You are a Bar/Late Night Venue/Night Club Owner

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 12:53PM #1

Now..there could have been 2 ways to do this:

1. You have tons of money and can run the bar however you want.
2. The venue has been left to you in a will so it's yours...but you will still have to pay the current rent, and exemptions if you want to stay open late. Among your costs will be DJs, Bands, Dancers, Staff, whatever you want to have in your bar really.

So, your objective is to pick a location in the city (it can be empty at the moment, something else - like a book shop

- or in can be a venue atm), and tell us what you would do to make it Waterford's Premier night spot

How would you decorate it - internal & external
Would you have loads of screens like masons? Or none like Geoffs?
Would you have bands like Ruby Lounge? Or none like Geoffs?
Would you have Djs like Rubys, Harveys or Escape? Or none like Geoffs?
Would you serve food like Revolution or Geoffs? Or none like Harveys?

It's your venue now, you can do what you want with it...but it has to make money. If your bar sounds like a good one, that the reader would frequent, then your post will get a thanks. If not, it won't.

Give your venue a name as well...in a few weeks time, Sully or Aquos can add a poll and we'll see who's venue is the best.

Now remember, if your bar is going to be wall to wall rock...you're probably not going to get the hen nights or big groups of girls or a lot of factory - what we call occasional diverse groups.

Go on...create the best damn venue you can. But remember, I'll be after ya all the way with annoying questions about how you plan to pay your security and exemptions and all that...

Enjoy

ziedth · 03-03-2010 01:19PM

This is going to be a bit of a laugh. I'll think about it! Would anyone working in the industry know what kind of margins they get on beer on spirits? IE if I sell a pint for €4 it costs me what?

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 01:31PM

Based on a €4 pint

Government €1.16
Brewery €1.14
Wages and PRSI €0.52
Utilities, rates, insurance, repairs, waste €0.41.
Entertainment and Professional... €0.33
Other costs €0.15
Publican Net Profit/Rent €0.29.

rayc · 03-03-2010 02:07PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Wages and PRSI €0.52
Utilities, rates, insurance, repairs, waste €0.41.
Entertainment and Professional... €0.33
Other costs €0.15
Publican Net Profit/Rent €0.29.

How can you have a flat rate per pint on these though, surely they are completely dependent on how many pints you sell per week/month!? Might be better to just factor the beer-related charges and then calculate the other costs separately...?

ziedth · 03-03-2010 02:46PM

I guess for the purpose of this thread we will say they are the costs regardless of stock/sales/size etc

make it so we are all signing off the same hymn sheet.

nkay1985 · 03-03-2010 02:57PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Based on a €4 pint

Government €1.16
Brewery €1.14
Wages and PRSI €0.52
Utilities, rates, insurance, repairs, waste €0.41.
Entertainment and Professional... €0.33
Other costs €0.15
Publican Net Profit/Rent €0.29.

Are those numbers plucked from thin air or what? Like say I want to charge €4 for a pint, how much of that is mine after I've paid for it and paid the government duty?

rayc · 03-03-2010 03:03PM

Ziedth. wrote: »

I guess for the purpose of this thread we will say they are the costs regardless of stock/sales/size etc

make it so we are all signing off the same hymn sheet.

I understand, not trying to be awkward, but if you used the profit margins assumed above these include, for instance, entertainment at 33c per pint. There's a big difference between a stereo in the corner and a live band every night under 'Entertainment'. Surely just sticking to the base price (cost + tax) and letting people work out the additional costs would be a better approach??

south · 03-03-2010 03:07PM

you'd wonder how the cove and the likes are selling it for €3.25 so :eek:

ziedth · 03-03-2010 03:08PM

Good point.

I guess of you want to run a quiet pub you can cut that 0.33.

GP from that niall would be if we sell a pint for 4 it's costing us 2.30!

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 03:09PM

nkay1985 wrote: »

Are those numbers plucked from thin air or what? Like say I want to charge €4 for a pint, how much of that is mine after I've paid for it and paid the government duty?

Not really plucked from the air..but really not far off. It will depend on the venue.

