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Passat Flywheel

  • 12-04-2010 6:45pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭


    2005 1.9tdi ( new model ) Passat Flywheel
    Have any of you replaced the clutch+ flywheel recently. My flywheel is going+ im wondering what approx cost will be + where is cheapest ie. here or north. Is it a fault on passats as i have only abot 77000 miles on car


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 120 ✭✭caze


    http://www.walshmotors.co.uk/prices.html

    Guy I work with got his passat sorted here, he priced around down south and still reckons with travel and day off work he saved a few hundred in Belfast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Halfshaft


    brownswiss, what part of the country are you in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Thanks for replies. will try Belfast in morning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    €560 supplied+ fitted in north and probably about €850 in VW around here.

    VW claim the north price could not include a Dual Mass flywheel and that some guys are chancing a solid one...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    brownswiss wrote: »
    €560 supplied+ fitted in north and probably about €850 in VW around here.

    VW claim the north price could not include a Dual Mass flywheel and that some guys are chancing a solid one...

    Honestly, if they are fitting a solid one then happy days, means you won't have the same problem again. VW have not redesigned the flywheel so if you get another genuine VW unit fited it will only last the same miles again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭2 Espressi


    I looked at a skoda Tdi at the weekend that needed this, sales man said it costs them about €600 to do the flywheel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Honestly, if they are fitting a solid one then happy days, means you won't have the same problem again. VW have not redesigned the flywheel so if you get another genuine VW unit fited it will only last the same miles again.
    A friend of mine contacted a VW agent in Donegal and was told Vw are covering 50% of cost of replacing Passat Flywheels as it is a fault in these cars...

    VW locally are not aware that VW have acknowledged the fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    2 Espressi wrote: »
    I looked at a skoda Tdi at the weekend that needed this, sales man said it costs them about €600 to do the flywheel.
    .

    Wonder would he do mine for that?... some guys have paid 12 to 1400€


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭statto25


    I have the same problem. My DMF is gone and my mechanic suggested putting in a solid flywheel and clutch. Will I notice any difference. I have heard solid flywheels can be noisy compared to the DFM?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    statto25 wrote: »
    I have the same problem. My DMF is gone and my mechanic suggested putting in a solid flywheel and clutch. Will I notice any difference. I have heard solid flywheels can be noisy compared to the DFM?
    ...

    I did not realize one would deliberatly put in a solid..

    thought VW were only suggesting that it was an explanation for the price difference... and that there would be bad vibrations


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    riginally Posted by OldmanMondeo viewpost.gif
    Wrong, A DMF reduced vibration throughout the car including the gearbox. It is recommended by both Car and Clutch/DMF manufactures to replace a DMF with a DMF. I presume you would only use oil to the same standard as recommended by the Manufacture? If so why wouldn't you also follow recommendations on a DMF? A DMF should last 150k -ish, that for most diesels would be 7 years driving...

    mine has about 77000miles and there are many differing opinions on replacing like with like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    brownswiss wrote: »
    ...

    I did not realize one would deliberatly put in a solid..

    thought VW were only suggesting that it was an explanation for the price difference... and that there would be bad vibrations

    Yes the Original equipment suppliers to vw for the factory parts are now offering solid fly wheel kits as a direct replacement for worn DMF. They obviously recognise the weakness. I would be of the opinion that if you are happy to pay the bills on the DMF every 50 to 70k miles, then go with the DMF, otherwise go solid. I know a few people who have fitted solid & are 100% happy although I cannot comment on what level of mechanical feel these people would have.
    I would also be damn sure that the northern Ireland price is not a con. They are well respected on here & have many happy customers. Im certain they would be straight about what they are installing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    statto25 wrote: »
    I have the same problem. My DMF is gone and my mechanic suggested putting in a solid flywheel and clutch. Will I notice any difference. I have heard solid flywheels can be noisy compared to the DFM?

    my quote is £500


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    mickdw wrote: »
    Yes the Original equipment suppliers to vw for the factory parts are now offering solid fly wheel kits as a direct replacement for worn DMF.

