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German family granted asylum in US

  • 27-01-2010 04:51PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47


    As reported on www.spiegel.de

    Religious Persecution?
    German Home-Schoolers Granted Political Asylum in US

    A family of evangelical Christians who said they were being persecuted for their religious beliefs in Germany have been granted political asylum in the US. The couple fled to Tennessee so they could home-school their five children, which is illegal in Germany.[/B]

    Most asylum seekers in the US tend to flee wars or dictatorships, but one German family moved to the American South in 2008 because they believed they were being persecuted for their religious beliefs. On Tuesday an immigration judge in Tennessee agreed, and granted them political asylum.

    Uwe and Hannelore Romeike, who are evangelical Christians, say they were forced to go the the US because they wanted to educate their five children at home, something that is illegal in Germany.

    Judge Lawrence Burman issued the ruling on Tuesday in Memphis, according to the Home School Legal Defense Association, which is representing the Romeikes.

    The family left Germany after several run-ins with authorities. The parents had ignored repeated orders to send their children to school. German state constitutions require parents to send their children to public or private schools and they can face fines or even imprisonment if they don't comply.

    In October 2006, police came to the Romeike home and took the children to school. In November 2007 Germany's highest appellate court ruled that in severe cases of non-compliance, social services could even remove children from home.

    Uwe Romeike told the Associated Press that the 2007 ruling convinced him and his wife that "we had to leave the country." The curriculum in public schools over the past few decades has been "more and more against Christian values," he said.

    'The Freedom to Choose'

    Lutz Görgens, a German Consul General in Atlanta, Georgia, said in an e-mail statement that German parents had a range of educational options for their children. Mandatory school attendance in Germany ensures a high standard of learning for all children, he said. "Parents may chose between public, private and religious schools, including those with alternative curricula like Waldorf or Montessori schools," said Görgens.
    But Romeike was not comfortable sending his children to public school anymore. He said three eldest children had had problems with violence, bullying and peer pressure. "I think it's important for parents to have the freedom to choose the way their children can be taught," he said.

    The couple took the kids out of school in the southern state of Baden-Württemberg in 2006 and were fined around €70,000 ($100,000).
    In 2008 Romeike, a music teacher, sold his collection of pianos and rented out his home in the village of Bissingen. The family now live in Morristown, Tennessee, in the so-called Bible Belt. Like many of their neighbors they teach their children at home.

    The decision on the family's political asylum could still be overturned if the US government appeals the ruling. But Mike Donnelly, the attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association, said he hopes Tuesday's ruling will influence public opinion in Germany -- which is part of the reason his group offered to represent the Romeikes, he said.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Thucydides wrote: »
    German family granted asylum in US

    Nice to have a good jews story for once....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    Nice to have a good jews story for once....

    How could Jew be so rude!!!?

    Here have some Orange Jews


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    First thing I thought was Hitler

    Second thing is that the family are probably all Nazis

    Then I was back to Hitler


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    Tennessee is a beautiful state .....provided you never have to go there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Antbert


    So... Family gets in a huff because the state won't let them break the law, then they move to America.

    I'm not really seeing the big deal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭lizardfudge


    Nice to have a good jews story for once....
    Fago_25 wrote: »
    How could Jew be so rude!!!?

    Here have some Orange Jews

    Just to point out it's Holocaust Memorial Day today... this sort of stuff is a tad distasteful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Just to point out it's Holocaust Memorial Day today... this sort of stuff is a tad distasteful.

    For those reading in the UK, I apologise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    For those reading in the UK, I apologise.

    I don't!

    I haven't said anything bad!

    Just because it may be Holocaust Memorial day, doesn't mean I can't play on THE WORD JEW!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Antbert


    That joke was in no way bad taste.

    *resists urge to write about orange juice tasting nice*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Just to point out it's Holocaust Memorial Day today... this sort of stuff is a tad distasteful.
    That's not a real day


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,647 ✭✭✭✭Fago!


    phasers wrote: »
    That's not a real day

    It's as real as Leif Erikson day!

    Yinga Blinga Blurg'n!

    Edit: Just checked. There actually is a Lief Erikson day!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    For those reading in the UK, I apologise.
    Fago_25 wrote: »
    I don't!

    I haven't said anything bad!

