McAleese: Recession caused by a "collapse of ethics"

Permabear · 29-03-2010 06:32PM #1

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Mr.Micro · 29-03-2010 07:03PM

Did not hear her talking much about ethics in the last 10 years. What a load of BS. Ethics is just a word.

Permabear · 29-03-2010 07:06PM

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fontanalis · 29-03-2010 07:07PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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Ayn Rand wants to be your master?

nesf · 29-03-2010 07:17PM

Randian...

Valmont · 29-03-2010 07:22PM

With this piece and her 'meitheal' video, McAleese is really coming across as an enemy of the individual. Can the ideal of rational self-interest be that far beyond the conceptual faculties of our government and president? What's more worrying is why no one seems to care that our president comes out with this stuff and as an example of this apathy this thread will probably descend into an Ayn Rand bashing. Surely with this economic crisis more people than ever before are conscious of looking out for themselves above all else and McAleese has the gall to suggest that we need to become more collectively minded? I would love to ask her to look at our social welfare system and then tell me again about being ethical and having more of a social concern.

nesf wrote: »

Randian...

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Sand · 29-03-2010 07:33PM

I didnt notice any social or ethical concern when she signed NAMA into law in the face of widespread public disapproval. The office of President has been reduced to travelling the world at taxpayer expense issuing platitudes, and launching silly transistion year competitions. The sad thing is people dont seem to expect much better from their President.

rovert · 29-03-2010 07:52PM

Profound stuff, Mary :P

cavedave · 29-03-2010 07:54PM

Can we not have a society that abhors drawings of someones imaginary friend? One like Saudi that has oil and a great human rights record?

yoshytoshy · 29-03-2010 08:04PM

If anything Ireland has become more ethical ,because of the government unethics.

Permabear · 29-03-2010 08:20PM

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DublinWriter · 29-03-2010 08:25PM

Personally I thought it was from a lack of banking governance on the part of the Office of the Financial Regular?

Rich, considering she's a member of the 'Galway Tent' party.

Sickening.

MavisDavis · 29-03-2010 08:34PM

Couldn't we give her some work to do so she'll stop lecturing us all the time??

nesf · 29-03-2010 08:36PM

Valmont wrote: »

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A friendly dig at the OP.

maynooth_rules · 29-03-2010 09:06PM

She can be so so bloody condesending at times. I realise you have a lot of spare time love, but use it more constructively.

Red Hand · 29-03-2010 09:28PM

donegalfella wrote: »

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How much money has Ayn Rand's estate made out of you and your ilk?:pac:

peasant · 29-03-2010 09:33PM

Mrs McAleese said the economic crisis was "fundamentally a collapse of ethics" and was fuelled by a movement away from social concern and by a movement right into the heart of selfish concern.

Is it just me or does she sound like the pope in his letter to the Irish catholics?

How much more of this condescending bullcrap are we supposed to take from our "betters" ?

dsmythy · 29-03-2010 11:35PM

Well she can start by taking another 10% pay cut so. Maybe 20%? Lead us into the new age old Mary!

anymore · 31-03-2010 11:12AM

peasant wrote: »

Is it just me or does she sound like the pope in his letter to the Irish catholics?

How much more of this condescending bullcrap are we supposed to take from our "betters" ?

The only good thing I can say about these remarks, they are less irritating than the ones she made about Turkey joining the EU.

UltimateMale · 31-03-2010 11:47AM

So would you prefer to have say, Mary Robinson putting a light on in Áras an Uachtaráin or something as a symbol of empathy ?

anymore · 31-03-2010 11:54AM

donegalfella wrote: »

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In terms of ' Social Concern', for , most of the last century, Ireland lagged way behind Britain in caring for the impoverished which this woman as a Professor must surely know. So what does it say about Madam Mac Aleese that she regurgiates this this pap ? I suggest she reads Diarmuid Ferriter's Transformation of Ireland 1900 - 2000 so that some facts might inform her comments.

anymore · 31-03-2010 12:04PM

P.S I wonder if ' social concern' was on the minds of herself and her husband when they were building a holiday home in the Cootehall, Co Roscommon ?
Yes I know that is probably sour grapes of someone like myself who lives in a modest semi detached house which is in negative equity. I dont begrudge her her holiday home .... as long as i dont have to endure lectures on ethics and social concern. From my perspective she is part of the wealthy of Irish Society.

