PM

frman wrote: »

Jaysus Liam.

i know i know........:o

But trust me Frman, i was given much more creedence in here when people thought I was a Private Sector worker. Being a PS worker on boards for the last 2 weeks has been like being a leper.....

But I may as well be honest at this stage. Apologies for the BS.

But I stand by my argument, PS workers should NOT strike again.....its pointless.

We have taken our medicine and now we need to swallow it. Its about the long term good not the short term gain.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:05PM

Rujib1 wrote: »

Is it how you don't pack enough testosterone to grow a beard, that you are getting out :cool:

Had one, shaved it off.
Kept getting cheese stuck in it!!

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:06PM

JodTT wrote: »

I'm currently waiting to see what the Unions come up with next, but no, should it be strike, I won't be on any picketline. I've had enough, and I have no intention of losing any more of the money I work hard for.

There's a good chance I'll be leaving my Union in January.

Why wait till January? Give yourself a well deserved christmas pressie, and get out now.

danman · 11-12-2009 02:06PM

Jaysus Liam, did someone hack into your Boards account and post a new thread in your name?????

Good man yourself for your honesty. My wife lost 4,000euro in the budget, she says she has no intention of striking. She also understands the countries situation.

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:07PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Had one, shaved it off.
Kept getting cheese stuck in it!!

Had one myself, but kept getting hit on by other beards, calling me comrade :eek:

nurse23 · 11-12-2009 02:09PM

Liam79 wrote: »

i am in Impact, voted no last time and am currently in the middle of leaving the union

your better off savin the few quid union fees:). where i work impact, pna and ino the main unions and most people i know are very disgruntled with them and want no more strikes, we want to continue to work. understand how ya feel about feeling ashamed to be in the public service around here, some of the hostility is scary!! but ya shouldn't feel that way, at the end of the day its just a job. yes we are grateful for pensions, security etc. but we personally didn't come up with these, it was the powers that be and we shouldn't be personally apologetic. i became a nurse cos i wanted to be a nurse and not because i wanted to be a public sector worker!! it just so happens that most jobs are state jobs!! couldnt give a toss about pensions either, im 23 i might not live till 66!! but i guess as a nurse i'd have no problem gettin a job in private sector or abroad so if i get a good offer else where ill jack the current job and save the state a few more thousand:D.

Padraig Mor · 11-12-2009 02:09PM

Count me in. Although I may be about to join a union - for reasons completely unrelated to pay.

Stark · 11-12-2009 02:13PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Anyone with me on this one?

(yes i admit it, even tho i claimed it was my wife was a PS, its me. Just goes to show how embarassed and almost ashamed I was made to feel for being a PS in the current climate!:o)

But anyway, I am a PS 100% against any further industrial action.

Just let it be lads, let it be.......

Are you still a library assistant? With the whole librarian chic thing going on? With glasses? Glasses on a chain? Hawt.

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:14PM

nurse23 wrote: »

your better off savin the few quid union fees:). where i work impact, pna and ino the main unions and most people i know are very disgruntled with them and want no more strikes, we want to continue to work. understand how ya feel about feeling ashamed to be in the public service around here, some of the hostility is scary!! but ya shouldn't feel that way, at the end of the day its just a job. yes we are grateful for pensions, security etc. but we personally didn't come up with these, it was the powers that be and we shouldn't be personally apologetic. i became a nurse cos i wanted to be a nurse and not because i wanted to be a public sector worker!! it just so happens that most jobs are state jobs!! couldnt give a toss about pensions either, im 23 i might not live till 66!! but i guess as a nurse i'd have no problem gettin a job in private sector or abroad so if i get a good offer else where ill jack the current job and save the state a few more thousand:D.

Hey Nurse, what have ye done with our favourite non bearded, beard. The one and only "back off and shut up Liam Doran"?
I don't know about you, but I have missed him all this week on TV. I find one minute of him on the nine o'clock news, is better than two full episodes of Fawlty Towers, in terms of a right good ole laugh!!!!

Wood · 11-12-2009 02:15PM

Not in a union, don't think they do anybody anygood, apart from being jobs for the boys they do sweet FA

I worked the first time they went on strike, took annual leave the second.