    Just because it may be Holocaust Memorial day, doesn't mean I can't play on THE WORD JEW!!!

    in the UK...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I don't see the problem. Except maybe its strange that Germany has made Home Schooling Illegal. Thats a little odd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Iolar wrote: »
    Will that give us all the green light here to do the same thing here...after all aren't we all suffering persecution from a nanny state government? :D
    6 million whiney moany Pats on my doorstep?

    I. Don't. Think. So. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Whatever happened to seeking asylum in the nearest safe state or do all EU states ban such practices ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    One less evangelical family in europe. Brilliant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    When I read the headline I suspected it might be the Kelly family.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭InKonspikuou2


    So has that set the precident for anyone who wants to move over there now? It can always be referred to if you went to court over it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Would the same course of action be open to an Irish family wanting to send their kids to a non-religious public school ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So has that set the precident for anyone who wants to move over there now? It can always be referred to if you went to court over it.
    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Would the same course of action be open to an Irish family wanting to send their kids to a non-religious public school ?
    No and No. Theres no legal requirement to accept Asylum seekers as far as im aware. And an Irish family has access to secular public schooling albeit limited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Would the same course of action be open to an Irish family wanting to send their kids to a non-religious public school ?
    No, because there are non religious schools available in Ireland. If non religious schools were illegal then you might have a case


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    phasers wrote: »
    there are non religious schools available in Ireland.

    1) How many
    2) Where
    3) Define "available"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    1) How many
    2) Where
    3) Define "available"

    1)A few
    2)I don't know, probably Dublin
    3)They take your kids and teach em stuff

    Point is, if you feel strongly enough to emigrate about it, there are facilities available in Ireland. Move. America wouldn't grant you asylum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    1)VERY few
    2)I said Ireland -not Dublin
    3) If youre (very) lucky

    Point is the German family could have moved to an EU state which does allow homeschooling. Seeing as how they felt strongly enough about it to emigrate like.
    America wouldn't grant you asylum.
    Youre probably right but doesnt this amount to double standards ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    1)VERY few
    2)I said Ireland -not Dublin
    3) If youre (very) lucky
    So rather than move to Dublin you'd move to America and claim religious persecution? Not exactly how it works buddy...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭MaybeLogic


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    1) How many
    2) Where
    3) Define "available"

    https://www.educatetogether.ie/5_schools/listofschools.html

    Multi-denominational schools if that's any use to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There was nowhere in Germany this family could legally homeschool their children so they Left Germany.

    You can move elsewhere in Ireland to get secular schooling, henceforth seeking Asylum is quite over the top. And you aren't being persecuted for your Secular Beliefs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    phasers wrote: »
    So rather than move to Dublin you'd move to America and claim religious persecution? Not exactly how it works buddy...

    So rather than move to another EU state theyd move to America and claim religious persecution? Seemingly thats exactly how it works buddy
    Overheal wrote: »
    There was nowhere in Germany this family could legally homeschool their child.

    Germany was an EU state last time I checked
    MaybeLogic wrote: »
    https://www.educatetogether.ie/5_schools/listofschools.html

    Multi-denominational schools if that's any use to you.
    And all these schools have affordable housing within their catchment area and sufficent places for anyone who may want to send their kids there ? Oops seemingly not


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So rather than move to another EU state theyd move to America and claim religious persecution? Seemingly thats exactly how it works buddy
    Different country != elsewhere in your own country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So rather than move to another EU state theyd move to America and claim religious persecution? Seemingly thats exactly how it works buddy
    If you want to write a letter of complaint to your European Union Representative, be my guest.

    I was still under the Impression the EU was not a Federal Entity/a Unified country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    So rather than move to another EU state theyd move to America and claim religious persecution? Seemingly thats exactly how it works buddy

    Yea, why did they not just move to another German speaking country in the EU that would let them home-school. I'm sure Austria would have taken them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    The average IQ of both countries has skyrocketed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    oh come on, political asylum? just get a grip and send them off to school

    if you don't have a teaching degree you shouldn't be teaching children, i mean would you send your kids to school if none of the teachers have degrees?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Ageispolis wrote: »
    The average IQ of both countries has skyrocketed.
    Archaic joke, here's your coat.
    Oh and for future reference we usually stop the thank whoring after the first page.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Mike 1972 wrote: »

    And all these schools have affordable housing within their catchment area and sufficent places for anyone who may want to send their kids there ? Oops seemingly not
    The one in Adamstown has spaces, I only ever see like 15 kids in it and it's a huge building. Plenty of empty houses sround too, and a train station and bus service. Quit whingeing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Archaic joke, here's your coat.
    Oh and for future reference we usually stop the thank whoring after the first page.

