Mayor Kevin Kiely vs. Good Friday

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 10:44AM #1

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Pubs-angry-about-loss-of.6113729.jp

Mayor Kiely has criticised the "outdated" and "stupid" laws which prevent alcohol being served on Good Friday.
"We have to move on from this situation. As far as I am concerned, these laws are outdated and ridiculous, and if we have to compete as a modern European city, we have to forget about these stupid laws," he said.

No big secret that this fella has many connections in the pub trade as he used to own one of the roughest pubs in the city (Treaty Bar).. But to challenge our laws for the price of a pint!! This guy needs to go.. along with the rest who are ruining this town from city hall..

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 10:45AM

Just goes to show how far they will go for the price of a pint and a rugby match.

Aidric · 02-03-2010 10:51AM

He is obviously reaching for the populist angle without doing some research. The man is a goon.

Jumpy · 02-03-2010 11:00AM

Whats the problem?

He is right. Now that the Church and State are supposedly separated, there is no place for Catholic based laws.

chalkitdown · 02-03-2010 11:10AM

I agree, although, I have no problem with god believers being banned from pubs on good Friday.

flutered · 02-03-2010 11:19AM

chalkitdown wrote: »

I agree, although, I have no problem with god believers being banned from pubs on good Friday.

yeah but so are every one else, what are the odds that there will be many a person with beer and spirits for sale along the side of the streets on that day.

Itsdacraic · 02-03-2010 11:20AM

flutered wrote: »

yeah but so are every one else, what are the odds that there will be many a person with beer and spirits for sale along the side of the streets on that day.

High, very high.

chalkitdown · 02-03-2010 11:24AM

flutered wrote: »

yeah but so are every one else, what are the odds that there will be many a person with beer and spirits for sale along the side of the streets on that day.

It would be a good opportunity for the more enterprising types, maybe the Kelly's will transfer their 'licence' for the day!

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 11:36AM

Jumpy wrote: »

Whats the problem?

He is right. Now that the Church and State are supposedly separated, there is no place for Catholic based laws.

fair enough.. its not the changing of the laws that im touching on.. its the idea that one man should think he can speak for everyone and just abolish a law..

Itsdacraic · 02-03-2010 11:42AM

Stab*City wrote: »

fair enough.. its not the changing of the laws that im touching on.. its the idea that one man should think he can speak for everyone and just abolish a law..

But it's a Munster match...........

Paulegend · 02-03-2010 11:49AM

listen this should all be in the other thread since its the exact same arguement.

but if you are religious DONT GO TO THE PUB ON GOOD FRIDAY

by argueing that the pub should be closed on good friday it says more about the religious that they cant stay out of an open pub than it does about us souless pagens:D

its a ridiculous law. we are a multicultural society. we have jewish, christian, muslim and even scientologists in this country. why does one religion rule the others??? i wonder if Italy and Spain close their pubs on good friday??

if i switch to scientology can i go to the pub on good friday?? ill do it!!!!!!!

EI111 · 02-03-2010 11:53AM

Stab*City wrote: »

fair enough.. its not the changing of the laws that im touching on.. its the idea that one man should think he can speak for everyone and just abolish a law..

Isn't that what politicians do? Speak for the people?
If this went to some kind of vote the law would be abolished in a landslide victory.

Roadend · 02-03-2010 11:59AM

Paulegend wrote: »

if i switch to scientology can i go to the pub on good friday?? ill do it!!!!!!!

After paying the join up fee you won't be able to afford a pint

Paulegend · 02-03-2010 12:02PM

Roadend wrote: »

After paying the join up fee you won't be able to afford a pint

well christianity started that way

super_furry · 02-03-2010 12:05PM

Of course he's right and I'd imagine he's speaking for the vast majority.

Raiser · 02-03-2010 12:16PM

Poor Kevin Kiely in my opinion really seems like the sort of Person with a big mouth and too many poorly founded opinions.

He has probably spent a lifetime bleating his small-time, small-world opinions to the disinterested and unfortunate People around him & is now just unlucky that he (somehow?) became Mayor - thus allowing his opinions to be printed in the Media and show him up publicly as an Idiot.

- It embarrassing.