Permabear · 31-03-2010 12:10PM

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LookingFor · 31-03-2010 12:11PM

She should suspend her salary, her expenses and STFU. Really tired of her. The 'I'm an ordinary wan from the north' schtick wore off about a year into her period of sponsored luxury.

moonpurple · 31-03-2010 01:17PM

thanks for posting this OP, it is a good time for leadership no matter where it comes from,

I believe President McAleese wants the leadership of people such as (under attack) Archbishop Martin to emerge,

a good example of ethics benifitting society might be seen in the Bishop Oscar Romero story, he was shot for speaking out against (other) money addicted bullies:

In less than three years, more than fifty priests have been attacked, threatened and slandered. Six of them are martyrs, having been assassinated; various others have been tortured, and others expelled from the country. Religious women have also been the object of persecution. The archdiocesan radio station, Catholic educational institutions and Christian religious institutions have been constantly attacked, menaced, threatened with bombs. Various parish convents have been sacked.[9]
– Oscar Romero

I suspect that President McAleese, in office via Fianna Fail sponsership is pointing to the brown envelope ethics of Ray Burke and Liam Lawlor and Haughey as the path that makes us international news today for all the wrong reasons

aidan24326 · 31-03-2010 01:25PM

LookingFor wrote: »

She should suspend her salary, her expenses and STFU. Really tired of her. The 'I'm an ordinary wan from the north' schtick wore off about a year into her period of sponsored luxury.

Sponsored luxury is exactly what it is. The strange thing with our office of president is that it carries over-riding power should a president ever wish to excercise that, but the position has effectively become a ceremonial one, almost like the Queen in England. Power in theory but not in practice.

Nowadays it seems to be a handy number whereby you swan around the world hob-nobbing with various dignitaries while commanding a fat salary and a bottomless pit of expenses. I can see why Bertie would have his eye on the job, would suit a wastrel like him perfectly.

hinault · 31-03-2010 01:27PM

Mary McAleese is a member of Fianna Fail.

How dare she lecture us about ethics.

moonpurple · 31-03-2010 01:35PM

some senior politically aligned people have convinced themselves that they are defenders of the 'faith' in an aggressively secular world, this allows them justify anything to themselves along the lines of 'the end justifies the means'

therefore, a lot of the public expenditure goes to friends of the party, they then send back handers to fuel the election machine...they are always close to the education and health budgets especially

it is the green circle of life,

Mary McAleese may be addressing it as carefully as she can

sin an sceal go leir, mo cairde Gael
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Eliot Rosewater · 31-03-2010 02:53PM

hinault wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a member of Fianna Fail.

I believe she abandoned Fianna Fáil as soon as she didn't need them, ie for her second election to the Presidency. Which is a very Fianna Fáil thing to do, I suppose!

I think the Presidents calls for "social concern" tells us a little about the mindset of people in Ireland. We have been born into a country where the Government taking collective action on our behalf is quite the norm. As a result, the question of whether the Government should be doing something is rarely addressed. Its firmly taken for granted that it should.

This sentiment by Ms McAleese appears to me to be an extension of this kind of attitude, albeit in a far less obligatory fashion than usual.

moonpurple · 31-03-2010 02:58PM

or..David Norris says that her hubby wants a turn at being pres., and david norris wants to move closer to blanchardstown, i.e. the aras, so Mary may be starting up the 4 more years machine,

I wouldn't want to move out the palace at phoenix park too easily myself,

and there are whispers the Fianna Fail might ask Michael Ryan the ex mayor of Clonmel to run to renew their previous party of the man not living on ailesbury road credentials

sron · 31-03-2010 03:10PM

hinault wrote: »

Mary McAleese is a member of Fianna Fail.

How dare she lecture us about ethics.

She also sidestepped that messy issue of the murder of a million Armenians while on her trip to Turkey... and lied about the Irish public's view on Turkey's accession to the EU. Wouldn't make good business sense to do otherwise, I suppose. She's got the FF mentality all right.

Dannyboy83 · 31-03-2010 03:32PM

It seems massively hypocritical (to me) to go to Saudi Arabia and want to "stand with their women" when there is so very much wrong with our own disgrace of a country.

Who are we to dictate to them or to lecture them or whatever?

We should concentrate on taking the log out of our own eye, before we blind somebody else.

moonpurple · 31-03-2010 03:48PM

His Eminince Cardinal Connell: 'President McAleese should not have taken communion at the church of Ireland St. Patrick's cathedral'

President of the Republic of Ireland Mary McAleese: 'I would do it again tomorrow'

I liked her doing that, hands across the divide and so on:cool:

LookingFor · 31-03-2010 03:55PM

Norris would get my vote, but to be honest, anyone other than a McAleese. The mere idea of her husband running's absolutely farcical.

The last 'election' was just a shame. Unbelievable that no one would put up a candidate. The next election, we need a thorough clearing out of the Aras.

Hopefully McAleese will take a leaf out of Robinson's book and go early. Although I doubt she'll have anyone else, or anywhere else, chasing her so much that she'd have reason to go...

Anyway, I digress. Back on topic...stop pontificating, start doing. Leadership comes out of action. Show the solidarity you talk about so much with your empty hollow words, and ditch the salary and expenses. You've already made more than enough off your stint.

goose2005 · 31-03-2010 05:30PM

dsmythy wrote: »

Well she can start by taking another 10% pay cut so. Maybe 20%? Lead us into the new age old Mary!

Or 100%? The CEOs of many of the top American firms pledged to draw a $1 salary until they become profitable again - couldn't she do the same?

McAleese: Recession caused by a "collapse of ethics"

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