We don't have to get too specific about these things....just go with what you want and we can perform the autopsy afterwards. We can also consider things like Sky boxes and setanta boxes etc. (The cost of Sky differs from venue to venue also - it's determined by the value of your licence. The bigger the venue usually means the higher price you pay for a sky sub)

mozattack · 03-03-2010 04:27PM

Lads,

Accountant here with experience of doing the audit on all of the major pubs in Waterford as I have worked in three different accountancy firms who had them as clients.

Rule of thumb really is that overall drink margins for rural pubs or pub without a late licence (so less spirits are sold) is around 55% - 59%. Margin for the other forms of pubs (e.g. Harvey, Muldoons, Rubys etc) should be in the region of 65%.

Therefore, sales of €100, gross profit of €55 - €59 for "rural" pubs and €65+ for others.

mozattack · 03-03-2010 04:29PM

I like this idea by the way - quiet fun. Maybe Bob Tweedy could enter, but then again, maybe not!

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 04:52PM

Thanks for that Mozattack.

Still waiting for the first application for a licence

nkay1985 · 03-03-2010 05:27PM

mozattack wrote: »

Lads,

Accountant here with experience of doing the audit on all of the major pubs in Waterford as I have worked in three different accountancy firms who had them as clients.

Rule of thumb really is that overall drink margins for rural pubs or pub without a late licence (so less spirits are sold) is around 55% - 59%. Margin for the other forms of pubs (e.g. Harvey, Muldoons, Rubys etc) should be in the region of 65%.

Therefore, sales of €100, gross profit of €55 - €59 for "rural" pubs and €65+ for others.

Cool. So taking Ziedth's original question of how much of the €4.00 from a pint is his it's:
€2.20 @ 55%.
€2.60 @ 65%.

@abouttobebanned: You said this pub/club/whatever has to make money yeah?

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 05:30PM

Oh yeah

ziedth · 03-03-2010 05:45PM

I'll do it up tonight!

Do we have a cap on start up money? It will be to easy I'd money is no object

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 06:02PM

Ziedth. wrote: »

I'll do it up tonight!

Do we have a cap on start up money? It will be to easy I'd money is no object

Ok - this isn't going to be easy. If we put a cap on your money we'll then have to put a price on security, renovations, rent entertainment etc...and that will be a bit time consuming.

However, there's nothing stopping people from saying they'll have LED walls and a big fcuk off aquarium behind the bar...any ideas on how we can put a leash on this?

Fajitas! · 03-03-2010 06:27PM

Right, I'll bite.

Buy John Hearns on the Quay. You've got a decent amount of room, two floors up, and afaik, there's a basement. That's the keg room sorted in the basement. AFAIK, there's only one toilet on the first floor, but plenty of room on the second, along with room for stock.

First bar is the main room as you enter. Bar opens at 1300. Soup of the day served, along with toasted sandwiches 'til 6. Good quality, but a decent profit is still managable. Bar can be run by one person. Good coffee...scratch that, the best coffee you'll get in the town. Purely because it'll save me making the best coffee in town at home :pac:

Basic renovations. Somewhat like Geoffs, but not because it's anything like Geoffs. Nearest example. Music? Nothing loud, nothing intrusive, nothing offensive. If I have to raise my voice to talk over it, it's too much.

Second area opens up on the right as you go in. One projector/screen for matches. Not every match, not any match, it's not a sports pub. Space availible if someone did want to play a set there. Again, nothing too loud, too intrusive, or offensive.

The second bar can open up down the very back, from Thurs/Fri/Sat/Special occasions.

License only wanted/needed 'til standard closing hours.

Drinks availible? Standard affair of beers/wines/spirits, as per the rest of town. A few speciality beers on tap that can change seasonally, along with a house beer/ale from an Irish microbrewery. Drink prices set to standard. If the average price goes down, so be it. If it goes up, it goes up.

Oh. Name. Couldn't change that. Hearns Hardwear.

The only thing it couldn't have is a smoking area.

slavetothegrind · 03-03-2010 06:43PM

Now to be sucessful hire only friendly efficient professional staff.

You will pay a little more but he ( or she) will earn it several times over by keeping customers.

Or you could have topless barmaids but there goes the demographic....

Also. Aforementioned sandwiches are of the batch ham and cheese toastie in plastic.
This is your classic irish special, special to you because no-one does it anymore. served with a few crisps on the side.

