More rear hub stuff and replacement..

km991148 · 07-01-2010 05:04PM #1

After moaning about my frozen rear hub on another thread, I just went back to the bike and notices some what i can only describe as brown sh!tty stuff oozing from the hub (I guess this is dirty grease!).

Therefore I reckon its safer all round to replace it completely.

I looked up the model of bike and I beleiive I have a 'Shimano M-530 Deore' - any recommendations of a suitable replacement? Will I just get any old shimano branded hb of the same size;

Is this an easy enough task with standard tools? Also any other jobs I should do while I am there (other than a good old clean of derailleur/ chain etc)?

penexpers · 07-01-2010 05:11PM

Replacing a hub is not an easy job, you need to take the wheel apart and put it back together again. This requires knowledge of how to tension a wheel properly.

km991148 · 07-01-2010 05:17PM

penexpers wrote: »

Replacing a hub is not an easy job, you need to take the wheel apart and put it back together again. This requires knowledge of how to tension a wheel properly.

yeah I was just looking at them online and noticed the hub contains the housing for the spokes.. this is actually handy as I think my rear wheel is a little buckled (which I beleive can be corrected to some extent by tightening the spokes) - would it be time consuming for a bike mechanic? i.e. if I took it to a lbs would they charge much? - obviously this is dependant on the lbs, but a rough guide would be good; Although I have a couple of days off soon, so wouldnt mind giving it a go if I can find some good tutorials;
cheers,
km

penexpers · 07-01-2010 06:03PM

My LBS charges 10 euro for fixing a buckle in a wheel, would hazard that replacing a hub would cost about 30-40 (on a similar scale).

There's plenty of guides online about how to build a wheel - just google it, sheldon brown's one is probably the best.

If you do it yourself, you'll need some tools : a chain whip, a lockring tool (to remove/replace the cassette) and a spoke key. It would probably cost about 30-40 to get those tools.

Greyspoke · 07-01-2010 08:00PM

Hi again! You probably don't actually need to replace the whole hub which would as mentioned, require the whole wheel to be rebuilt. Shimano hubs are quite easy to strip down with a couple of 17mm spanners and cone spanners. Take the axle and bearings out and give it all a good clean. Check the cones for wear and maybe replace the loose bearings then replace with clean grease. If its the freehub body that needs replacing then you have to take the axle out anyway and you'll need a 10mm allen key to remove it. I know that might all sound like a bit of a fiddle but it's all quite straightforward really and doesn't require much skill. It's certainly worth giving it a go yourself first before resorting to a full rebuild.

km991148 · 07-01-2010 08:56PM

Greyspoke wrote: »

Hi again! You probably don't actually need to replace the whole hub which would as mentioned, require the whole wheel to be rebuilt. Shimano hubs are quite easy to strip down with a couple of 17mm spanners and cone spanners. Take the axle and bearings out and give it all a good clean. Check the cones for wear and maybe replace the loose bearings then replace with clean grease. If its the freehub body that needs replacing then you have to take the axle out anyway and you'll need a 10mm allen key to remove it. I know that might all sound like a bit of a fiddle but it's all quite straightforward really and doesn't require much skill. It's certainly worth giving it a go yourself first before resorting to a full rebuild.

Hi lol!
I have been googling about on this, I thinking a wheel rebuild woudnt be a bad thing as my back wheel has been out of allignment for a while now (either buckled or needs some messin with the spokes) but the more I read on it, the more er worried I get (looks like a bit of patience will be required)..
Also, when I lift up the rear wheel and put it back down there is a little play when I place it back on the ground (not sure what this means, prob hub releated..)

So am I am thinking, I may call round a few lbs (not that rathgar shyster tho..lol) and get quotes for a mini service.. will see how I feel come the weekend after reading more on it;

May go with your idea greyspoke, buy some bearings and have a look (I am guessing bearings and a tub of grease will only be a few euros?) - at least she will get a long overdue clean!

Also, can I try straightening the wheel by just tightening the spokes on the rim (i.e. without removing them from the hub end)? If so I may as well get a spoke key and give it a bash!

blorg · 07-01-2010 10:09PM

Your wheel sounds fecked, you say it's not just the hub but there are other problems. It may be most economical just to replace it, worth bearing in mind. A Deore hub is halfway decent though and is servicable as Greyspoke says.

km991148 · 07-01-2010 10:22PM

blorg wrote: »

Your wheel sounds fecked, you say it's not just the hub but there are other problems. It may be most economical just to replace it, worth bearing in mind. A Deore hub is halfway decent though and is servicable as Greyspoke says.

Maybe a better option, hasstle free I guess..

When I first took it to a shop they wanted 70eur for a wheel, but I am guessing for that money I could get better online and fit myself? What would be a decent enough 700c hybrid wheel for this price?

