Lexus GS300 Consumption?

I Was VB · 28-12-2010 7:15pm #1

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201049200521819

Looking at this Lexus, how bad are they on fuel??

corglass · 28-12-2010 7:48pm

I Was VB wrote: »

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201049200521819

Looking at this Lexus, how bad are they on fuel??

Fantastic looking car for the money!

Stoolbend · 28-12-2010 7:58pm

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/usedcar/vehicleDetails.asp?id=58941

It'd be a nice machine for someone who doesn't do too many miles.

I Was VB · 28-12-2010 8:00pm

barry81 wrote: »

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/search/usedcar/vehicleDetails.asp?id=58941

It'd be a nice machine for someone who doesn't do too many miles.

Not too bad!! Anything under 10L/100Km is alright with me!! Thanks for the link!

mullingar · 28-12-2010 8:05pm

Around 25mpg in old money

Padraig Mor · 28-12-2010 9:05pm

I've done about 15000 km in mine. Roughly equal back road / city / motorway driving. Getting about 26 mpg on average (actual figures, not computer; about 520-540 km per 58 litre fill). Best 28 mpg. 30+ should be easily achievable if mostly motorway. Let me know if you need any more info. That one is the top spec but missing optional adaptive radar cruise control and wood steering wheel. Still way more gadgets than any BMW though....

I Was VB · 28-12-2010 9:10pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I've done about 15000 km in mine. Roughly equal back road / city / motorway driving. Getting about 26 mpg on average (actual figures, not computer; about 520-540 km per 58 litre fill). Best 28 mpg. 30+ should be easily achievable if mostly motorway. Let me know if you need any more info. That one is the top spec but missing optional adaptive radar cruise control and wood steering wheel. Still way more gadgets than any BMW though....

The wooden steering wheel is the one thing i would like, also a black interior. But the others i've looked at were '16 multi-spoke alloys and no boot spoiler. The 5 spoke '17 look much better.

Any faults you've noticed in yours?

colm_mcm · 28-12-2010 9:24pm

Think the standard wheels were 17 and sport was 18?

Eric Cartman · 28-12-2010 9:29pm

it needs the wood wheel , aside from that, savage machines, are you intending to taxi plate it VB ?

Padraig Mor · 28-12-2010 9:38pm

Executive (SE in UK) have 10 spoke 225/50/R17s as standard (I have this). Sport (SE-L in UK) have 5 spoke 235/40/R18 IIRC. I'm not a fan of the black interior - it comes (only) with a wood interior which is, quite frankly, red. Faults - slight leak from a shock fixed under (Lexus) warranty. Just passed NCT last week no problems. Notoriously bad on snow/ice though if that's an issue. Not sure what kind of warranty you'd get from that dealer though........

unkel · 28-12-2010 9:42pm

Looks like a good deal! If you're thinking of taxiing her in Dublin, I don't think you'll do more than 20MPG in her, VB...

That said, you do the servicing yourself and the car will cost you very little in maintenance even with big mileage. Do the sums

Padraig Mor · 28-12-2010 9:53pm

I think 20 mpg would be a pipe dream for dublin taxi work tbh! I'd be looking at the 450H hybrid for that....

bazz26 · 28-12-2010 10:24pm

The hybrid version might be worth a look at if you plan to use it as a taxi:

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=201047200323346

colm_mcm · 28-12-2010 10:41pm

We sold a gs450h to a chauffeur, he had major hassles as it comes with a space saver wheel and its impossible to get a full size wheel in as the batteries take up so much space.

Think we stuck a full size in the boot for the nct

Also the tiny boot means it wouldn't make a great taxi, dunno if they even qualify as a taxi because of these reasons.

Bigcheeze · 28-12-2010 10:52pm

Is there usually such massive depreciation on Lexus ? Prices seem too good to be true.

bazz26 · 28-12-2010 10:55pm

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Is there usually such massive depreciation on Lexus ? Prices seem too good to be true.

It's a 3.0 litre petrol engined car in a country that has gone low tax diesel mad.

colm_mcm · 28-12-2010 11:08pm

Having driven a 300 with the wooden wheel I'd disagree. Feels great actually and won't go grubby like leather.

L-M · 28-12-2010 11:17pm

Feck they do really seem cheap! That or a new Passat, I know what I'd be going for!!