Then after say 6.00 you will periodically come out with baskets of unbelievably salty cocktail sausages and chips to keep punters happy and thirsty but full so no need to go home.

In with this add an experienced professional security team to keep out the dreggs who will try to infest the place with their barred arses on opening.

Give us a classic pub for fecks sake!
We are not in an episode of Miami Vice, we want to feel like we are in a pub!
So keep it classic, clean, and pubby. Feck off with your neon ****e!

Oh and finally, try and keep the jacks respectable!

NOw let me know when you open and i'll grace the nearest barstool with my hairy arse and declare my need for a pint of plain and a classic toastie!

ziedth · 03-03-2010 06:55PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Ok - this isn't going to be easy. If we put a cap on your money we'll then have to put a price on security, renovations, rent entertainment etc...and that will be a bit time consuming.

However, there's nothing stopping people from saying they'll have LED walls and a big fcuk off aquarium behind the bar...any ideas on how we can put a leash on this?

I guess just keep it in reason, like you can't turn around and say I'd buy the old cinema and put in 6 bars with 6 different types of music. Which would be cool though

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 07:01PM

Fajitas! wrote: »

Right, I'll bite.

Buy John Hearns on the Quay. You've got a decent amount of room, two floors up, and afaik, there's a basement. That's the keg room sorted in the basement. AFAIK, there's only one toilet on the first floor, but plenty of room on the second, along with room for stock.

First bar is the main room as you enter. Bar opens at 1300. Soup of the day served, along with toasted sandwiches 'til 6. Good quality, but a decent profit is still managable. Bar can be run by one person. Good coffee...scratch that, the best coffee you'll get in the town. Purely because it'll save me making the best coffee in town at home :pac:

Basic renovations. Somewhat like Geoffs, but not because it's anything like Geoffs. Nearest example. Music? Nothing loud, nothing intrusive, nothing offensive. If I have to raise my voice to talk over it, it's too much.

Second area opens up on the right as you go in. One projector/screen for matches. Not every match, not any match, it's not a sports pub. Space availible if someone did want to play a set there. Again, nothing too loud, too intrusive, or offensive.

The second bar can open up down the very back, from Thurs/Fri/Sat/Special occasions.

License only wanted/needed 'til standard closing hours.

Drinks availible? Standard affair of beers/wines/spirits, as per the rest of town. A few speciality beers on tap that can change seasonally, along with a house beer/ale from an Irish microbrewery. Drink prices set to standard. If the average price goes down, so be it. If it goes up, it goes up.

Oh. Name. Couldn't change that. Hearns Hardwear.

The only thing it couldn't have is a smoking area.

Suppose my main concerns would be how much it would cost to renovate the place and also its location. The nearest bars to you would be the Belfy and somewhere like Jordans. For the average saturday night punter it would be a bit of a trek in the rain to get there and then move onto the next spot. For that reason alone I'm afraid your bar would probably fail. :mad:

slavetothegrind wrote:

Now to be sucessful hire only friendly efficient professional staff.

You will pay a little more but he ( or she) will earn it several times over by keeping customers.

Or you could have topless barmaids but there goes the demographic....

Also. Aforementioned sandwiches are of the batch ham and cheese toastie in plastic.
This is your classic irish special, special to you because no-one does it anymore. served with a few crisps on the side.

Then after say 6.00 you will periodically come out with baskets of unbelievably salty cocktail sausages and chips to keep punters happy and thirsty but full so no need to go home.

In with this add an experienced professional security team to keep out the dreggs who will try to infest the place with their barred arses on opening.

Give us a classic pub for fecks sake!
We are not in an episode of Miami Vice, we want to feel like we are in a pub!
So keep it classic, clean, and pubby. Feck off with your neon ****e!

Oh and finally, try and keep the jacks respectable!

NOw let me know when you open and i'll grace the nearest barstool with my hairy arse and declare my need for a pint of plain and a classic toastie!

First off...where would you locate this bar?

kryogen · 03-03-2010 07:41PM

isnt there some sort of market research forum elsewhere on this site?

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 07:44PM

kryogen wrote: »

isnt there some sort of market research forum elsewhere on this site?

?