Should add.. strength over weight etc! I carry that much sh!t about with me lol

blorg · 07-01-2010 10:35PM

km991148 wrote: »

When I first took it to a shop they wanted 70eur for a wheel, but I am guessing for that money I could get better online and fit myself? What would be a decent enough 700c hybrid wheel for this price?

Depending on the wheel it could be worth it, hard to tell without knowing that. If it was something with a Deore hub like you have now it is probably a very good deal, this is an online price for a Deore/Mavic hybrid wheel.

Point is it could cost more to get your current wheel fixed what with the labour cost, particularly if the wheel needs rebuilding. Why don't you ask your local bike shop for an estimate on how much it would cost to rebuild the wheel, replacing whatever needs replacing? Thing is, the answer could indeed be more than "a new wheel."

km991148 · 07-01-2010 10:43PM

blorg wrote: »

Depending on the wheel it could be worth it, hard to tell without knowing that. If it was something with a Deore hub like you have now it is probably a very good deal, this is an online price for a Deore/Mavic hybrid wheel.

Point is it could cost more to get your current wheel fixed what with the labour cost, particularly if the wheel needs rebuilding. Why don't you ask your local bike shop for an estimate on how much it would cost to rebuild the wheel, replacing whatever needs replacing? Thing is, the answer could indeed be more than "a new wheel."

ye, am going to ring round a bit tomorrow; my worry about getting a new wheel is the quality, I went for the hybrid I bought as the wheels seemed to be better than others at the time (this specialized bad boy) i.e. double butted etc. Although, I reckon ive done 1000-1300kms on it and usually am careful where I cycle (althoguh some roads are a joke on my commute) and disapointed I need to look at replacements so soon..

Thanks for the tips - so many options!
Although I was kinda looking forward to messin and trying to learn, but I will probably fail after getting a temper!
km

Greyspoke · 08-01-2010 09:22AM

If your wheel is in that bad shape after just 1000-1300km I think you should start by going back to the shop you got it from (assuming you bought it new). Also, did you ever avail of the free first service that most shops offer with new bikes? Regardless, it's always worth getting new wheels checked over and tightened after the first few hundred kms.

km991148 · 08-01-2010 09:34AM

Greyspoke wrote: »

If your wheel is in that bad shape after just 1000-1300km I think you should start by going back to the shop you got it from (assuming you bought it new). Also, did you ever avail of the free first service that most shops offer with new bikes? Regardless, it's always worth getting new wheels checked over and tightened after the first few hundred kms.

Nah, never got round to it.. bought the bike when visiting a mate up belfast way, so never got round to the service.. I will be likely selling this on sometime this year and will get something new, so will learn from the mistakes past I guess.. (which doesnt help now..!)

rflynnr · 08-01-2010 09:41AM

I faced a similar rebuild issue last year: for reasons too complicated and boring to go into I had a brand new hub which I built up into a wheel myself as a temporary job. It worked fine for about six months but when I knew I had a tour coming up I took it to Mr Skeffington. If you are thinking about building up a new wheel, he's your man.

blorg · 08-01-2010 10:39AM

@km- spec on that wheel is very good. I don't know about the own-brand rim (it is probably decent) but Deore hubs are very good and the spokes (DT Competition) are top notch.

If the €70 offer for a new wheel was for the same level of wheel it is a cracking bargain. To be honest €70 is not very expensive for a rear wheel. If it was for a cheap wheel maybe not so good, difficult to tell unless you know what the wheel offered was, you can get cheaper.

Seconded on Mr Skeffington, he built a bike up for me and did a very good job. You will get good neutral advice on what you need to do as he isn't selling any parts, just providing a service.

km991148 · 08-01-2010 11:04AM

I am going to ring around a bit today and see locally what I can get, but if not I think I will look into that wheel you posted blorg, I seen it last night before you put it up, but was put of by lack of picture.. (doesnt say much about me - either vain or need pictures rather than words..)

I am definately going to replace at least the hub as its lasting approx 15-30minutes in this cold (after being kept indoors all day/night - last night I had to get hot water from an esso, and failing that it was getting p!ssed on..) and I fear it is on the way out. I am switching jobs next week, so I will be on the luas for first week or two until I can work out route/showers etc so will have time to work on it then/buy parts/ otherwise service it.. as long as she can last me another week

RE This Mr Skeffington; I have heard his name bandied about these parts, who exactly is he, and would he take such a cheap wheel seriously (sorry for asking in 3rd person Mr Skeffington, I am asking as I know you dont post all the time) - does he (do you) have a shop etc?

edit: also @blorg - that was 65euro for a new wheel fittet, so taking 10-20 for labour, I reckon the wheel must be sh!t - would have asked, but I was annoyed he went straight for the full wheel option..

Cheers

Mr. Skeffington · 08-01-2010 11:12AM

Hi there, I will send you a PM with my contact details, I will gladly look at it for you and let you know what is the best course of action. It sounds to me like you should just refurb the existing hub and re-tru the wheel, but I will get a better idea if I see it.

Thanks for the reccomenations rflynnr and blorg :-)

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