Is Ireland "British"?

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 02:46AM #1

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

Ruu_Old · 09-09-2010 02:47AM

Fawk sake, not this ruddy crap again! :mad:

Kersmash · 09-09-2010 02:50AM

nope.

Revolution9 · 09-09-2010 02:52AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

If we were secretly run by the British, I imagine it would be...you know... a secret...the type of thing you wouldn't simply find out by asking boards.

Conspiracy Theory forum is that way >>>>>>>

DOC09UNAM · 09-09-2010 02:52AM

shít thread.
we're irish, hint is in the names.

britain is british.
ireland is irish.

Hank Scorpio · 09-09-2010 02:53AM

jaysus, your some sh1t stirrer lad

OPENROAD · 09-09-2010 02:54AM

My Head hurts

minidazzler · 09-09-2010 02:57AM

No we are not British, we are the Republic of Ireland, we are not part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

See how we aren't in the Kingdom so that we have no monarchy? That makes us not british.

KingLoser · 09-09-2010 02:58AM

RockinRolla be RockaTrollin

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 02:58AM

Revolution9 wrote: »

If we were secretly run by the British, I imagine it would be...you know... a secret...the type of thing you wouldn't simply find out by asking boards.

Conspiracy Theory forum is that way >>>>>>>

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

Davek1312 · 09-09-2010 03:00AM

We've fought to say we're Irish for too long so **** OFF

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 03:01AM

Ireland isn't British. It's Irish. That's self-evident.
The term 'British' Isles is a Victorian one long jettisoned in favour of the collective term 'Britain and Ireland' to describe the archipelago.
Having said that, the British occupy a quarter of our island, patrol our borders and seas, collect intelligence from our security forces and dominate our culture.
So in the sense of power and cultural dynamics, the question isn't quite so stupid as it first appears.
And having said that, I do reckon the OP is simply trolling.

Connie_c28 · 09-09-2010 03:01AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

You say in another post:
We don't own this land, we own nothing - we're just passing through and for, what is a millisecond (our lives) compared to the timescale of the Earth, we should appreciate what little time has been given to us while we are here before we close our eyes for the rest of eternity.

Well if 'we own nothing' what right have Britain to lay claim to the land?

mikemac · 09-09-2010 03:02AM

I predict this thread will end well with lots of useful contributions

The OP did post this in After Hours after all

National Geographic state British and Irish Isles to answer your question OP

Revolution9 · 09-09-2010 03:02AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

You asked

so are we really run, secretly, by Britain?

Nothing about a conspiracy? I imagine if Britain was secretly in control of the Republic of Ireland it would very much be conspiratorial.

Vorsprung · 09-09-2010 03:02AM

The the 1,000,000th time...

The British Isles is a geographical description, not a political description.

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 03:03AM

minidazzler wrote: »

That makes us not british.

But we're in the British Isles...

If you're born here, you're British. Much like a Mexican or Chilean is from the Americas.

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 03:03AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

nothing about a conspiracy for crying out loud...

The question was whether or not Ireland was in Britain or a part of the British Isles which would make us British.

We are part of a group of Islands known as the British Isles.

Within the British Isles lies 2 states. The UK and Republic of Ireland.

knird evol · 09-09-2010 03:04AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

We aren't kidding anyone by dressing up monkeys and sending them to the Dail every morning - so are we really run, secretly, by Britain? I mean, even the 'auld Geography/Atlas books say we're in the British Isles.

If we're in the British Isles, sure aren't we British then?

"British Isles" is a geographic term. The collection of islands is given the tag or name british isles. "The Republic of Ireland" is a political entity. Its only current affiliation to the UK is that they are both members of the EU.

This is all just splitting hairs though as far as the Lizard People are concerned. They will liquidate all these redundant human ideas when the right time comes.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 03:07AM

IvySlayer wrote: »

We are part of a group of Islands known as the British Isles.

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 03:09AM

Humouring you, no we are not.

While we are, undeniably, a part of the British Isles, we are still Irish. Belonging to a geographical grouping does not automatically indicate belonging to the named/larger/more influential political entity in that grouping. For instance, the people living in the Falklands are British, not South American. The people living in Gibralter are definately British and not Spanish. The Channel Islands are not actually part of the British Isles yet are, indeed, British. And conversely, while Ireland IS a part of the British Isles, we are in fact a soverign country called Ireland.

Happy?

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 03:10AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

It's still the British Isles. Deal with it.

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 03:11AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

If the year is anno domini 1870. These days, it's simply Britain and Ireland. Politically part of Ireland is British-occupied. It's known as Northern Ireland to distinguish it from the rest of the island.

BRITISH ISLES = GEOGRAPHICAL NAME!! It's still used today.

Brazil aren't American because they are in the South American continent.

RockinRolla · 09-09-2010 03:13AM

IvySlayer wrote: »

BRITISH ISLES = GEOGRAPHICAL NAME!! It's still used today.

Brazil aren't American because they are in the South American continent.

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 03:13AM

miss no stars wrote: »

It's still the British Isles. Deal with it.

No, it isn't. It's Britain and Ireland. Don't live in the past. The empire's over, you know.

uwala · 09-09-2010 03:15AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No, it isn't. It's Britain and Ireland. Don't live in the past. The empire's over, you know.

Oh yes it is. We can go on all night if you like, Mr Mc Kevitt.

miss no stars · 09-09-2010 03:16AM

Erm. No, it's the British Isles. There are more than just the UK and Ireland included in the British Isles, as it includes dependancies of the crown. We got our independance decades ago, get over the hatred and fenian attitudes.

KingLoser · 09-09-2010 03:17AM

Hey OP, go get a British passport with your argument and then get back to us eh?

IvySlayer · 09-09-2010 03:20AM

RockinRolla wrote: »

Brazil ARE in the America's, so they're Americans.

So if someone said you 'I'm American'

You'd think they were from Canada, Brazil, Argentina....etc etc

...Jesus Christ.

Cavehill Red · 09-09-2010 03:24AM

uwala wrote: »

Oh yes it is. We can go on all night if you like, Mr Mc Kevitt.

FAIL. On two counts. My name's not McKevitt and, oh look!

The term British Isles is controversial in relation to Ireland, where there are objections to its usage due to the association of the word British with Ireland. The Government of Ireland does not use the term and its embassy in London discourages its use. As a result, Britain and Ireland is becoming a preferred description, and Atlantic Archipelago is increasingly favoured in academia, although British Isles is still commonly employed.

From wiki.

A spokesman for the Irish Embassy in London said: “The British Isles has a dated ring to it, as if we are still part of the Empire. We are independent, we are not part of Britain, not even in geographical terms. We would discourage its useage.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article658099.ece
From the London Times.

British Isles: A geographical term taken to mean Great Britain, Ireland and some or all of the adjacent islands such as Orkney, Shetland and the Isle of Man. The phrase is best avoided, given its (understandable) unpopularity in the Irish Republic. The plate in the National Geographic Atlas of the World once titled British Isles now reads Britain and Ireland.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/b
From the Manchester Guardian.

Now, since even the voices of British media authority and our own Government agree it's Britain and Ireland, who are you to argue?

09-09-2010 03:31AM

I would have gone for "North-West Europe isles", or a shortened "Brinirish isles", but "Atlantic Archipalagio"....I like it.

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