Andrew42 · 28-12-2010 11:17pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

We sold a gs450h to a chauffeur, he had major hassles as it comes with a space saver wheel and its impossible to get a full size wheel in as the batteries take up so much space.

Think we stuck a full size in the boot for the nct

Also the tiny boot means it wouldn't make a great taxi, dunno if they even qualify as a taxi because of these reasons.

Why did you stick a full size in for the NCT? If a car comes equipped with a space saver it is perfectly acceptable with the NCT crowd. Are all the BMW's that use Run Flats (no spare) going to fail NCT's? I think not. Plus, Hybrids are exempt from the size regulations for taxi's.

colm_mcm · 28-12-2010 11:28pm

this was back when the gs450h first came out. It was a major headache back then, and we had to put a wheel from a new gs in for the day. perhaps they changed the law since 2007.
Didn't know about the size regulation exemption but it doesn't alter the fact that it still has a tiny boot which is too small for a taxi.

29-12-2010 12:04am

Andrew42 wrote: »

Why did you stick a full size in for the NCT? If a car comes equipped with a space saver it is perfectly acceptable with the NCT crowd. Are all the BMW's that use Run Flats (no spare) going to fail NCT's? I think not. Plus, Hybrids are exempt from the size regulations for taxi's.

Do PSVs not require a full size spare ?

Edit, no longer I see
http://www.taxiregulator.ie/industry-FAQs.html

Is a space saver spare wheel now OK for the suitability inspection?
Yes, the requirement is that whatever equipment the manufacturer supplied originally is required.

daRobot · 29-12-2010 2:21am

These seem to be excellent value.

Spent a bit of time in the back of one on a long motorway journey in the UK recently, and to be honest, wasn't impressed with the ride at all.

Perhaps that was the tyre setup on the car I was in, but I would have expected it to be much better.

x in the city · 29-12-2010 2:32am

unkel wrote: »

Looks like a good deal! If you're thinking of taxiing her in Dublin, I don't think you'll do more than 20MPG in her, VB...

That said, you do the servicing yourself and the car will cost you very little in maintenance even with big mileage. Do the sums

not sure that car would be very servicable, even and oil and filter change may need specialist tools?

id say anything above that is specialist equipment territory.

29-12-2010 3:47am

x in the city wrote: »

not sure that car would be very servicable, even and oil and filter change may need specialist tools?

id say anything above that is specialist equipment territory.

100% very servicable for any remotely capable person, many modern Lexus cars actually have a drainable filter that makes the oil change procedure a very tidy job as you drain it off before removing it. Draining the oil from the sump is the same as any other normal car. Spark plugs, pads etc are all nothing out of the ordinary either.

I Was VB · 29-12-2010 4:01am

I've always loved the GS300's, feck it do it while im young. No kids, wife, house to look after and pay for. Dont drink dont smoke. I've convinced myself, all i have to do now is convince the bank manager!

29-12-2010 4:04am

I think you'd be mad to spend that on a car you intend to taxi in unless you reckon you'll get extra work out of it. As you know I only drive cheap ole yokes though

I Was VB · 29-12-2010 4:06am

RoverJames wrote: »

I think you'd be mad to spend that on a car you intend to taxi in unless you reckon you'll get extra work out of it. As you know I only drive cheap ole yokes though

Been driving cheap old yoke for years, time to a bit of flash!

Dermo123 · 29-12-2010 8:05am

colm_mcm wrote: »

this was back when the gs450h first came out. It was a major headache back then, and we had to put a wheel from a new gs in for the day. perhaps they changed the law since 2007.

Surely when the GS450h first came out it would not need NCT for 4 years after that? Or maybe is it that one used as a taxi/limo needs and NCT straight away from new?

skyhighflyer · 29-12-2010 11:07am

Why don't you go for this GS450h at half the price instead?

colm_mcm · 29-12-2010 4:17pm

That's savage value assuming its in good nick.

I Was VB · 29-12-2010 4:49pm

Boot is too small for a taxi.

http://www.taxiregulator.ie/files/Model_Report_Database_22-10-10_PDF.pdf

colm_mcm · 29-12-2010 5:33pm

Previous poster reckons hybrids are exempt from size requirements, and it is an ex limo. I get the feeling there's a good few owners on that if its the one I think it is

pajo1981 · 29-12-2010 5:40pm

Amazing cars for the money.

Sometimes wish I had given them more consideration when I was looking.

What's up with the digital clock and the tape deck, though?