    Strange, LUK along with SACHS supplier VAG with most of there DMF and Clutches, and I know for a fact that LUK do not make or reccommend a solid replacement to the DMF. I was reading a Valeo document today and it does say on it that Gearbox viberation, noise and gear shiftability would be worse with a solid flywheel. so you are risking gearbox damage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by mickdw viewpost.gif
    Firstly, DMFs are a joke reliability wise. They are typically failing before 60k miles.

    I would totally disagree with that comment. The company I work for sells LUK clutchs and DMF. The biggest sellers would be the VAG ones, cause the same clutch and DMF can cover a alot of 1.9tdi Adui's, VW, Skoda and Seat. Although we would sell a lot of the the reported milage for replacement is well over 100k and the number is much smaller compared to the number of VAG's out on the roads.

    I think people are lead in to a belief that DMF cost to much money to replace and a SMF is better long term. More correct you need special fitting tools for DMF, they can be fitted incorrectly by mechanices, even the good ones. You should only be looking at changeing a DMF once in the normal lifetime of a car, unless there is undue stress and strain put on a car.

    But there is 2 sides to every story...
    user_offline.gifreport.gif An old post reckons a Dm should last the lifetime of the car.

    I dont have my Passat very long and have only done a few K.

    I have done a little towing and was happy enough until i went into reverse when I felt the car/clutch/flywheel was under too much pressure even when the trailer was empty.

    I never noticed this with any other vehicle. This vehicle did not have a hitch on it until i bought it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Strange, LUK along with SACHS supplier VAG with most of there DMF and Clutches, and I know for a fact that LUK do not make or reccommend a solid replacement to the DMF. I was reading a Valeo document today and it does say on it that Gearbox viberation, noise and gear shiftability would be worse with a solid flywheel. so you are risking gearbox damage.
    ..

    I was on to VW in Mayo + they DONT supply solid replacements


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭ha-ya-said-what


    I don't know if this will be any use to ya but I was pricing dual fly wheel & clutch for a 02 Passat today & asked on the price of the solid, not many places have them & the one that did came straight out and said they do have them but would advise against them as they'd had numerous complaints & returns over them, they disintegrate, add more noise to the car & can reduce the torque from 100% to 30%. They weren't the first place to advise against them, others had but wouldn't say why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Will stick with DMF and thank God for Boards.ie + all of you guys as i was feeling very sorry for myself before I saw the link on here for Walsh in Belfast... He really deserves support from the republic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Oldmanmondeo says they are lasting over 100,000 miles. Thats just not true. All the ones Ive seen are around the 60,000 mile mark. Hard driven cars even sooner. The other argument in relation to poor fitting resulting in early failure doesnt hold water either as the majority of the cases Ive seen have been on one owner cars, bought new & the failure occuring at 60k from new. No clocking, no undue abuse & the flywheel being factory installed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    mickdw wrote: »
    Oldmanmondeo says they are lasting over 100,000 miles. Thats just not true. All the ones Ive seen are around the 60,000 mile mark. Hard driven cars even sooner. The other argument in relation to poor fitting resulting in early failure doesnt hold water either as the majority of the cases Ive seen have been on one owner cars, bought new & the failure occuring at 60k from new. No clocking, no undue abuse & the flywheel being factory installed.

    I said this is another thread, there are thousands or cars out there with DMF in them, out of all these the failure percentage is quite low, don't have figures, but from what we are selling the figures are low. The only reason we hear about it is from pewople usualy discussing the price of the replacement, and yes a DMF and Clutch is expensive and I am talking parts only. I will accept that some DMF have failed at lower milages, but I have asked a lot of my customers and most were in excess of 100k when replaced and most are replaceing when clutch is gone to possibly save money on labour later.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭statto25


    brownswiss wrote: »
    my quote is £500

    I was quoted €570 for a solid flywheel and clutch replacement and €740 for a DMF replacement. There is a good difference in price but if there is a chance that the solid flywheel would cause damage then maybe its worth going for the DMF?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    statto25 wrote: »
    I was quoted €570 for a solid flywheel and clutch replacement and €740 for a DMF replacement. There is a good difference in price but if there is a chance that the solid flywheel would cause damage then maybe its worth going for the DMF?
    Thats not a bad southern price..

