Caprica S01E09 "End Of line" [US] *Spoilers*

nice cliffhanger, six months is a bit of a dose though,

thought it was a solid enough episode, the STO story was good, the power struggle should be great now that barnabus tired to kill clarice without permission, i can se him breaking away from the STO by himself,

it will be very interesting to see what daniel will do now, hes lost the bucs, and its looking like he about to loose his company, the best part of it is that neither daniel or vergis know how to make a working cylon yet, vergis chip works but only with some sort of sentience inside it that is able to learn, daniel might know what how it works, but has no template to create another avatar to put in abother body,

also will be interesting to see how the amanda storyline plays out, i know shes annoying as hell, but so was baltar at first, and this being in the BSG universe of ronald moore, amanda probably did see a ghost,

it does suck that it wont be back for 6 months, and i can deal with that, but its the casual viewer that watch it live in america, the people that the show lives and dies with, they might not be so pleased to wait 6 months, therefore ratings could take another big dip when it returns,

don ramo wrote: »

nice cliffhanger, six months is a bit of a dose though,

thought it was a solid enough episode, the STO story was good, the power struggle should be great now that barnabus tired to kill clarice without permission, i can se him breaking away from the STO by himself,

it will be very interesting to see what daniel will do now, hes lost the bucs, and its looking like he about to loose his company, the best part of it is that neither daniel or vergis know how to make a working cylon yet, vergis chip works but only with some sort of sentience inside it that is able to learn, daniel might know what how it works, but has no template to create another avatar to put in abother body,

also will be interesting to see how the amanda storyline plays out, i know shes annoying as hell, but so was baltar at first, and this being in the BSG universe of ronald moore, amanda probably did see a ghost,

it does suck that it wont be back for 6 months, and i can deal with that, but its the casual viewer that watch it live in america, the people that the show lives and dies with, they might not be so pleased to wait 6 months, therefore ratings could take another big dip when it returns,

from what I can see evolving, perhaps Vergis will get the contract and with Amanda maybe being dead what will Daniel do to get Zoë back?
If Amanda is dead, could we maybe see an Amanda avatar? Is this how we get different model cylons?!

Sci Fi have been doing the break for years though haven't they? I mean season 2 and 3 of Battlestar had it, it was even longer in season 4 cos of the strike.

Didn't love that episode either - and I have generally like dit up til now.

The murder of the boy nice and extreme, Clarice still annoys me.

Cylon is kind of limber ain't it?

Not sure where they are going now, the Cylon doesn't look like it could be force back if it didn't want to be.

That's a long time to wait for the rest of the season.

Amanda will be fine (unfortunately), the chip and Zoe will be fine.

I saw the V-world twist coming, Evelyn wanted to know what Joseph wanted from the kid, so it wasn't a big leap that she'd follow him in. Especially with her comment about not actually looking like that. Oh well, got the mediocre SGU to cover the sci-fi fix.

methinks actually that amanda will die, then daniel will make her an avatar that he will then use as a template to push the cylons into full production,

don ramo wrote: »

methinks actually that amanda will die, then daniel will make her an avatar that he will then use as a template to push the cylons into full production,

I totally agree with this!

tvnutz wrote: »

That was a finale to keep us going for 6 months? Pfft! 9 episodes of this show and nothing actually interesting happened. The characters are useless,the stories are rubbish. The only reason I have stuck with it is because of how good BSG was,I think Ill give it one more episode when they come back and if it isn't anyway half decent Im done with it.

I actually thought BSG had a bit of a slow start. Not this slow, but still.

i wonder why most of the new show released in the last 2 or so years, are alway cribbed and moaned about as being to slow, yet any show that starts out like a greyhound out of the block, is also cribbed and moaned about being to fast,

maybe everyone should write to all the studios and explain exactly what pace they would like each show to move at,

personally i think the show is moving at a good pace, i dont think it would work if josef was a judge right at the start of the series, or if daniel had the cylons in full production within the first 2 epsodes,(these things will happen over time, josef may not even become a judge during this series)

the cylons are a race that were created by humans, and evolved, that is what this show is about, if your expecting space battles and hugh cylons fleets, i honestly think you may aswell not bother watching this show any further, cause even of it does happen it will very minimal, the show is named after a planet, and therefore will be based primarily on the planet in question,


EDIT: this is a sci-fi drama action series, thus far weve seen all of these,

Didn't Ronald D. Moore even say himself that Caprica is supposed to a family drama, NOT a space battle show.