Sick of it at this stage. Let's just get on with it, we're all broke, all we can do now is get used to it.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:16PM

Rujib1 wrote: »

Hey Nurse, what have ye done with our favourite non bearded, beard. The one and only "back off and shut up Liam Doran"?
I don't know about you, but I have missed him all this week on TV. I find one minute of him on the nine o'clock news, is better than two full episodes of Fawlty Towers, in terms of a right good ole laugh!!!!

Me thinks its no coincidence that he fairly disappeared into the backround after the "shut up" comment!!!

I'd say Begg and Jack tied him up in a small room and forced some Sleepy Sleepy Snoozey Snooze into him!

dilligaf73 · 11-12-2009 02:17PM

nurse23 wrote: »

your better off savin the few quid union fees:). where i work impact, pna and ino the main unions and most people i know are very disgruntled with them and want no more strikes, we want to continue to work. understand how ya feel about feeling ashamed to be in the public service around here, some of the hostility is scary!! but ya shouldn't feel that way, at the end of the day its just a job. yes we are grateful for pensions, security etc. but we personally didn't come up with these, it was the powers that be and we shouldn't be personally apologetic. i became a nurse cos i wanted to be a nurse and not because i wanted to be a public sector worker!! it just so happens that most jobs are state jobs!! couldnt give a toss about pensions either, im 23 i might not live till 66!! but i guess as a nurse i'd have no problem gettin a job in private sector or abroad so if i get a good offer else where ill jack the current job and save the state a few more thousand:D.

I'm in the private sector and have lost my job. Picked up part time work and trying to get by on less than 25k with mortgage and two kids. Refreshing to hear a voice from the public sector talking of moderation and sense. The unions are doing an awesome job of agravating the country and turning the private against the public sector. I personally believe the lower paid workers in the public sector should have been immune from cuts! They have to live in the same world that I have. I would love to know what the top union guys, who are being heard on radio threatening strike action, are paid. Listening to some of them answering questions makes me think of how difficult it would be to nail a jellyfish to a wall.

frman · 11-12-2009 02:18PM

nurse23 wrote: »

i became a nurse cos i wanted to be a nurse and not because i wanted to be a public sector worker.

Everyone knows women become nurses so that they can see more willies.

nurse23 · 11-12-2009 02:18PM

Rujib1 wrote: »

Hey Nurse, what have ye done with our favourite non bearded, beard. The one and only "back off and shut up Liam Doran"?
I don't know about you, but I have missed him all this week on TV. I find one minute of him on the nine o'clock news, is better than two full episodes of Fawlty Towers, in terms of a right good ole laugh!!!!

whos Liam Doran?? im probably comin across as really thick!! but dont really watch the news as its pure depression!!:)

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:19PM

Stark wrote: »

Are you still a library assistant? With the whole librarian chic thing going on? With glasses? Glasses on a chain? Hawt.

Are you still a Moderator?

With ginger hair, E=MC2 Tshirt, Spotty chin, Sure Roll-on as a shower substitute and Dennis Taylor Glasses?

Hawt

nurse23 · 11-12-2009 02:19PM

frman wrote: »

Everyone knows women become nurses so that they can see more willies.

dang ya got me!! but then i quickly realised the only ones id see were shrivelled wrinkly ones!!:D

frman · 11-12-2009 02:20PM

nurse23 wrote: »

dang ya got me!! but then i quickly realised the only ones id see were shrivelled wrinkly ones!!:D

you're obviously wearing the wrong uniform !

nurse23 · 11-12-2009 02:23PM

frman wrote: »

you're obviously wearing the wrong uniform !

maybe i was!! dont work in hospital anymore but if i go back ill campaign for better sexier uniforms, now thats industrial action the men of ireland would get behind:D

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:24PM

nurse23 wrote: »

maybe i was!! dont work in hospital anymore but if i go back ill campaign for better sexier uniforms, now thats industrial action the men of ireland would get behind:D

I'd say thats not all Frman wants to get behind

anyways................

