How do yoy train to become a lecturer?

Shinners13 · 06-03-2010 04:51PM #1

Hi i am wondering can anyone help me when i finished school i went straight into an accountants as a trainee and have qualified as IATI and now ACCA.
I am interested in doing the AITI tax course with a view to maybe lecturing a tax subject in the future as i have a keen interest in Tax.
What is the normal process for training to be a lecturer or do people train to be lecurers of these type of courses?

Mr. Incognito · 07-03-2010 02:06PM

One of my mates lectures. The institute were looking for people to take tutorials and she put her name in and after a year or so then they asked her to do some lecturing.

Generally the lecturer positions are nailed down. Considering you wouldn't be in a position to even think about it for three years until you have the AITI's I think you're putting the cart before the horse mate.

Shinners13 · 07-03-2010 04:32PM

Thanks for that would be looking to be finished the AITI course by next April / May as i am exempt from Year 1 (ACCA Qualification) and then was looking at doing Year 2 in Summer Course 2010 and Year 3 in Winter Course 2010 / 2011.
A year wont be long passing and i just wanted to know was there a further course to do so as to lecture or am i then qualified to lecture?

Mr. Incognito · 07-03-2010 04:52PM

Generally the institute's lecturers are people with a lot of experience in that Area. For example the VAT lecturer Louis is the Co-author of the institutes produced VAT legislation.

Look, it's not a matter of qualified and Poof lecturing. Tax is a very small world in Ireland and most professionals know each other.

Also, part two and three in one summer? I know people that have done it, but it is very very very very very X 1,000,000 Hard. You need to be gifted and totally committed. I mean 10 hours a day for months.

Come back to me when you're qualified.

Shinners13 · 07-03-2010 10:05PM

Look im sorry if i somehow annoyed you by asking a question but like you didnt need to give me an answer if you didnt want to!!
And i am not planning on doing Part 2 and 3 in one Summer as i said i plan on doing Part 2 this Summer and then doing Part 3 in the winter course sitting the exams next April / May.
Im not stupid i know a huge amount if effort is required in order to pass the exams after all i have just done the ACCA qualification.
Also i certainly did not think that it would be a matter of Qualified and Poof im lecturing as i said im not stupid!
Thats the whole reason behind asking the question in the first place as i did not think i would be able to instantly get a job in lecturing just because i qualified.
Anyways dont worry about it i wouldnt want to annoy you asking you anything else.

Mr. Incognito · 07-03-2010 11:01PM

Okay read that as you were going to sit part two in may and part 3 in september. My bad sorry.

to answer your question - no, there is no course to become a lecturer- they are drawn from Industry experts.

If you find yourself specialised in an area of tax get in touch with the institute in the future and volunteer for tutorials and go from there.

I'm trying to give you an answer. If you don't want to hear it you don't have to.

djk1000 · 08-03-2010 05:57PM

There is nothing you have to do to be a lecturer, apart from being qualified in tax/accounting (depending on what you want to teach). If you want to improve your chances and if you're commited to doing this, you could take a Hdip in education, here's one

That would help you start out with college/university lecturing and could help if you ever decided to teach secondary. It definitely wouldn't hurt if you wanted to teach for the tax or accounting institutes.

http://www.postgrad.ie/search.html?op=showcourse&row_id=1026790&coll=Waterford-Institute-of-Technology&id=414

Mr. Incognito · 08-03-2010 06:24PM

Hold on- A H Dip to teach taxation???

They have nothing in common with each other. Nil.

I've never met any taxation lecturers at any stage in my career with a H Dip.

I'm not knocking it as a qualification in the right area but it's not going to make you a better taxation lecturer. Industry expertise and experience is going to do that.

I had to remove your link by the way- it was dead and pointed to a specific college. Try and keep it neutral.

djk1000 · 08-03-2010 06:37PM

I messed up my link:D it was to a Hdip specifically for lecturers in higher and further education, in my post I did point out that it could be useful if the OP wants to do teaching as opposed to tax lectures. I don't think that it would hurt the chances if there was a post grad in third level education on the old CV.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe your right, maybe not having any lecturing qualification is what's called for if the OP wants to ...lecture;)

Since no one you know has it, maybe it's the edge that the OP needs to get in the door.

Apologies for offending you with what I thought was helpful advice, my mistake, won't do it again sir.

Mr. Incognito · 08-03-2010 07:00PM

Look I'm sorry if it seemed a bit harsh but my initial reaction was huh?

A H dip for teaching, sure. But she wants to lecture tax. I took Revenue Law in college and the lecturer was a dude from a practice in Town not a H Dip chap.

The institute draws lecturers from their fields in practice.

A H dip is great for secondary school and general lecturing but if you want to lecture in a specialised area you need experience in that specialised area. A higher Diploma in general education and zero specialised expertise will cost you money, time and effort for basically nothing.

I'm always amazed at the detailed knowledge that the AITI lecturers have in their subjects- it's because they are experts trough years and years of practise. The OP will realise this once she has sat the exams.

Shinners13 · 08-03-2010 09:51PM

Mr Incognito & DJK1000
Thank you both very much for your advice it is much appreciated!
It would obviously suit me better to not need to do another course after i qualify but if it seems like an option i might just do it will see where i stand after i do the course first of all!!
I am not too optimistic about getting a position in lecturing at the moment as i would presume all the jobs available are fairly well sought for but it is something i have serious interest in so will see what i can do!
Thanks again!

TheScriptFan · 24-03-2010 02:38PM

Hi Shinners,

I'm currently an AITI student (part 2) I find the standard of lecturing atrocious. I only rate one lecturer as any good. I have been consistenly disappointed with the others.

I think you would have more luck completing your AITI and then lecturing an accountancy/business tax module. I don't think the lecturers have alot of experience (certainly one comes to mind who is just awful and clearly very inexperienced) but they do work in tax specific areas. I'm sure getting into to lecture in DIT/DBS/Griffith etc, would be considerably easier and also your AITI designation would be well recognised there, after a year or twos experience there I would imagine you would have no problem moving on to AITI level lecturing.

Best of luck!

Shinners13 · 24-03-2010 08:48PM

TheScriptFan thanks vey much for your help! As your doing the Part 2 exams at the minute hears another question for you!! Do you think its doable to do them over the 4 months for the summer course or am i better off starting in October and doing them over the 7-8 months???

TheScriptFan · 25-03-2010 04:58PM

Hi Shinners,

I think it's very do-able over the Summer if you are really focused. It's alot of work but if that's what you are determined to do then you will know the amount of work required.
There are many people in my class talking about doing part 3 in the Summer, so I'm sure you would be able for it. But make no mistake these are tough exams - so be prepared for your personal life to take a severe back seat. I am starting to feel the pain now a couple of weeks before the exams.
Anyway, if you attempt all four over the Summer and you don't quite pass them all, once you get over 400 combined in the four you can hold on to the ones you have passed so you'll ease your work load for the following year anyway. It's a win-win!!

Winnieacre · 30-03-2010 07:20PM

Hi Shinners
I lectured in Income and Corporation Tax to AITI students for a number of years and found that the experience I had gained from giving tutorials to undergrads who are taking a business/taxation subject as part of their degree to be of great assistance to me in both gaining experience and getting the lecturing position. Experience in the practice of one or more taxes is important in giving you the confidence to lecture and deal with the questions raised by the students!
Best of luck with your studies

Winnie

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