Cheapest way to get a ppl anyone??!?!

manatoo · 29-07-2010 10:41AM #1

Hi

I've been quoted €10k "with a discount for upfront payment" by a school at Weston for ppl course. Since it would IMO by nuts to pay that amount of cash up front at a time like this, I politely declined. My local flying club was quoting around €13k but said it would take 2.5 - 3 years. Too long for me.

Anyone have any advice? I don't wanna go outside Ireland though. Anyone do it up the North? Is there any licence recognition issues if I did that?

Cheers everyone

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 10:48AM

what about florida:D you can get it done weather depending in about 3/4 weeks, although most schools require payment up front.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 10:55AM

whats the story with that though, is the licence completely transferrable to Ireland? Just seems incredible to me that people can learn to fly to a satisfactory standard in 3/4 weeks froms scratch. I mean how many hours a day do you fly, how many hours a day for ground school? I don't think most people could learn to drive in that time!

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 10:59AM

manatoo wrote: »

whats the story with that though, is the licence completely transferrable to Ireland? Just seems incredible to me that people can learn to fly to a satisfactory standard in 3/4 weeks froms scratch. I mean how many hours a day do you fly, how many hours a day for ground school? I don't think most people could learn to drive in that time!

you would be flying 2/3 times a day weather permitting there is ground school involved with a bit of self study.
it can be fairly intence but can be done and your licence would be a CAA/JAA PPL and by the way it's not a holiday camp your there to learn how to fly.

run_Forrest_run · 29-07-2010 11:03AM

donkey balls wrote: »

what about florida:D you can get it done weather depending in about 3/4 weeks, although most schools require payment up front.

isn't that where the 9/11 lads learned to 'fly'?

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:04AM

so is a CAA/JAA PPL what you would get in Westin?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:13AM

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

isn't that where the 9/11 lads learned to 'fly'?

i know a lad who trained in the same school that one of the hi jackers trained in

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:16AM

manatoo wrote: »

so is a CAA/JAA PPL what you would get in Westin?

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no if you train in EIWT you would get a IAA/JAA PPL the CAA is the english authority for licences etc,but since most european countries are members of JAA/EASA you can use your licence in any member state.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:20AM

if CAA is the english authority, how do you get the english qualification by training in Florida?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:23AM

manatoo wrote: »

if CAA is the english authority, how do you get the english qualification by training in Florida?

there are schools based in the US that are CAA/JAA approved schools were you can train for PPL/CPL and ME

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:39AM

ah i see....

so is that what u did?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:40AM

manatoo wrote: »

ah i see....

so is that what u did?

yep like so many others:D

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:41AM

how much? when did u do it?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:44AM

manatoo wrote: »

how much? when did u do it?

first off if you just want to fly for leasure get an class2 med done as for prices including flights/visa etc it worked out about 8000e as you pay in dollars the currency exchange fluctuates.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:50AM

wow, how is it so much cheaper?

are you a member of a club in ireland now? did they recongnise ur licence straight away and let u go solo in their plane?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 11:54AM

manatoo wrote: »

wow, how is it so much cheaper?

are you a member of a club in ireland now? did they recongnise ur licence straight away and let u go solo in their plane?

the licence you get is a JAA licence which is regonised by other JAA member states, as for flying with other clubs/schools you would have to do a few flights with them before they let you out on your own.
im not a member of any club as the only one thats near me has a waiting list:(

manatoo · 29-07-2010 11:57AM

but ireland is a JAA member state right? When did u get your licence? Do you have to do a certain number of hours every year to keep that current?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 12:04PM

manatoo wrote: »

but ireland is a JAA member state right? When did u get your licence? Do you have to do a certain number of hours every year to keep that current?

i got mine last year yeah you have to have done 12 take off/landings in a number of months to keep current,my mate who now works for FR hadnt flown in over a year before he started his hour building/CPL and he was grand.
and yes Ireland is a JAA member state the reason why i dont do much these days is due to a drop in salary and not working 5 days a week every week, i have other things that take priorty at the moment.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 12:08PM

Whats FR? You've gotta cool it with the abreevs! See my problem is that every hour = 130quid. Im working full time and I've a good job but in terms of the other things you have to spend money on in a lifetime - buying a house etc, it just seems an incredible drain on finances unless u make it to CPL and earn a living at it and even then u'll probably have so much debt from getting there and the money is so sh1t at the beginning that you'll still be 20 years paying it off!

pilot1087 · 29-07-2010 12:18PM

Hi Manatoo,

Just wondering have you done an introductory flight yet?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 12:20PM

sorry about the abreevs:D im just so used to it through work ,
FR= Ryanair
as for the training your looking at about 65k(depending on ability) to get a CPL +MEIR(multi engine instrument rating) after that about another 7k for your MCC then another 30k for a TR(type rating course) with the likes of Ryanair.
see i all ready have the negative equity house :mad: and bills to pay on less salary per week,if you could manage to get 3/4 weeks off work go to florida if you want to get it done quick.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 12:27PM

pilot1087 wrote: »

Hi Manatoo,

Just wondering have you done an introductory flight yet?