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:25PM

nurse23 wrote: »

whos Liam Doran?? im probably comin across as really thick!! but dont really watch the news as its pure depression!!:)

OMG, your's my kinda nurse

Can I get sick and come to your hospital?

As you don't know who Liam Doran is, I don't think I will blight your outlook by making you any wiser. Believe me, you are far better off not knowing who the little runt is. Sad thing is you are probably paying good money out of your well earned wages every week, to keep him in a "very. very well paid job"!!

frman · 11-12-2009 02:26PM

Liam79 wrote: »

I'd say thats not all Frman wants to get behind

anyways................

OI !!

RobbieTheRobber · 11-12-2009 02:29PM

I very much doubt that any further industrial action the union calls for will be for a strike.
There is no support for either public or from the members

Work to rule perhaps!

Anyway the way to change the union isn't to quit. Unions are not a bad thing the idea to protect workers is always a good thing. Many public servants will feel some sense of dissapointment at the union and thats normal after something like this.

The current unions leaders are no good that much is clear.
For the lower grade union the CPSU, the ICTU became a burden rather than a benefit, all that talk of equal cuts form the union is bullcrap to the CPSU members they are the lowest paid and their wages would see them struggle to feed and home themselves dont mind any dependants, so equality in cuts would never be a good thing for them. They needed to distance themselves from the overpaid grades not associate themselves with them.

As for the GPRA and the nurses unions they again could have argued their case better without the ICTU too, if on nothing else, then the risks involved in their jobs.

But unions are good things if people are feeling disappointed now thats a good thing just like we need to with the government remember that feeling and use your right to vote and get these people out. Thats the unions chiefs, thats our elected representatives. Quiting the union is a failure, trying to change it for your betterment by voting and going to union meetings is the right way. If you want your voice to be heard it is better not to stand alone

Rujib1 · 11-12-2009 02:33PM

Doran has taken a couple of weeks sabatical.
When he returns he will look something like this.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FdEdvFQfwAU/SPSwBGAgDLI/AAAAAAAAH_M/Vx8Yj4JFFus/s400/long+beard.jpg

manafana · 11-12-2009 02:35PM

Hi Guys

Its good hear other side of the PS, unions make it out you all want to strike, my question is this is you are not in the union, that would mean you would lose out on your no vote then, so action would be more likely.

I do find it pointless to be unionised in a government job, your well treated and bar the lower end of the scale theirs little need for the trouble makers. Im glad you realise that 90% of people are taking a hit, and that a half decent pay check is better than none.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:38PM

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I very much doubt that any further industrial action the union calls for will be for a strike.
There is no support for either public or from the members

Work to rule perhaps!

Anyway the way to change the union isn't to quit. Unions are not a bad thing the idea to protect workers is always a good thing. Many public servants will feel some sense of dissapointment at the union and thats normal after something like this.

The current unions leaders are no good that much is clear.
For the lower grade union the CPSU, the ICTU became a burden rather than a benefit, all that talk of equal cuts form the union is bullcrap to the CPSU members they are the lowest paid and their wages would see them struggle to feed and home themselves dont mind any dependants, so equality in cuts would never be a good thing for them. They needed to distance themselves from the overpaid grades not associate themselves with them.

As for the GPRA and the nurses unions they again could have argued their case better without the ICTU too, if on nothing else, then the risks involved in their jobs.

But unions are good things if people are feeling disappointed now thats a good thing just like we need to with the government remember that feeling and use your right to vote and get these people out. Thats the unions chiefs, thats our elected representatives. Quiting the union is a failure, trying to change it for your betterment by voting and going to union meetings is the right way. If you want your voice to be heard it is better not to stand alone

Not quitting Unions, just quitting IMPACT. Going to join the CPSU.
Find Blair Horan a much more trustworthy and genuine face of union than Peter "FAS" McLoon!

redfacedbear · 11-12-2009 02:38PM

Count me in too! The cuts in my wages are going to be painful - add in the cuts in my wifes wages and child benefit and we're going to have our backs against the wall for the next while. I'm so pissed off that it has come to this and will be waiting in the long grass for a FF canvasser who ever dares darken my door again.