    il go for the DMF in Belfast @ £500 as good competition needs to be supported


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Does the type of Flywheel one should put in depend on whether one is doing much towing ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,731 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    We are generally seeing the DMF and clutch replacements needed around 120,000km - loads and loads of Passat's, but checked a Honda Diesel recently and that was replaced at 120k as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I said this is another thread, there are thousands or cars out there with DMF in them, out of all these the failure percentage is quite low, don't have figures, but from what we are selling the figures are low. The only reason we hear about it is from pewople usualy discussing the price of the replacement, and yes a DMF and Clutch is expensive and I am talking parts only. I will accept that some DMF have failed at lower milages, but I have asked a lot of my customers and most were in excess of 100k when replaced and most are replaceing when clutch is gone to possibly save money on labour later.

    But how many people keep a car for 100,000 miles. Its quite possible that you are seeing owners/mechanics coming in with for example an 05 passat that the current owner bought with about 70,000 miles covered having already had a new flywheel at tiny mileage & now needing another. Most would never imagine that the car might have had one already when only a year old for example although it has happened alot.
    A toyota technician I know said they can almost assume any late avensis that comes through the door with 90,000 miles on the clock will have had a new flywheel. VW are worse by all accounts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 Narcom


    brownswiss wrote: »
    Will stick with DMF and thank God for Boards.ie + all of you guys as i was feeling very sorry for myself before I saw the link on here for Walsh in Belfast... He really deserves support from the republic.

    I'd also recommend Walsh Motors. After seeing a few old posts on boards, I got a quote initially via his MSN instant messenger link (on his website).
    I've been up to Belfast a couple of times since and Eugene has been sound (and only a min off the M1 (and Sainsburys). Would definitely suggest that people check him out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    mickdw wrote: »
    But how many people keep a car for 100,000 miles. Its quite possible that you are seeing owners/mechanics coming in with for example an 05 passat that the current owner bought with about 70,000 miles covered having already had a new flywheel at tiny mileage & now needing another. Most would never imagine that the car might have had one already when only a year old for example although it has happened alot.
    A toyota technician I know said they can almost assume any late avensis that comes through the door with 90,000 miles on the clock will have had a new flywheel. VW are worse by all accounts.

    Ok, I must be getting wrong information from my customers. What I would also agree with is that VAG, more for VW are the biggest seller for us..

    therefore I would never buy a VAG Diesel and I personally would not fit a solid as replacement for a DMF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    I had a dmf go in my terracan and replaced it and clutchat a cost of 3k.

    I would NEVER again buy a vehicle with a DMF.

    In my opinion a car designed to fail in this manner after 100k is a disgrace.

    The rate of failure is unacceptably high well below this mileage, this from a 4x4 specialist, toyota specialist and vw specialist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The prices seem to be improving on the dmf at least. Its a matter of choice I guess for each person I guess.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭ianobrien


    I don't know if this will be any use to ya but I was pricing dual fly wheel & clutch for a 02 Passat today & asked on the price of the solid, not many places have them & the one that did came straight out and said they do have them but would advise against them as they'd had numerous complaints & returns over them, they disintegrate, add more noise to the car & can reduce the torque from 100% to 30%. They weren't the first place to advise against them, others had but wouldn't say why.

    A solid flywheel disintegrate - Now that I'd like to see..........

    I've only ever heard of a solid flywheel breaking once, and that was on a race V6, in which the owner lightened the flywheel (and never got it balanced afterwards). The flywheel broke up at 5k RPM, throwing bits of the flywheel through the car (through the bell-housing, bodywork, engine bay etc) and landing 50 feet away......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭Bitten & Hisses


    Pajeros are also notorious for DMF failure. Mine failed at approx 88K miles at a cost of €2800 including a new clutch plus labour. To say that you should accept that kind of a "wear and tear" bill to crop up in a 5 year old vehicle is ludicrous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Pajeros are also notorious for DMF failure. Mine failed at approx 88K miles at a cost of €2800 including a new clutch plus labour. To say that you should accept that kind of a "wear and tear" bill to crop up in a 5 year old vehicle is ludicrous.
    ..

    And I was feeling sorry for myself....

    that was some bill on a 5yr old vehicle..... so what vehicles dont have them?

    I have a 1993 2.5 Pajero and i would not expect to have that type of expense


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    The D40 model Navara's were having trouble with their DMF when launched and Nissans own warrenty fix was to fit solid flywheels.