Fajitas! · 03-03-2010 08:18PM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Suppose my main concerns would be how much it would cost to renovate the place and also its location. The nearest bars to you would be the Belfy and somewhere like Jordans. For the average saturday night punter it would be a bit of a trek in the rain to get there and then move onto the next spot. For that reason alone I'm afraid your bar would probably fail. :mad:

It depends what crowd you want tbh. You're looking at it from the 'everyone's for a mad one for the weekend' point of view.

As for renovation, you're not going to need too much if you're going for a bar 'full of character'. It's a structurally sound building. The installation of a cool room, dumbwaiter for crates and kegs, tap system and a good till system, along with furniture are going to be the most part. Still far cheaper than building your own. Or installing fish tanks in every wall, and lining them with LEDs...

It's target audience isn't the average saturday night punter. As for location, look at T&H's, Jordans, Murphy's, etc. Or maybe Nells......

ziedth · 03-03-2010 08:43PM

My theory:

Building: The Old Stand

Has the ground work already, nicely spaced, upstairs area, IIRC there is a yard at the back that could be converted into a smoking area.

Style: Mixed

First floor, Cross between hotel lobby and sports bar. IE comfy seats few plasma screens dotted around and a projector.

I would have a rectangular bar in an island like harveys front bar and here is the hook on one side i'd have it traditional but on the other i'd have a system of constanly moving (kinda like in a concert) for when it gets busy.

Upstairs, I'd cater for live discos. this wold have a simialr style to ruby lounge. I'd limit the seating as much as possible and keep it to vsrious standing areas and stools.

Running the place:

I would undercut all nightclubs by at least .20c if not .50c a drink and encourage buying rounds kinda like that promotion red bull were doing with the weel for €20. I would keep downstairs free of loud music but still a decent vibe and have it somewhat relaxed while upstairs basically everything I hate about harveys on a sat night(to bring in the money).

On a friday I would have a live band. The best pub band I could get at the time Play them dowstairs in the evening and same setup as saturday night later on.

For student nights I would operate the strictest door policy known to man.

Always let in the attractive (thats right I said it) ladies but not all men if they are in anyway messy. this would hopefully give the place a classy look on a student night and word would quickly spread that this is where all the fit wans go.

I would have a zero scumbag policy all nights, you know the kind.

What I would hope to get out of this is people to have the option to have a quiet pint downstairs but still keep everyone else happy going to their harveys clone upstairs.

I wouldn't bother with food, to much competition. Maybe for matches downstairs I would do sausages and goujons to order at a crazy high markup.

Aquos76 · 03-03-2010 10:27PM

This is turning out to be a good thread after all, when I first say it I thought to myself, abouttobebanned on another bashing mission on the nightlife scene in Waterford(or lack of, as the case actually is)

abouttobebanned · 03-03-2010 11:24PM

:-(

baronflyguy · 04-03-2010 01:01AM

To me, The Left Bank in Kilkenny is topic notch with all its zones (loud music, no music chill out, TVs zone to watch sports, large open smoking area, class toilets etc), its size and layout. It would be great to something similar in Waterford.

I cant think of any venue here in Waterford where you could mimic it :-(

Ledger · 04-03-2010 12:05PM

ok so i'll throw me name into the hat too.

Location: The Toddle. Lower Yellow Road.
Perfect location for people on their way into town and going home to all the areas up round there and perfect for those trying to stay away from the toen centre on a saturday night.

Layout:

Keep the current leyout pretty much as is except for a few changes:

Remove small dingy off licence from left of the bar and move to a side entrance on laneway at the left into that old kitchen at the back of the bar.
Front bar will be kept as is there will be a smal LCD screen on the right for horse racing during the day and when there is not a major sports event on. There will then be a larger screen in the main area for sport.
The back bar will remain as is also, keeping the pool table, dart board and jukebox as i think they are just not enough of them round anymore and can be very popular. This area can also then be used for functions.
The smoking area at in the back will be completely re-roofed and some kind of sectioning off of the rest of the yard stopping too much of a draught coming in through there. There will also be a big wood burning stove with a grille all arond to stop anyone leaning on it and getting burned.