Hi, yes Ive done quite a few over the years. I had started on a course years ago at an insanely good rate in the local club (like £35 an hr) but the instructor left the club and no one else was prepared to give hours for anything like that rate.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 12:28PM

donkey balls wrote: »

sorry about the abreevs:D im just so used to it through work ,

Wait, are you a cpl?

donkey balls · 29-07-2010 12:31PM

manatoo wrote: »

Wait, are you a cpl?

nope but i know alot about the industry having worked in it for around ten years.

manatoo · 29-07-2010 12:43PM

donkey balls wrote: »

sorry about the abreevs:D im just so used to it through work ,
FR= Ryanair
as for the training your looking at about 65k(depending on ability) to get a CPL +MEIR(multi engine instrument rating) after that about another 7k for your MCC then another 30k for a TR(type rating course) with the likes of Ryanair.
see i all ready have the negative equity house :mad: and bills to pay on less salary per week,if you could manage to get 3/4 weeks off work go to florida if you want to get it done quick.

donkey balls wrote: »

nope but i know alot about the industry having worked in it for around ten years.

Hmm, can we swap jobs? Ill take ur reduced hours n all!

andy_g · 29-07-2010 10:21PM

Lads the amount of txt spk in this thread is unreal and mind boggling. Here on boards.ie it is a sitewide rule that it is not to be used.
so nxt prsn usin it w!ll get de banz dude!

Cessna_Pilot · 30-07-2010 10:24AM

Very first post quoted someone telling you it would take 2-3 years to do a PPL in Ireland? Utter bull if ever I heard it.

A PPL can be done in Ireland in a few months, I've seen it done. If you are prepared to sit everyday out waiting for weather etc. I did this with my CPL in the UK, I went into School at 8am everyday and didn't leave till 6 every evening. If the weather was crap in the morning I watched other students give up and write the day off, while I persevered and witnessed the weather improve quite often and got flying.
However I was lucky, I had no work commitments at the time so I could afford to put in the time everyday.

One rule in flight training never pay huge amounts of money up front, 2k is the most I would ever throw in ahead of flying and I would chance that in order to get a discount provided you are prepared to put a similar effort I did.

pilot1087 · 30-07-2010 11:05AM

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Very first post quoted someone telling you it would take 2-3 years to do a PPL in Ireland? Utter bull if ever I heard it.

A PPL can be done in Ireland in a few months, I've seen it done. If you are prepared to sit everyday out waiting for weather etc. I did this with my CPL in the UK, I went into School at 8am everyday and didn't leave till 6 every evening. If the weather was crap in the morning I watched other students give up and write the day off, while I persevered and witnessed the weather improve quite often and got flying.
However I was lucky, I had no work commitments at the time so I could afford to put in the time everyday.

One rule in flight training never pay huge amounts of money up front, 2k is the most I would ever throw in ahead of flying and I would chance that in order to get a discount provided you are prepared to put a similar effort I did.

I'd agree with this, be very careful when parting with large sums of money.

manatoo · 30-07-2010 11:09AM

so what do you recommend pilot1087? Are you qualilfied?

manatoo · 30-07-2010 11:12AM

hi cessna

yeah, that was from a club though and they would only do training when an instructor was available and if the 1 suitable club plane wasnt hired by a qualified member. Also I work 5 days a week and wouldnt be able to be at the club until around 7:30 each evening so it would really only be at weekends and the odd summer evening. Hence the 2-3 years. Must remember its a club, not a school they kept telling me....

donkey balls · 30-07-2010 03:04PM

andy_g wrote: »

Lads the amount of txt spk in this thread is unreal and mind boggling. Here on boards.ie it is a sitewide rule that it is not to be used.
so nxt prsn usin it w!ll get de banz dude!

andy i cant see any txt spk bud:D or are you refering to the likes of cpl/meir/mcc etc.

andy_g · 30-07-2010 06:28PM

no no i know my abreeviations :P its not very noticecable but its there.