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 12:38PM

Paulegend wrote: »

listen this should all be in the other thread since its the exact same arguement.

but if you are religious DONT GO TO THE PUB ON GOOD FRIDAY

by argueing that the pub should be closed on good friday it says more about the religious that they cant stay out of an open pub than it does about us souless pagens:D

its a ridiculous law. we are a multicultural society. we have jewish, christian, muslim and even scientologists in this country. why does one religion rule the others??? i wonder if Italy and Spain close their pubs on good friday??

if i switch to scientology can i go to the pub on good friday?? ill do it!!!!!!!

Listen this thread is not about the law, the munster match, religon or italy or spain its about kevin kiely.. please keep thread on topic..:rolleyes:

Kess73 · 02-03-2010 12:39PM

Raiser wrote: »

Poor Kevin Kiely in my opinion really seems like the sort of Person with a big mouth and too many poorly founded opinions.

He has probably spent a lifetime bleating his small-time, small-world opinions to the disinterested and unfortunate People around him & is now just unlucky that he (somehow?) became Mayor - thus allowing his opinions to be printed in the Media and show him up publicly as an Idiot.

- It embarrassing.

Amazing how it has become a regular trend with Limerick mayors. Still it would not be fair on the poor dears to get the position based on actual ability.

Although this time he has managed to touch on a subject where what he has said bears some merit. The idea of pubs being shut to all people because of one religion regardless of whether the people suscribe to that religion or not is ridiculous in this day and age.

Almost as ridiculous as a bishop asking church goers to donate money to go towards the cost of legal fees for Clerical abusers, and to help the church pay for the compensation deals for the abused.. Oh wait that was on the radio today as having happened.

krudler · 02-03-2010 12:43PM

Stab*City wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Pubs-angry-about-loss-of.6113729.jp

Mayor Kiely has criticised the "outdated" and "stupid" laws which prevent alcohol being served on Good Friday.
"We have to move on from this situation. As far as I am concerned, these laws are outdated and ridiculous, and if we have to compete as a modern European city, we have to forget about these stupid laws," he said.

No big secret that this fella has many connections in the pub trade as he used to own one of the roughest pubs in the city (Treaty Bar).. But to challenge our laws for the price of a pint!! This guy needs to go.. along with the rest who are ruining this town from city hall..

I agree with him, not being able to drink on Good Friday is ludicrous in this day and age, its a relic from when we were all Holy God fearing luddites , the church should have ZERO say in any laws in the 21st century. I dont believe in god and i dont drink so I couldnt care less if the pubs are open 365 days a year as it doesnt affect me, but I dont like being told I cant go hang out with friends in a pub on acertain day because some religious people think that having a sip of whiskey on one friday out of the year is gonna make baby Jesus cry

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 12:45PM

Stab*City wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Pubs-angry-about-loss-of.6113729.jp"We have to move on from this situation. As far as I am concerned, these laws are outdated and ridiculous, and if we have to compete as a modern European city, we have to forget about these stupid laws," he said.

If we have to compete as a modern European city we are rightly F**KED!!!:D

Between the litter on the by-pass, the holes in the road, the scumbags, the politicians and the pyjamas gangs what has the city come too?:eek:

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 12:49PM

krudler wrote: »

I agree with him, not being able to drink on Good Friday is ludicrous in this day and age, its a relic from when we were all Holy God fearing luddites , the church should have ZERO say in any laws in the 21st century. I dont believe in god and i dont drink so I couldnt care less if the pubs are open 365 days a year as it doesnt affect me, but I dont like being told I cant go hang out with friends in a pub on acertain day because some religious people think that having a sip of whiskey on one friday out of the year is gonna make baby Jesus cry

I agree 100% im a non drinker too and could care less aboout the law.. i was more trying to discuss our mayor..

Kess73 · 02-03-2010 12:52PM

Stab*City wrote: »

If we have to compete as a modern European city we are rightly F**KED!!!:D

Between the litter on the by-pass, the holes in the road, the scumbags, the politicians and the pyjamas gangs what has the city come too?:eek:

Limerick is not a modern town or city to European standard. That is just a tagline that gets banded about when people want to avoid discussing the empty units and growing dole lines.

It is a bit like the city council statement yesterday that Town retailers would be better off focussing on doing something about the boarded up units that don't belong to them than going on about parking prices and the lack of footfall.

In other words the city coucil want to have to do nothing about the boarded up units and want the retailers who don't even own or use those units to do it for them.

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 12:58PM

I seriously think we need to organise a protest outside city hall about the way this place is being run into the ground... is there anybody down there in city hall who has actually done anything but run their big mouths in the last year? City hall cares more about a pint on match day than they do about the city centre turning into a ghost town..