Services:

During the week opening time will be at one o clock hopefully gaining some of the horsey crowd during the slow weekday afternoons.Weekend opening will be twelve catering for the early premiership matches.
Drinks served will be all the regulars with a "Beer of the Month" kind of offer where a certain obscure beer will be sold at a discount price, perhaps around 20% off the regular price, when bought in a round of 5 or more.
Simple tasty bar food seved everyday, from opening till 7 o clock in the evening. This will include;chips; sausages; chicken goujons; panninis; plain and toasted sanwiches and two soups of the day.
The Off licence will be operated by a bell or buzzer therefore requiring only one person to operate the bar during the day.
Special prices on drinks and food will be offered to anyone who wishes to use the back bar for a function.
Live band every saturday night in the back bar and DJ every friday night with the pool table being moved and setting up there. Music will not be too loud but will create an atmospehe in the background anyone who wants a quieter drink can remain in the front bar away from the music.
Late licence on a saturday and friday night only.
One member of security on the door on friday and saturday nights keeping out any undesirables who may be passing.

Prices:
Prices will be reasonable and will be regular prices for a pub nothing like nightclub prices.
Also, food will be cheap and a certain ammount of complimentary food will be served up during big matches etc...
No fee for booking a function.

Ledger

ROCKMAN · 04-03-2010 12:49PM

Sorry the take away buzzer/bell is the most annoying thing ever to grace a pub , After one or two hours listening to one randomly go off , as a punter you'll go mad and feel like killing someone ..... trust me .

Ledger · 04-03-2010 12:54PM

hmmmm you could have a point there actually. . . . .

mozattack · 04-03-2010 06:12PM

Live music simply doesn't work in pubs.. the most popular pubs (Kasbar, Geoffs, Masons (once) & Harveys) do not have live music.

Also a decent band costs in the region of €500 per night so you would need to increase turnover by €750 to break even, excluding additional salaries for staff and security to cover the additional numbers etc.

south · 04-03-2010 06:28PM

the Kazbar and Mason's have live music every weekend.. The Straw Dogs & Blue Print in the kazbar this weekend and Revolver in mason's

ziedth · 04-03-2010 06:42PM

mozattack wrote: »

Live music simply doesn't work in pubs.. the most popular pubs (Kasbar, Geoffs, Masons (once) & Harveys) do not have live music.

Also a decent band costs in the region of €500 per night so you would need to increase turnover by €750 to break even, excluding additional salaries for staff and security to cover the additional numbers etc.

Ruby lounge do ok out of it by the look of it.

Ledger · 04-03-2010 07:08PM

no i disagree, if the music is good and appeals to most tastes and is not too loud then it csn have a positive effect on business.

Ledger

kitty_kilkenny · 04-03-2010 09:29PM

Great thread

My fantasy pub - no TV, music not too loud. comfy seats, card nights, clean toilets.
I shouldn't be let out really...I sound like my granny

citylad · 04-03-2010 10:25PM

ill take the rugby club on Parnell st
Sould buy it for less than 700,000
design & fit out at about 400,000
loan of 1.2m (start up stock etc of 100,000)

design brief -
sort of church like, keeping the essence of the building ,
accentuate this with lots of couches (ones you can sink into)
low lighting at night with candles around the place

Music policy
easy listening jazz during the day
funky house music at night time, audible but not too loud
let the building echo peoeples voices.

Food Service,
light brunch, bacon & eggs, scrambled eggs benedict,
open sandwiches, range of soups, seafood chowder, veggie type and meat type like goulash soup of something, good comfort food

beer prices to reflect the inner city set up with larger on draught for €4.50 etc

good range of nice wines by the glass or bottle
choice of world beers, made to order cocktails (€7-€10)

regualar opening hours from 10.30am - 11.30pm
late opening on fri & sat night

Bar is Called "The Church",
tagline
"a place to water the body and nourish the Soul"

i'll add to the concept as i get more time

Sully · 04-03-2010 11:22PM

kryogen wrote: »

isnt there some sort of market research forum elsewhere on this site?