Mr CJ · 30-07-2010 07:11PM

andy_g wrote: »

Lads the amount of txt spk in this thread is unreal and mind boggling. Here on boards.ie it is a sitewide rule that it is not to be used.
so nxt prsn usin it w!ll get de banz dude!

Hey, what is spk? nxt? prsn? :rolleyes:

BornToBe? · 30-07-2010 07:51PM

Does anyone know how much and how long it would take to get a Heli licence? I saw on a website its around €700 per hour? is that right?

donkey balls · 30-07-2010 08:30PM

BornToBe? wrote: »

Does anyone know how much and how long it would take to get a Heli licence? I saw on a website its around €700 per hour? is that right?

when i trained in the US there was a heli school accross the ramp i think the lads said it took about six weeks to train dont know about prices the name of the school was thomilson might want to check the spelling:D

PapaQuebec · 04-08-2010 12:10PM

manatoo wrote: »

Hi

I've been quoted €10k "with a discount for upfront payment" by a school at Weston for ppl course. Since it would IMO by nuts to pay that amount of cash up front at a time like this, I politely declined. My local flying club was quoting around €13k but said it would take 2.5 - 3 years. Too long for me.

Anyone have any advice? I don't wanna go outside Ireland though. Anyone do it up the North? Is there any licence recognition issues if I did that?

Cheers everyone

When I decided to go for a PPL I was advised to buy a set of interactive CBT groundschool CD's/DVDs. I did and found them excellent for learning in my own time. They cover everything from Air Law through Meteorolgy and navigation etc!

Delancey · 05-08-2010 04:57PM

I must say the guys at Weston have some balls looking for 10 Grand up front. They go wallop ( which is very possible they could given the downturn ) and the poor mug who paid up front gets a Dear Creditor letter :eek:

TW Mr Tayto · 05-08-2010 10:34PM

BornToBe? wrote: »

Does anyone know how much and how long it would take to get a Heli licence? I saw on a website its around €700 per hour? is that right?

€410 An hour where I train, worth every penny

BornToBe? · 06-08-2010 03:19PM

TW Mr Tayto wrote: »

€410 An hour where I train, worth every penny

I'd say so, how many hours do you have to fly before being able to take a test and get a licemce, whats the proccess in Ireland?

TW Mr Tayto · 06-08-2010 03:30PM

BornToBe? wrote: »

I'd say so, how many hours do you have to fly before being able to take a test and get a licemce, whats the proccess in Ireland?

45, before you're eligible to take the test. 10 of which must be solo.
The Irish Aviation Authority have enforced the SFAR73 (Special FEDRAL Aviation Regulation) from America which states that anyone who is to learning to fly Robinson helicopters must have 20 hours, and complete a theoretical in house exam before they can solo.
Most students will find it actually takes 50-60 hours before they are ready for their practical test.

jmayo · 06-08-2010 05:30PM

manatoo wrote: »

whats the story with that though, is the licence completely transferrable to Ireland? Just seems incredible to me that people can learn to fly to a satisfactory standard in 3/4 weeks froms scratch. I mean how many hours a day do you fly, how many hours a day for ground school? I don't think most people could learn to drive in that time!

NEVER EVER pay a huge sum up front.
Try and negotiate you pay for at most 5 hour blocks that can easily be covered in a few days to a week or so.

There are loads of stories of flying schools going bust leaving students well out of pocket.

Best thing to do if you are stuck for time is.
1. Do medical to ensure you are fit to fly.

2. Start studying all the theory in the Trevor Thom series of books.
Get ppl confuser to get lie of the land on types of questions you get in PPL exams.
If you get a chance get some CBT PPL DVDs and CDs.
If you can afford it go for Oxford Aviation series or the King Series.

3. Mess around with flight sim if you can to just get the knowledge of where all the flying controls are in the usual training aricraft 150, 172. PA28, Rallye etc.

4. Organise flight school in Florida that is CAA JAA approved.
Do not pay all your money upfront.
Do not pick summer as it will be too hot. Autumn is bloody warm enough.
Also pick Cessna rather than Piper.
Sitting in one on the ground with no door to open is hell.
Get US visa and have three weeks lined up.
When you get there if you are unhappy with instructor talk to the CFI/owner and organise another one.
It is your money, your time and you call the tune.
Of course if all the instructors are unsuitable then maybe look in the mirror for the problem.
Get the written exams out of the way early on.
Do not schedule to do the flight test on the very last day, leave yourself couple of days as it is less last minute pressure.
Oh and enjoy the beer and the laughs with the other guys who are all there just for flying.

