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iPad i couldn't resist

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,664 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    padraig_f wrote: »
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    Its far more convenient to carry an iPhone around with me than an iPad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭Duck Soup


    Discodog wrote: »
    Anyone who buys an iPad may regret it when they see the alternatives. There are some seriously nice units on the way that will be far better especially when you consider the cost & limitations of connection with no standard sim.
    We want tablets that we can control & use as we see fit. Any tablet should take any PAYG or contract sim. The opposition will be much faster out of the blocks than they were with the iphone.

    The lesson of the iPhone - and iPod - is that most people don't really want something that they can customize, tweak and control, they want things that are a piece of pizz to use and have content. So an iPod gives you music + video, and it makes it a breeze to go through it. It also has the iTunes store should you feel the need.

    Similarly, the iPhone (which if I remember right, the techies said would sink without trace) is user-friendly and has 100,000 apps to put on it.

    Where Apple have been consistently ahead of the other tech firms is two things (a) ease of use and (b) supplying content. The iPad already has the iBook store lined up and the iPhone apps there if you want them. Until the other tech businesses get their heads around the fact that these things - to consumers - aren't 'tech devices' as such, they're entertainment and social devices, they're always going to be left behind pointing out that their device does advanced math and speaks Burmese.

    People want something easy to master 5 minutes out of the box. I once read a comment on a YouTube page from someone who thought he was putting down Macs. He said "Macs are for people who don't understand computers", at which point I delightedly screamed "Yes! That's the whole bloody point!" It was like saying "Mercedes are for people who don't want to strip down engines." They don't. They just want a smooth drive.

    Apple's in the entertainment/media business. In the final analysis, that's what'll make or break the iPad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    faceman wrote: »
    Its far more convenient to carry an iPhone around with me than an iPad.

    The iPad was never going to be something you could put in your pocket.

    My point was that a lot of the negativity towards the iPad seems to be because of unrealistic expectations. With the amount of hype, I think people were expecting the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey to be released.

    And while the release was a bit underwhelming, an iPhone-like device with a big screen will be very useful. On the list of things I use my iPhone for, talking on the phone is way down the list, but I often wish the screen was bigger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Theta


    padraig_f wrote: »
    The iPad was never going to be something you could put in your pocket.

    My point was that a lot of the negativity towards the iPad seems to be because of unrealistic expectations. With the amount of hype, I think people were expecting the monolith from 2001: A Space Odyssey to be released.

    And while the release was a bit underwhelming, an iPhone-like device with a big screen will be very useful. On the list of things I use my iPhone for, talking on the phone is way down the list, but I often wish the screen was bigger.

    What unrealistic expectations?

    All people wanted for it to do more then one thing at once and not use the Iphone OS! How is that unrealistic? it sounds to me like alot of people just take what they are given when it comes to apple.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    not use the Iphone OS
    What's the alternative? The full desktop version of OS X would be horrible to use on a device like this. A modified version of OS X designed for touchscreen? Oh look, thats iPhone OS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Theta


    What's the alternative? The full desktop version of OS X would be horrible to use on a device like this. A modified version of OS X designed for touchscreen? Oh look, thats iPhone OS.

    No its not, at least a modifed version of OSX designed for touch would have multitasking. I know some people wanted a full OS X desktop and this is a stupid idea but the IPhone OS is the biggest bottleneck on this device.

    People were hoping for something more functional and customisable then the Iphone OS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    The iPhoneOS does have multitasking, it couldn't work without it. There isn't a public API for third party multitasking, which is different and something that I can't imagine would be the case too much longer. Even at that, there aren't too many scenarios where the current way of doing it isn't sufficient.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    If they were to do any sort of Mac OS X or lookalike, they'd have the problem that apps for x86 and x64 would need to be recompiled to run on ARM or else they'd have to use intel architecture. Then you'd have loads of complaints about non-running applications.

    Personally if my granny was still alive now I'd have bought her an iPad, so she wouldn't be bogged down with stuff like booting up, virus scanning, disk space warnings etc, and she'd be on the internet quicker than turning on her radio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭Theta


    I doubt Apple will allow access to the multitasking API. Its not there style to open up devices.

    At the end of the day people expected an open device from a maker who was never going to deliver one.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Theta wrote: »
    People were hoping for something more functional and customisable then the Iphone OS.
    Which was probably pushing their expectations a bit high. It's very much a Joe Bloggs consumer product and aimed at that end of the market. So the ability to hack and tweak falls very much down the list.

    Multitasking is a little bit of a pain in the ass when the end-user doesn't have low-level access to the OS. Even something as simple as a background process crashing or freezing could eat up battery power and stay like that for months until the owner reboots the phone. The battery issue is a big enough problem and if the end-user has no idea what multitasking it or how it operates, it could lead to very bad press for Apple and an unnecessary increase in call volumes.

    For example, Joe B buys his iPad with its ten hour running time, multitasking and is very happy with it. Because he doesn't really care about what and where he installs things, he picks twenty or thirty apps and installs them. Half of them are single-use, crappy apps such as, "Find out how big your index finger is", which have for no particular reason decided to incorporate a background thread to periodically search for updates.