Probably, but I think the topic has its fun side even if its going to be partly used for research. On that basis, I think its fine anyway.

abouttobebanned · 04-03-2010 11:31PM

Unless one of us wins the lotto I don't think it will be used for research here

AdMMM · 05-03-2010 05:22AM

I'd turn back time and **** Penneys out of it and open up Egans again. That place was making more money than any other pub in Waterford at the time it closed but when you're offered a substantial 7-8 figure sum, I think you'd be pretty quick to sell!

abouttobebanned · 05-03-2010 10:29AM

AdMMM wrote: »

I'd turn back time and **** Penneys out of it and open up Egans again. That place was making more money than any other pub in Waterford at the time it closed but when you're offered a substantial 7-8 figure sum, I think you'd be pretty quick to sell!

Egans was dying on its arse at the time it was closed...

savic04 · 05-03-2010 11:24AM

its funny how people on this make Waterford out to be so crap... as someone involved in nitelife in the town(albeit at a dance level) instead of coming up with fantasy idea's that will never happen, why not start supporting whats left of the local scene.... who knows if the town's pubs n clubs start returning to decent numbers, maybe the said pubs and clubs would start listening to the punters more and more... and these ideas may not be so fantasy afterall....

lets face it Waterford is really small locality in terms of pub these days, but each weekend, there are DJs playing techno/house for the dance crowd, there are plenty of quiet pubs for the people want it, there is Harveys/rubys lounge for the commercial side of things... EA/Rubys lounge has decent live acts week in week out.... Revolution/Escape has a very modern venue with different things on nightly and a new clubspace out the back for dance music in a modern comfy venue which the town has been craving for years.... there isnt a whole lot left to be on offer in terms of late night spots anyway.. i think one or two more decent pubs with no late licences are whats needed close to town, but the ones that were there closed down for a reason.

Ledger · 05-03-2010 11:33AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Egans was dying on its arse at the time it was closed...

I agree it was, we were delivering the beer in there and what they were doing was not enough to break even imho, they got out at the right time when penny offered.

Anywho, the reids still have the belfry which gets a lot of bus tours and tourists and then Eddie Reid has Bothar Buidhe in cleaboy, which is doing a steady trade.

Ledger

PTH2009 · 05-03-2010 05:33PM

I will take the Old Cinema on Patrick Street.
Buy it for 800,000
Knock it down and build from Strach. 1.4 Million
Stock Cost loan of 400.000

Have 5 Areas

Downstairs Area 1- Open at 12 O Clock. Would be a Pub/restraut area which would serve food and drinks till about 9pm at night and from 9pm would be a normal hours pub which would play no music be a place for a chat. would fit aprox 340 people.

Downstairs Area 2- Would open from 7pm to 3am. This would be a place where local rock bands, and tribute bands would play. It would fit aprox 500 people and would also contain an outside smoking area. Would be Nightclub Hours and would contain 2 bars.

Upstairs Area 3- Would open from 10.30pm till 3am at night and would be the nightclub area and would fit aprox 1000 people which would also include a dancefloor and a special chill out room. This area would include 4 bars and a small bar outside in the chill out room. Also there would be a smoking area outside. This place will contain Djs.

Upstairs Area 4- Would be the Sports Area. It would be a place where football rugby and Gaa matches would be on the big screens. This area would contain 2 big screens and 4 small screens. There would be a spcial divide in there for events that fall on the same day ie if a rugby and football match were on the same day. This place would conatain 2 bars and a smoking area. This area would be only open on days when matches are on and would be open from 12 o clock to 11.30pm. It would fit aprox 1000 people.

Upstairs Area 5- Would be a small Auditorium/ Private Room that would play host to Comedians, Fashion Shows and Private Partys. These area will contain a revolving stage that could be used as a dancefloor when there are private partys on. Also a long bar would be avilable. It would fit aprox 800 people and 1000 for partys.

I would charge 4.00 a pint and have a lot of special offers. It would cost 10 euro to go into the nightclub.

Ledger · 05-03-2010 06:43PM

@PTH2009

So i take it this is after you win the lotto yea?

:rolleyes:

Ledger

abouttobebanned · 05-03-2010 07:39PM

Bloody good idea for a bar though.