    All this talk of solid flywheels disintergrating or wrecking gearboxes etc is all complete and utter rubbish being spouted by the people/companies charged with marketing them and as for the comment made in this thread that a solid flywheel will reduce torque from 100% down to 30%..there are no words to describe the stupidity of such random comments.:rolleyes:

    Its the same story as runflat tyres, they have no operating advantage whatsoever over normal tyres, they are simply a way for vehicle and tyre manufacturers to make more money.


    The fact is that parts suppliers and car dealers don't have a clue about anything that is not printed in their catalogs and brouchures.
    Anyone involved in the aftermarket/tuning industry will tell you that the first upgrade required to any car that has a DMF is a solid flywheel so that it is capable of handling any extra power, this is true of anything from 350z's through to golf TDI's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The D40 model Navara's were having trouble with their DMF when launched and Nissans own warrenty fix was to fit solid flywheels.

    All this talk of solid flywheels disintergrating or wrecking gearboxes etc is all complete and utter rubbish being spouted by the people/companies charged with marketing them.

    Its the same story as runflat tyres, they have no operating advantage whatsoever over normal tyres, they are simply a way for vehicle and tyre manufacturers to make more money.

    I have to agree 100% with all of the above. 2 of the craziest additions to modern cars & Im sure both of them will be soon discontinued unless they are brought up to expected standards. I mean €300 tyres that cant be repaired?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


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    RE: Volkswagen Website - AFTERSALES Query‏
    From:offline16.pngVW Customer Service (VWCUSTOMER.SERVICE@volkswagen.ie) Sent:19 April 2010 10:53:48
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    Thank you for your mail that we received Monday the 19th of April 2010.

    We have checked the information with our technical team and can advise that it is not possible to fit a solid flywheel to the Volkswagen Passat. If you are having any issues with your vehicle we would recommend contacting your local Volkswagen dealer in a view to making an appointment where they can diagnose and rectify any concern. Our technical team are available to the dealer should they require any assistance.

    Kind Regards



    Customer Care Department
    Volkswagen Group Ireland Limited
    Block C, Liffey Valley Office Campus
    Liffey Valley, Dublin 22
    ( Off: +353 (1) 8989331


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    how do i edit above .. i thought i was only posting what is in blue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 765 ✭✭✭brownswiss


    Got new clutch+ Flywheel today. Brilliant service from http://www.walshmotors.co.uk

    Dropped my car off at 9am, had a look around Belfast for a couple of hours.Was on my way home just after 2.30...

    Well worth the trip + will be back to them without hesitation the next time the Passat has a problem


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    brownswiss wrote: »
    RE: Volkswagen Website - AFTERSALES Query‏
    From:offline16.pngVW Customer Service (VWCUSTOMER.SERVICE@volkswagen.ie) Sent:19 April 2010 10:53:48
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    Thank you for your mail that we received Monday the 19th of April 2010.

    We have checked the information with our technical team and can advise that it is not possible to fit a solid flywheel to the Volkswagen Passat. If you are having any issues with your vehicle we would recommend contacting your local Volkswagen dealer in a view to making an appointment where they can diagnose and rectify any concern. Our technical team are available to the dealer should they require any assistance.

    Kind Regards



    Customer Care Department
    Volkswagen Group Ireland Limited
    Block C, Liffey Valley Office Campus
    Liffey Valley, Dublin 22
    ( Off: +353 (1) 8989331


    All very nice, except that it is possible. You would never expect a dealer to say anything other then the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    All very nice, except that it is possible. You would never expect a dealer to say anything other then the above.

    Yip, Valeo make a 4pce solid flywheel kit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,904 ✭✭✭statto25


    brownswiss wrote: »
    Got new clutch+ Flywheel today. Brilliant service from http://www.walshmotors.co.uk

    Dropped my car off at 9am, had a look around Belfast for a couple of hours.Was on my way home just after 2.30...

    Well worth the trip + will be back to them without hesitation the next time the Passat has a problem


    I think I will be heading that direction myself. Do you mind me asking how much you paid? Are they fairly quick with booking it in. Might head up at the end of next week.
    What year passat do you have?


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