But, I also recognise how very necessary all of this is and in the national interest I'll bend over and take it (along with any modernising reforms that the Government has the balls to drive through in spite of union resistance).

The union's propsals to lengthen the period of adjustment are unconvincing and realistically a short sharp shock is what's needed - look at the turn around that happened from 1989 to 1996 compared to the miserable run in the years beforehand.

Dirk Gently · 11-12-2009 02:45PM

Liam79 wrote: »

i know i know........:o

But trust me Frman, i was given much more creedence in here when people thought I was a Private Sector worker. Being a PS worker on boards for the last 2 weeks has been like being a leper.....

.

Fair play to you for being willing to take a hit but maybe grow a bit of backbone too. Don't mean to sound harsh but by saying you're ashamed to be a public worker you're more or less accepting bullying. It's a well orchestrated campaign by gov and media and the intention is to shame you and round up the zombie hordes into hating you too. You've no reason to be ashamed.

The fact that you had to pretend to be a private worker to escape critism here on boards is testiment only to the success of the propaganda campaign being led against you and the simplicity of it's execution in motivating the arm chair commentators against you. Every one loves a focus point to vent irrational anger and the government and the banking sector are more than happy to project that blame onto you.

Your "outing" is almost like a criminal confessing his crimes and begging for forgiveness. You didn't commit any crime, you're just a victim of state organised and media executed bullying.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:49PM

Am glad I came out now! Feels like a weight off my shoulders. Glad everyone accepts me for who I really am..... Even my father was supportive......

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:49PM

clown bag wrote: »

Fair play to you for being willing to take a hit but maybe grow a bit of backbone too. Don't mean to sound harsh but by saying you're ashamed to be a public worker you're more or less accepting bullying. It's a well orchestrated campaign by gov and media and the intention is to shame you and round up the zombie hordes into hating you too. You've no reason to be ashamed.

The fact that you had to pretend to be a private worker to escape critism here on boards is testiment only to the success of the propaganda campaign being led against you and the simplicity of it's execution in motivating the arm chair commentators against you. Every one loves a focus point to vent irrational anger and the government and the banking sector are more than happy to project that blame onto you.

Your "outing" is almost like a criminal confessing his crimes and begging for forgiveness. You didn't commit any crime, you're just a victim of state organised and media executed bullying.

Your spot on Clown Bag. Cheers for that

sweetie · 11-12-2009 02:51PM

totally agree with you. I refused to strike the last day due to not even being
balloted by my union and am leaving them now. I'm in the emergency services
and while I do feel I do a worthwhile job, my wife is private sector and she
certanly earns the 50% extra in her paycheck.

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:52PM

I still wont pass a picket mind.............

Emme · 11-12-2009 02:54PM

I'm a public sector worker and I'd rather not strike, I don't see the point and I can't afford to go on strike anyway. The way I see it if we strike some of us are hurting the general public and we're playing into the government's hands by giving up our wages. I think that the guys at the top of unions are totally disconnected from rank and file members. With the salaries they earn they haven't a clue what it's like to live on a low salary. It makes them look good when we all go out on strike, but at the end of the day we're paying their wages via our union dues and we're getting very little for it. I said to my shop steward (these guys are ok, it's the guys at the top that bother me) that I would only go on strike the second time if the savings in our wages went directly to the flood victims in Ireland.

Someone said to me that we were wasting our time going on strike and that the government and union top brass were in cohoots - getting us to strike and saving the country money into the bargain. I don't agree with that but I don't see the point in going on strike - we'll p*** everyone off, lose more of our diminishing earnings and probably achieve nothing anyway. If the government and the union top brass want a fight they can do it in a boxing ring, just don't use rank and file union members as pawns.

Unfortunately some public sector workers DO need to be in a union, particularly those of us at the lower level as we get pushed around a lot. There's a good bit of mushroom management going on - keep them in the dark, throw manure on them and if things go wrong blame them and tell them it was their fault for not doing their job properly.