Musicman2000 · 05-03-2010 08:19PM

Have agree, top place for a club, and I dont think you would have to knock the building , just gutt it out and good refit, but would it be to far to walk for the sheep of Waterford:)

twitch1984 · 05-03-2010 08:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

I will take the Old Cinema on Patrick Street.
Buy it for 800,000
Knock it down and build from Strach. 1.4 Million
Stock Cost loan of 400.000

Have 5 Areas

Downstairs Area 1- Open at 12 O Clock. Would be a Pub/restraut area which would serve food and drinks till about 9pm at night and from 9pm would be a normal hours pub which would play no music be a place for a chat. would fit aprox 340 people.

Downstairs Area 2- Would open from 7pm to 3am. This would be a place where local rock bands, and tribute bands would play. It would fit aprox 500 people and would also contain an outside smoking area. Would be Nightclub Hours and would contain 2 bars.

Upstairs Area 3- Would open from 10.30pm till 3am at night and would be the nightclub area and would fit aprox 1000 people which would also include a dancefloor and a special chill out room. This area would include 4 bars and a small bar outside in the chill out room. Also there would be a smoking area outside. This place will contain Djs.

Upstairs Area 4- Would be the Sports Area. It would be a place where football rugby and Gaa matches would be on the big screens. This area would contain 2 big screens and 4 small screens. There would be a spcial divide in there for events that fall on the same day ie if a rugby and football match were on the same day. This place would conatain 2 bars and a smoking area. This area would be only open on days when matches are on and would be open from 12 o clock to 11.30pm. It would fit aprox 1000 people.

Upstairs Area 5- Would be a small Auditorium/ Private Room that would play host to Comedians, Fashion Shows and Private Partys. These area will contain a revolving stage that could be used as a dancefloor when there are private partys on. Also a long bar would be avilable. It would fit aprox 800 people and 1000 for partys.

I would charge 4.00 a pint and have a lot of special offers. It would cost 10 euro to go into the nightclub.

sounds like a bloody good plan
WHEN I win the euro millions tonight, I will put up thecapital for that:D

But seriously sounds cool

Hoffmans · 07-03-2010 08:41PM

Ziedth. wrote: »

My theory:

Building: The Old Stand

Has the ground work already, nicely spaced, upstairs area, IIRC there is a yard at the back that could be converted into a smoking area.

Style: Mixed

First floor, Cross between hotel lobby and sports bar. IE comfy seats few plasma screens dotted around and a projector.

I would have a rectangular bar in an island like harveys front bar and here is the hook on one side i'd have it traditional but on the other i'd have a system of constanly moving (kinda like in a concert) for when it gets busy.

Upstairs, I'd cater for live discos. this wold have a simialr style to ruby lounge. I'd limit the seating as much as possible and keep it to vsrious standing areas and stools.

Running the place:

I would undercut all nightclubs by at least .20c if not .50c a drink and encourage buying rounds kinda like that promotion red bull were doing with the weel for €20. I would keep downstairs free of loud music but still a decent vibe and have it somewhat relaxed while upstairs basically everything I hate about harveys on a sat night(to bring in the money).

On a friday I would have a live band. The best pub band I could get at the time Play them dowstairs in the evening and same setup as saturday night later on.

For student nights I would operate the strictest door policy known to man.

Always let in the attractive (thats right I said it) ladies but not all men if they are in anyway messy. this would hopefully give the place a classy look on a student night and word would quickly spread that this is where all the fit wans go.

I would have a zero scumbag policy all nights, you know the kind.

What I would hope to get out of this is people to have the option to have a quiet pint downstairs but still keep everyone else happy going to their harveys clone upstairs.

I wouldn't bother with food, to much competition. Maybe for matches downstairs I would do sausages and goujons to order at a crazy high markup.

think youve just described the kazbah there...

ziedth · 07-03-2010 09:43PM

I don't think so man,

Maybe in seating yes. But apart from that not so much!

daisy1984 · 08-03-2010 12:43AM

I was in a club in ennis in clare I think last year and it was fab, it was like a converted old liberary but it was a nightclub and it had weird sayings and such but was like a liberary its hard to explain but it was a great place for a laugh and it was packed! It had 3 levels I think into different themes of music. Ya had the oldies but goodies, dance, and the lastest music from the charts! And it was free to get in!

Also I think promo nights are great such as miller and tia maria etc Iv been to a few of those in Tipp ah few years back they were brilliant, breathing fire, dancers, illusionists it was fab. Its not only bout music and drinking its bout entertainment aswell!

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