Paulegend · 02-03-2010 01:08PM

Stab*City wrote: »

I seriously think we need to organise a protest outside city hall about the way this place is being run into the ground... is there anybody down there in city hall who has actually done anything but run their big mouths in the last year? City hall cares more about a pint on match day than they do about the city centre turning into a ghost town..

exactly. besides make sure that lights are working, cameras are working, pass planning permission for roads and get projects rolling that bloody council are doing nothing

its all Kielys fault:rolleyes:

Raiser · 02-03-2010 01:14PM

The irony is that Pubs still close in Ireland on Good Friday precisely because the Country is run by small time, old fashioned, ineffectual, half arséd Public Officials like our sham Mayor Kevin Kiely.

Mr E · 02-03-2010 01:38PM

He was just on Newstalk. He has a point, but didn't articulate it very well. They had a guy on who was in favour of fasting on Good Friday to balance the argument, and he came across much better.

Berty · 02-03-2010 01:43PM

Why are we not allowed drink on good Friday?

Religion.

Pub's should be allowed open on Good Friday and Christmas day and any other day for that matter. Although he is not a good public speaker his point is important.

The only problem is that his reason's for it are linked to his desire for business's to make money from the match on good friday rather than being a suggestion for the greater good of the economy / rest of the country.

Reaganomical · 02-03-2010 02:21PM

I suppose Kiely is trying to keep his name in the local media as much as possible seeing as he will be handing over the mayoral chains in a few months - his time in the spotlight will be over then.

Anyone know who is next in line? Another FGer?

Raiser · 02-03-2010 02:26PM

Mr E wrote: »

He was just on Newstalk. He has a point, but didn't articulate it very well. They had a guy on who was in favour of fasting on Good Friday to balance the argument, and he came across much better.

When your opponent on the national airwaves can outspeak you in presenting the view that non-practising Catholics, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and Whoever else shouldn't be able to relax and enjoy a pint in their local simply cause his imaginary, supernatural, Superhero Friend from ~2000 years ago just mightn't like it then its time to shut up and say nothing at all.......

Aidric · 02-03-2010 02:27PM

schnellimbiss wrote: »

I suppose Kiely is trying to keep his name in the local media as much as possible seeing as he will be handing over the mayoral chains in a few months - his time in the spotlight will be over then.

Anyone know who is next in line? Another FGer?

Really? I wasn't aware of that, good news all the same. Someone with a bit of intelligence would make a nice change.

Itsdacraic · 02-03-2010 02:28PM

Aidric wrote: »

Someone with a bit of intelligence would make a nice change.

I think it stays within the city council.

Mountjoy Mugger · 02-03-2010 02:30PM

I'd be careful using the "********" word, if I were you. We don't want Boards getting sued for libel, do we?

Mr E · 02-03-2010 02:34PM

Thread renamed to something less litigious.

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 06:57PM

Paulegend wrote: »

exactly. besides make sure that lights are working, cameras are working, pass planning permission for roads and get projects rolling that bloody council are doing nothing

its all Kielys fault:rolleyes:

Dont know where you live bud but the lights on my street were not working for months.. and why plan new roads when they cant even fill in the ones outside my door.. if you call the oprea centre and the regeneration project "rolling" you must be going in reverse.:rolleyes:

Paulegend · 02-03-2010 07:05PM

Stab*City wrote: »

Dont know where you live bud but the lights on my street were not working for months.. and why plan new roads when they cant even fill in the ones outside my door.. if you call the oprea centre and the regeneration project "rolling" you must be going in reverse.:rolleyes:

maybe i am:D

Stab*City · 02-03-2010 07:09PM

maybe you are..

flutered · 02-03-2010 07:15PM

Aidric wrote: »

Really? I wasn't aware of that, good news all the same. Someone with a bit of intelligence would make a nice change.

a city counciller a f.f.er, with intelligence ? now that would be breaking the mould

manna452121 · 02-03-2010 07:21PM

Micheal Hourigan is in line to be the next mayor.Joe Duffy also had a chat about the match and thursday is being mentioned if the teams agree.

billy the squid · 03-03-2010 01:06AM

Tom O'Donnell has the power to grant a five hour allowance for the pubs on Good Friday according to the paper.