Edit: found this video
http://io9.com/5220701/ron-d-moore-explains-what-the-frak-caprica-is-with-new-clips


"different tone and pace to BSG"

noodler wrote: »

God yeah, thats fairly well-known.

I thought so too, but lots of posts seem to be calling for space battles!?

It needs more SPLOSIONS!

I like it so far anyway. That last episode was a bit of a mixed bag (some powerful emotional stuff mixed in with a lot of boring stuff) but there have been quite a few strong episodes.

Its not just the lack of action - its just isn't doing the drama that (that BSG had between characters) as well.

Another thing: We know that Cylons are built that rebel and they (for some reason, now likely to be Zoe/STO) believe in one god.

Now that doesn't give the executives alot to work with IMO, I mean the path they are going down to show how the Cylons are going to believe in a single god has already gone down places I couldn't really have conceived personally. I just wonder how many series (even if it is not cancelled) they can get out of that aspect.

Apart from some of the scenes in the Plan on some of the colonies I have always thought the BSG/Captrica CGI was excellent.

What wa sit in the latest episode that looked out of place for you?

EDIT: Something in Virtual world maybe.

noodler wrote: »

Apart from some of the scenes in the Plan on some of the colonies I have always thought the BSG/Captrica CGI was excellent.

What wa sit in the latest episode that looked out of place for you?

Yeah, most of it is very good. Just a few times in this episode I thought it stood out, which is never what you want.

The scenes when driving stick in my mind. In particular the U87 in the truck. Ariel shots and various others seemed to be totally computer generated? The truck, the road, the ships flying above, everything. Something about the movement of objects and the reflections of light in these scenes snapped me out of the moment and then I was just checking out the computer graphics.

Also the robot itself.. as someone else said, seems a little limber. A lack of apparent mass in CGI is a bugbear of mine. If you're going to have a massive multi-tonne looking monstrous robot, don't have it pulling these quick ninja moves all-of-a-sudden, or operating a truck like it's second nature. Was surprised enough to see it fit in the seat.

EDIT: Something in Virtual world maybe.

V-World gets away with it imo . Some of it certainly *looks* computer generated but then... it is computer generated, so that's alright.

I also think the Cylon CGI could be better. I actually thought the same when the old style Cylon was in BSG. TOO shiney or something. Just looks cartoony.

The whole Cylon escape scene was poor CGI. The camera movements are too over the top with Zoom-ins and impossible real life-angles. They don't move the camera around like that when its real life so why do it for CGI bits. I'm not good at explaining what I mean but it bugs the schit out of me.

Ah well. Time to leave the thread for 6 months. :mad:

I was a bit underwhelmed, and unlike many here I was actually rather enjoying the series as it progressed, after being very dubious having watched the pilot.

I was very disappointed that they've finally ended the Amanda character like this, from the start she felt like a prop for other characters to spur the plot along with no depth or story-line herself to draw the viewer in. I kept waiting each episode to see some development of her character, but her only real use has been to jog others stories along, in announcing her daughters role in the bombing, in furthering Clarices plot, and apparently now in driving Daniel to his next move with her death. It's possible the hazy backstory involving her brother will be used to create some neat dovetailed plot circle but she never felt in any way an integral part of the plot herself, and even if they were aware she was to be killed off it lessens the impact or shock when it occurs.

Overall it just felt too much like a conscious attempt to ramp too many threads at once to their cliffhanger points to the detriment of impact and tension. A lot of people seem critical of the pacing thusfar but I've rather enjoyed the ebb and flow of tension, moving on past events only to have them resurface some time later (Vergis and the stolen chip). This episode seemed to drop all that and whizz everything along to cliffhanger point on a number of fronts and just left me feeling flat.