    You an expert at that are you? Can't say I'm into it myself. And it is on my first page, by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Ageispolis wrote: »
    You an expert at that are you? Can't say I'm into it myself. And it is on my first page, by the way.
    You've just proven you are into it by that shameless joke...
    BTW, this is the third page, not the first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You've just proven you are into it by that shameless joke...
    BTW, this is the third page, not the first.

    No, I'm not really into it. In fact, your accusation of thanks whoring looks a bit like thanks whoring. And it's the first page for me, as I said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Overheal wrote: »
    I was still under the Impression the EU was not a Federal Entity/a Unified country.
    I was still under the impresson that the United States and Germany were not the same country
    phasers wrote: »
    Different country != elsewhere in your own country.
    What part of common travel area dont you understand ?
    Overheal wrote: »
    If you want to write a letter of complaint to your European Union Representative, be my guest.
    Eh ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    I was always under the impresson that the United States and Germany were not the same country

    What part of common travel area dont you understand ?
    Just the part where thats still considered International Travel.
    Eh ?
    I mean write your Representative, TD, MP, Whatever, and ask them why the EU didnt try to stop the family from seeking Asylum?

    You could also ask the US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services why they felt yours was not a good enough reason to deny the Asylum but I have a feeling they would tell you something along the same line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Ageispolis wrote: »
    No, I'm not really into it. In fact, your accusation of thanks whoring looks a bit like thanks whoring. And it's the first page for me, as I said.
    Nah I'm not a thanks whore, I just hate it when people post jokes just to get thanks. And it doesn't matter if it's the first page for you, bottom line is it's the third page.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Nah I'm not a thanks whore, I just hate it when people post jokes just to get thanks. And it doesn't matter if it's the first page for you, bottom line is it's the third page.
    I've let you write yourself into a corner for a few posts now, but you're actually now only on Page 2. FYI you can change your settings to view 40 posts per page.

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Nah I'm not a thanks whore, I just hate it when people post jokes just to get thanks. And it doesn't matter if it's the first page for you, bottom line is it's the third page.

    Not really. It's not the first page for everyone, so you can't really build a rule around it. It needs a bit of fine tuning. Like specify the number of posts beyond which you shouldn't be seen to be making an effort. Anyway, it's hard not to look like a thanks whore in AH.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Overheal wrote: »
    Just the part where thats still considered International Travel.

    Just like travel from Germany to the United States ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Overheal wrote: »
    I've let you write yourself into a corner for a few posts now, but you're actually now only on Page 2. FYI you can change your settings to view 40 posts per page.
    :)
    Haha, either way it still isn't the first page.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Not really. It's not the first page for everyone, so you can't really build a rule around it. It needs a bit of fine tuning. Like specify the number of posts beyond which you shouldn't be seen to be making an effort. Anyway, it's hard not to look like a thanks whore in AH.
    Yes it's the first page for everyone, let me give you an example if you begin to watch a football match after half time then it may be the first half that you have watched but it is still the 2nd half of the match. I don't know how you can't understand that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Haha, either way it still isn't the first page.

    Yes it's the first page for everyone, let me give you an example if you begin to watch a football match after half time then it may be the first half that you have watched but it is still the 2nd half of the match. I don't know how you can't understand that.

    It's not the first page for everyone though. It depends on your settings where a page ends and begins. Sheesh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭Thephantomsmask


    Overheal wrote: »
    I don't see the problem. Except maybe its strange that Germany has made Home Schooling Illegal. Thats a little odd.

    The risk of Julie Andrews popping up with her playsuits made of curtains and hilltop singsongs was probably too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I believe ive been misquoted above :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    Overheal wrote: »
    I believe ive been misquoted above :confused:

    You took the words right out of my mouth.. Oh it must have been while you were kissing me.


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