As long as I'm in a union I won't pass a picket, but I'm beginning to think that union membership is costing me more than it's worth.

tunney · 11-12-2009 02:55PM

clown bag wrote: »

Fair play to you for being willing to take a hit but maybe grow a bit of backbone too. Don't mean to sound harsh but by saying you're ashamed to be a public worker you're more or less accepting bullying. It's a well orchestrated campaign by gov and media and the intention is to shame you and round up the zombie hordes into hating you too. You've no reason to be ashamed.

The fact that you had to pretend to be a private worker to escape critism here on boards is testiment only to the success of the propaganda campaign being led against you and the simplicity of it's execution in motivating the arm chair commentators against you. Every one loves a focus point to vent irrational anger and the government and the banking sector are more than happy to project that blame onto you.

Your "outing" is almost like a criminal confessing his crimes and begging for forgiveness. You didn't commit any crime, you're just a victim of state organised and media executed bullying.

Pure tripe..............

So if there wasn't this "well orchestrated campaign by gov and media " there would be money to be able to afford the PS at its present cost?

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 02:57PM

tunney wrote: »

Pure tripe..............

So if there wasn't this "well orchestrated campaign by gov and media " there would be money to be able to afford the PS at its present cost?

Please everyone....please.....dont!
This has been one of the few threads on here that hasnt descended to farce so far....

Just let Tunneys comment go

Zynks · 11-12-2009 02:59PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Originally Posted by Stark
Are you still a library assistant? With the whole librarian chic thing going on? With glasses? Glasses on a chain? Hawt.

Are you still a Moderator?

With ginger hair, E=MC2 Tshirt, Spotty chin, Sure Roll-on as a shower substitute and Dennis Taylor Glasses?

Hawt

So it is a yes then

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 03:04PM

Zynks wrote: »

So it is a yes then

It is, 100%
And proud of it too

tunney · 11-12-2009 03:07PM

Liam79 wrote: »

Please everyone....please.....dont!
This has been one of the few threads on here that hasnt descended to farce so far....

Just let Tunneys comment go

Does the sand not get in your ears?

Dirk Gently · 11-12-2009 03:07PM

tunney wrote: »

Pure tripe..............

So if there wasn't this "well orchestrated campaign by gov and media " there would be money to be able to afford the PS at its present cost?

Im talking about the demonisation of public service workers to the point that they're ashamed to even admit they work in the public sector. I accept cuts need to be made, I welcome them, as a private worker I've taken a 20% hit already but the hate and anger directed against the public service is nothing short of shameful. Maybe direct some of your drunken rage at government and banks instead???

Liam79 · 11-12-2009 03:12PM

Here we go......

I am off for a pint.......

G'luck

tunney · 11-12-2009 03:12PM

clown bag wrote: »

Im talking about the demonisation of public service workers to the point that they're ashamed to even admit they work in the public sector. I accept cuts need to be made, I welcome them, as a private worker I've taken a 20% hit already but the hate and anger directed against the public service is nothing short of shameful. Maybe direct some of your drunken rage at government and banks instead???

I have no rage for the PS. I feel for them as a pay cut is never a nice thing no matter how unavoidable it is.

Banks, government, general greed on behalf of the people of Ireland. Yes these things got us here. But we are here and rage solves nothing.

dan_d · 11-12-2009 03:44PM

Well done mate. Don't be ashamed of your job, theres's nothing wrong with it. You will lose your vote if you leave the union, but if you feel it's costing more than it's worth then go for it. You don't owe them anything, remember that.
Thank god for people with a bit of common sense.We're all in this together. And yes, the media have absolutley demonised the 2 sectors.

meditraitor · 11-12-2009 03:45PM

NIce post Liam

Inspector Coptoor · 11-12-2009 03:52PM

Industrial action will prove nothing.
It'll only cost us more pay while the **** in the unions like John White continue to pocket 6 figure salaries.

I'm a secondary teacher against any more strikes.
I have leaving cert students under enough pressure without this.

There is also the possibility that the unions will ask union members to withdraw voluntary extra-curricular activities like training football teams at lunch times and after schools.
If this happens, I will quit the union and continue training the football team.
Dont they realise that for many students who aren't academics, the only thing that makes achool bearable is sport?

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