    After six months or so of installing these apps, Joe's iPad moves like a turtle through sh*te and the battery only lasts 2.5 hours before needing to be charged. Joe storms into the Apple store complaing about how crap the iPad is and how he demands his money back. The store guy points out the background apps, removes most of them, and suddenly Joe's iPad roars back to life.
    However Joe's not happy. "Apple should have warned me about this, look at how much time I've wasted trying to get this sorted".

    And then this is replicated across the world by every braindead technology journo, competitor and anti-Apple activist until the iPad, despite being a perfectly functional device, becomes known as the iTurtle or the iPaperWeight, simply because its target audience were too dumb to use it correctly.

    Someone in Apple had the cop-on to see this, and I'm sure they did their best to try and provide some degree of multitasking via the API, but the potential nightmare outweighed the benefits.

    I do think however that they should supply (for download) a more open version of the OS that allows people with more tech-savvy to have more access to the device, on the understanding that you have no warranty or phone support until/unless you wipe the phone and reinstall the standard OS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭displaced dub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    The reason to buy an iPad (if you've money to burn and like classic games)

    Cool idea. Does give an indication as to what more adventurous devs could get up to with the device!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭padraig_f



    Man, techies are irritating, way to miss the wood for the trees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭displaced dub


    padraig_f wrote: »
    Man, techies are irritating, way to miss the wood for the trees.

    i know even if it did everything they wanted and had cameras coming out of its ass they would still moan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 FoneMaster


    Some clever clogs have already set up an Ipad Repair site Link. Hope no one has to use their services too soon after they get their new toy.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭probe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,512 ✭✭✭✭Basq


    probe wrote: »
    Just to warn people in advance.. it's a 300MB file! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭padraig_f




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭probe


    basquille wrote: »
    Just to warn people in advance.. it's a 300MB file! :eek:

    http://twit.cachefly.net/video/mbw/m...64x480_500.mp4

    A 3 or 4 second download on a GbE fibre connection!

    Andy Ihnatko does a thorough job of describing the product from a user's perspective and it is well worth watching if you are thinking about buying the iPad - even if you have a slow Irish DSL connection.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭displaced dub


    well did anyone get a flight to the USof A to buy an ipady???

    No, didnt think so.

    anyway i am very tempted by it but im going to wait for ipad 2 or ipad maxi plus:D:D:D.

    But seriously, i can see apple releasing a new iPad for the christmas market and i will wait for that one.

    Just one other thing to the techies here, why do you want multitasking and what for??


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,699 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    But seriously, i can see apple releasing a new iPad for the christmas market and i will wait for that one.
    Not a chance. The iPad will probably be on a yearly refresh cycle, same as the iPhone and iPod.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 766 ✭✭✭displaced dub


    Would normally agree, but i think iPad 2 will be a christmas release then reverting to yearly after that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭probe


    If u believe this, u are a platinum medal Apple fan boy with rose colored glasses bla bla bla....

    http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/twit.cachefly.net/specials0015.mp3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    did someone just call Andy Ihnatko a ''journo''?

    Blasphemy.

    Em there is video of woz waiting for iphones and for the ipad. You gonna say that was a double?

    You can get that whole twit ihnatko interview on youtubes twit channel also - if you cant stream that file.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,699 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Would normally agree, but i think iPad 2 will be a christmas release then reverting to yearly after that.
    Why? You are being hopelessly optimistic. :P This is Apple we're talking about. They'll see no reason to update the iPad's hardware until this time next year. The best we can hope for is a price drop (if sales suck) or a firmware upgrade.

    The iPad 1 won't even be released worldwide until the end of April. And that probably won't include the 3g model. Then there will be several months of the usual "the demand is so high, we've no stock" bullsh*t that is still going on with the iPhone. Then Christmas starts in September (or is it August this year?) and the "no stock, pre-order your iPad now" bs will start again. Apple will wait until all this dies down before releasing the next gen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,480 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    The iPad 1 won't even be released worldwide until the end of April. And that probably won't include the 3g model. Then there will be several months of the usual "the demand is so high, we've no stock" bullsh*t that is still going on with the iPhone. Then Christmas starts in September (or is it August this year?) and the "no stock, pre-order your iPad now" bs will start again. Apple will wait until all this dies down before releasing the next gen.

    Yup. Then they announce a new one next year, release it a few months later (allowing, in those months, for hype to sell the first-gen models as supplies dwindle). Also keep in mind it's likely that we'll have a new iPhone launch in two months, or thereabouts. If rumours are to be trusted it'll have the ARM chip inside and OS4 powering it with all sorts of Jesus-Phone-esque apps to cater to a more mature audience with more business applications to boot. This will compete with the iPad in some respects, so Apple need that market to mature too, and then get them to migrate to iPad2 next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    (development code name Wings)

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    For those heavy workflow days!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    I really wanted the 1st Gen iPhone when it was announced, but didn't have the cash. Then every yuppy asshole I knew got one. Now, coming up to 4th gen, I can finally afford one w/ bill.

    Can't flippin' wait.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,359 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    banquo wrote: »
    I really wanted the 1st Gen iPhone when it was announced, but didn't have the cash. Then every yuppy asshole I knew got one. Now, coming up to 4th gen, I can finally afford one w/ bill.

    Can't flippin' wait.

    It'll be all the sweeter for the wait.:D


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