7-12 seems fair enough.

talkingclock · 03-03-2010 05:41AM

Stab*City wrote: »

"We have to move on from this situation. As far as I am concerned, these laws are outdated and ridiculous, and if we have to compete as a modern European city, we have to forget about these stupid laws," he said.

Is this the same Kiely who wanted to send the unemplyed EU forrengers home not to long ago?

What a muppet!

the_syco · 03-03-2010 08:14AM

The question that you must ask yourself is this: do we still get the day off if we're allowed to drink on that day. At the moment, the two days that pubs are closed, we also don't have work.

Also, I'm thinking he doesn't like "house party Friday"

- great for the offie trade, bad for the pub owners... great for those who work in pubs, as they were sometimes off work. By sometimes, I mean that some nightclubs would open at midnight...

concussion · 03-03-2010 09:48AM

When you work in the bar industry, Good Friday and Christmas Day are a relief! Cancelled out by New Years and Paddies Day unfortunately.

NewDirection · 03-03-2010 04:34PM

Stab*City wrote: »

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/Pubs-angry-about-loss-of.6113729.jp

Mayor Kiely has criticised the "outdated" and "stupid" laws which prevent alcohol being served on Good Friday.
"We have to move on from this situation. As far as I am concerned, these laws are outdated and ridiculous, and if we have to compete as a modern European city, we have to forget about these stupid laws," he said.

No big secret that this fella has many connections in the pub trade as he used to own one of the roughest pubs in the city (Treaty Bar).. But to challenge our laws for the price of a pint!! This guy needs to go.. along with the rest who are ruining this town from city hall..

He's not wrong!

NewDirection · 03-03-2010 04:35PM

billy the squid wrote: »

Tom O'Donnell has the power to grant a five hour allowance for the pubs on Good Friday according to the paper.

7-12 seems fair enough.

Who is this tom O Donnell, how does he have these powers, and how do I get them?

Gregor Samsa · 03-03-2010 05:00PM

the_syco wrote: »

The question that you must ask yourself is this: do we still get the day off if we're allowed to drink on that day. At the moment, the two days that pubs are closed, we also don't have work.

Good Friday isn't a public holiday in Ireland. I'd say there are few companies (apart from pubs) where employees have the day off.

manna452121 · 03-03-2010 06:17PM

Tom O Donnell is a local judge.

mike kelly · 05-03-2010 09:05AM

Paulegend wrote: »

listen this should all be in the other thread since its the exact same arguement.

but if you are religious DONT GO TO THE PUB ON GOOD FRIDAY

by argueing that the pub should be closed on good friday it says more about the religious that they cant stay out of an open pub than it does about us souless pagens:D

its a ridiculous law. we are a multicultural society. we have jewish, christian, muslim and even scientologists in this country. why does one religion rule the others??? i wonder if Italy and Spain close their pubs on good friday??

if i switch to scientology can i go to the pub on good friday?? ill do it!!!!!!!

I enjoyed a couple of pints in Rome last Christmas day so I doubt that the close on Good Friday. In Spain they certainly don't.

magma69 · 05-03-2010 09:14AM

I don't think the argument of the economic repercussions or the ban argument holds up. The ban should be lifted because it is completely asinine. Even if our local economy is booming it should be lifted. Not everyone is a Catholic, their right to go to the pub should not be taken away from them on the grounds of a law based in religion.

On a more general note, I think people are generally sick of the involvement of the church in our government. Most are in favour of the separation of church and state. It is the 21st century after all.

Raiser · 05-03-2010 12:04PM

magma69 wrote: »

I don't think the argument of the economic repercussions or the ban argument holds up. The ban should be lifted because it is completely asinine. Even if our local economy is booming it should be lifted. Not everyone is a Catholic, their right to go to the pub should not be taken away from them on the grounds of a law based in religion.

On a more general note, I think people are generally sick of the involvement of the church in our government. Most are in favour of the separation of church and state. It is the 21st century after all.

Surely the only sane, just and "Christian" in the valid sense of the word solution is for the Church to sell all of their Land, Churches and assorted Property so that they can at least begin to try and adequately compensate their Victims of physical and sexual abuse.

- I'd like to see a for sale sign on every Church and Convent in the Land and for People to be spiritual on their own initiative if they so please.

billy the squid · 05-03-2010 01:41PM

the irony of it all is that before the council meeting they had a "silent prayer"

think they do this at every meeting.

Mayor Kevin Kiely vs. Good Friday

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