I think they could have played up the increasing tension between Clarice and Barnabas before it got to the carbombing stage, Barnabas has been underused so far and it would have added to the rather lacking Clarice thread. The discovery of Daniels actions in getting his hands on the chip leading to Amandas suicide felt rushed again given the amount of time given to the character previously to no great end, and even the Zoe escape felt a little strange after all the buildup involving Daniel, the lab technician, her friend Lacy. It felt like a lot of this episodes dramatic points were conjured up solely in the episode itself without building on groundwork laid previously, it just didn't seem as neat and clever a midseason finale as I'd expected, I was hoping for some revelations giving deeper meaning to what had occurred previously.

Yeah, Zoe I can buy surviving, in fact I expect it, she is physically a military robot and even if that form is badly battered whatever spark her consciousness is contained in just has to survive to keep her in the plot. I don't see how Amanda's survival is in any way sure, I checked again and she definitely begins to fall, she steps off the ledge before Clarice or anyone else can talk her down/stop her. I'm not saying she's certainly dead, but I don't see any evidence to prove she definitely survived, and with cliffhangers leaving multiple characters lives in the balance they rarely save both so as not to have the audience feel cheated.

Not sure if you're simply being facetious for effect but it's clearly not a soap opera, it's one thing to complain about pacing and want more outright action as opposed to character interaction but it's simplistic to claim that anything that falls too far one way in your estimation is automatically a soap. Also not to be blunt, but as a fan of Gossip Girl and the like, is this not a positive for you?

The point about the music is bang on actually, the whole thing felt like it was just too forced and artificial a "this is a midseason finale and everything is dramatically culminating!" from beginning to end and the music really added to that feel of lacking buildup and payoff.

In my experience the credits in a TV show are shot after the series is so essentially the credits show things which usually are defo going to happen.

Caprica may be a sepcial case though, I mean will we really have the "because I'm worth it moment" between sister whats her name and the blonde one? There hasn't been a scene with the Adama's standing over a grave either in fairness.

I defo don't think Zoe is dead at all.

zoe is deffinately not gone, the body is probably damaged beyond repair, but the program is bound to still be there, or even backed-up in v-world, the majority of the show is centered around zoe, plus she was on most of the posters for the advertising campaign, amanda id say will die, but this is a sci-fi world so realistically nobody ever has to die, just maybe there physical body, (the thing id love to know is did people hate baltar as much as they hate amanda, i wasnt really on forums much while BSG was on, they seem like similar caracters) the show is gearing up for what will happen, im gonna presume there gonna jump ahead a few years after season 1, cause daniel will have to have the cylons running soon, so once there runing and in mass production there isnt gonna be much of a story untill the cylons eventually rebel, you can make out a bit whats going to happen, we know josef becomes a judge at some stage, and that willie joins the colonial fleet, we know the cylons will eventually rebel and they will believe in the one true god, so theres going to be some sort of STO stuff tied in there, we know that preventative action is taken to stop cylons hijacking ships therefore galactica (and other battlestars) have no wireless networking, we know battlestars arent created untill later in the war (if the show goes that far id say daniel will have something to do with there devlopment), what else do we know for certain will happen?

I like Danial as a character. And I enjoy the shades of (often dark) grey in the show.

Disappointed to see so many people complaining and looking for story changes, tbh. Not every strand is my personal cup of tea, but I've been really enjoying seeing most of it unfold - in particular the life-after-death in V-World and how Danial looks set to tap into that for his Cylons.

I suppose while the vworld sections can be fun, having Joseph stuck in there for the past few episodes has unbalanced things a bit, I think the show works better when the episodes balance and contrast the life of the two very different families, cutting back and forth. We don't really have that with Joseph wondering around vworld with the occasional brief worried family natter over his comatose body on the couch. There's none of the clash between Joseph's respectable work in the court (how has he still got a job!) and his brother's criminal background and how they interact, or exposition into Taurons and their life on Caprica. I think the audience needs more of this to parallel the Greystone scenes, with Daniel being a very cerebral reserved character.

The show was after all billed as two very different families colliding , and for the past few episodes leading up to this midseason finale the Adama side of the story has rather taken a back seat, confined to Joseph's vworld quest to find his daughter, i think to the detriment of the show.