6. When you get back you can then do hours in local area with local club/school and get the lie of the land, get used to different RT and weather condiditons. Then go from there.

Do not listen to the cr** that somehow pilots trained in Florida in 3 weeks are somehow substandard to ones that have taken 70/80 hours spread over a year or more to qualify.
It is intensive and sometimes you learn even more that way.

Check out Lasors on CAA website for annual flying requirements
12 hours and 12 landing within last year of expiration of rating and license lasts 5 years AFAIK.
Check out CAA website for approved flying schools.

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

isn't that where the 9/11 lads learned to 'fly'?

Yeah and so did a lot more that haven't flown into buildings ....
...
yet.

donkey balls · 06-08-2010 08:21PM

jmayo wrote: »

NEVER EVER pay a huge sum up front.
Try and negotiate you pay for at most 5 hour blocks that can easily be covered in a few days to a week or so.

There are loads of stories of flying schools going bust leaving students well out of pocket.

Best thing to do if you are stuck for time is.
1. Do medical to ensure you are fit to fly.

2. Start studying all the theory in the Trevor Thom series of books.
Get ppl confuser to get lie of the land on types of questions you get in PPL exams.
If you get a chance get some CBT PPL DVDs and CDs.
If you can afford it go for Oxford Aviation series or the King Series.

3. Mess around with flight sim if you can to just get the knowledge of where all the flying controls are in the usual training aricraft 150, 172. PA28, Rallye etc.

4. Organise flight school in Florida that is CAA JAA approved.
Do not pay all your money upfront.
Do not pick summer as it will be too hot. Autumn is bloody warm enough.
Also pick Cessna rather than Piper.
Sitting in one on the ground with no door to open is hell.
Get US visa and have three weeks lined up.
When you get there if you are unhappy with instructor talk to the CFI/owner and organise another one.
It is your money, your time and you call the tune.
Of course if all the instructors are unsuitable then maybe look in the mirror for the problem.
Get the written exams out of the way early on.
Do not schedule to do the flight test on the very last day, leave yourself couple of days as it is less last minute pressure.
Oh and enjoy the beer and the laughs with the other guys who are all there just for flying.

6. When you get back you can then do hours in local area with local club/school and get the lie of the land, get used to different RT and weather condiditons. Then go from there.

Do not listen to the cr** that somehow pilots trained in Florida in 3 weeks are somehow substandard to ones that have taken 70/80 hours spread over a year or more to qualify.
It is intensive and sometimes you learn even more that way.

Check out Lasors on CAA website for annual flying requirements
12 hours and 12 landing within last year of expiration of rating and license lasts 5 years AFAIK.
Check out CAA website for approved flying schools.

Yeah and so did a lot more that haven't flown into buildings ....
...
yet.

nothing wrong with a warrior jmayo:p grand aul plane also my mate did all his training in the USA bar the IR.

jmayo · 06-08-2010 10:57PM

donkey balls wrote: »

nothing wrong with a warrior jmayo:p grand aul plane also my mate did all his training in the USA bar the IR.

Oh yes there is when you are stuck on a runway, sun beating down and no way of keeping the other door open.
Ever try to get some airflow through the little opening/vent on the pilots side ?
At least with Cessna you can throw back the door or open the window and let the wash from the prop cool you down.
It feels like heaven in comparison to a PA28.

Also high wing means lot better views underneath and you don't have that God damm awful flap lever.

Only big advantage of Piper is checking the fuel.

donkey balls · 06-08-2010 11:13PM

everyone to their own only ever been in a 150 once,as for the likes of taxiing in a pa28 i allways leave the pax door open upto to holding short of the rwy.
there also a good plane for the ground affect on landing and the veiw around them i think imo is good.

BornToBe? · 09-08-2010 02:33PM

TW Mr Tayto wrote: »

45, before you're eligible to take the test. 10 of which must be solo.
The Irish Aviation Authority have enforced the SFAR73 (Special FEDRAL Aviation Regulation) from America which states that anyone who is to learning to fly Robinson helicopters must have 20 hours, and complete a theoretical in house exam before they can solo.
Most students will find it actually takes 50-60 hours before they are ready for their practical test.

50 - 60 hours? @€;400 per hour = €20k - 24k wow?
plus fees for tests etc.
can that be right? €25k for a heli licence in Ireland?
Alot of people here saying its cheaper to go to america,
Is it?
Does the licence you get allow you to fly here?
anyone have any experience?

Cheapest way to get a ppl anyone??!?!

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