Mr Benevolent · 29-12-2010 5:41pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

That's savage value assuming its in good nick.

Agreed, stunning value. What's wrong with it?

Max Power1 · 29-12-2010 5:41pm

Confab wrote: »

Agreed, stunning value. What's wrong with it?

Its in ireland.

hairyman · 29-12-2010 5:58pm

Max Power1 wrote: »

Its in ireland.

I'm inclined to agree.

Its going to cost a fortune to run, and what some may see as great value I would see as an example of horrid depreciation, depreciation that you will also bare the brunt of.

In saying that, I have always liked the look of the GS.
Not to everybody's taste but so much more interesting than the droves of German box's on the roads.

Barr · 29-12-2010 6:04pm

Absolute beauty of a car , great value if you do low mileage. Never seen one as a taxi though.

unkel · 29-12-2010 6:08pm

I Was VB wrote: »

I've always loved the GS300's, feck it do it while im young. No kids, wife, house to look after and pay for. Dont drink dont smoke. I've convinced myself, all i have to do now is convince the bank manager!

Damn' right! Good for you!

You've suffered enough driving that piece of shoite for years

Time to do your work in a bit more comfort

unkel · 29-12-2010 6:13pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

Previous poster reckons hybrids are exempt from size requirements

Why would that be - it doesn't make sense?

Anyway it is specifically excluded in the link VB attached. It fails because of lack of luggage capacity.

Great bargain anyway :eek:

colm_mcm · 29-12-2010 6:15pm

pajo1981 wrote: »

Amazing cars for the money.

Sometimes wish I had given them more consideration when I was looking.

What's up with the digital clock and the tape deck, though?

CLock thing is weird given that they have a touch screen too. Tape is a bit old tech, I'm guessing the target American audience want a tape player. Nearly all Lexus cars have a tape deck as do top spec toyotas

The mark levinson sound system in those is the bizz

Owen · 29-12-2010 7:09pm

Lovely car, a valetor in one of the places I worked in previously had one. 20mpg is about right, but a really comfortable 20 mpg

Padraig Mor · 29-12-2010 7:54pm

Re the boot: it's ****. The GS300 boot at 430 litres seems good on paper but the shape is a bit odd meaning it's difficult to actually USE the space. For instance, it will be impossible to place any larger buggy flat against the back of the boot, instead it needs to be laid diagonally. However, what's even worse is the boot opening itself - it's tiny! I recently needed to transport a 21" non-flatscreen TV and had to put it on the back seat as couldn't fit it through the boot door.

But that's not the worst part of the GS! Y'know the way petrol pumps 'click' off when the tank is nearly full? Well whatever Japanese gob****e designed the GS's tank system, he ballsed it up! It keeps clicking off when filling!

2 litres in
'click'
another litre
'click'
few more litres
'click'

Eventually you manage to adopt a half in, half turned configuration for the pump to get it to work properly!

Besides that though, it's a great car. You're welcome to have a good look at mine if you're around Cork. Re servicing: most of it seems pretty straight forward from what I can see, and pretty DIY-able.

Bigcheeze · 29-12-2010 10:25pm

hairyman wrote: »

Its going to cost a fortune to run, and what some may see as great value I would see as an example of horrid depreciation, depreciation that you will also bare the brunt of.

I don't follow your logic. If he buys a 4 year old 80k car for 17k how is he bearing the brunt of the depreciation ?

hairyman · 29-12-2010 10:48pm

Bigcheeze wrote: »

I don't follow your logic. If he buys a 4 year old 80k car for 17k how is he bearing the brunt of the depreciation ?

My logic is in the resale/trade in value,

Yes its very cheap for the year and the mileage is good, there is no getting away from the fact that even though its a fine car it is still destined to lose money far faster than any of its German counterparts.

It makes sense as a keeper, but try trading it in in another 4 years and it will be worth an awful lot less.

bazz26 · 29-12-2010 10:54pm

hairyman wrote: »

My logic is in the resale/trade in value,

Yes its very cheap for the year and the mileage is good, there is no getting away from the fact that even though its a fine car it is still destined to lose money far faster than any of its German counterparts.

It makes sense as a keeper, but try trading it in in another 4 years and it will be worth an awful lot less.

The car's previous owners have already taken the hit on most of the depreciation on that car at this stage. In 4 years time it will be an 8 years old ex taxi with serious mileage racked up on it, so it will be worth sweet feck all whether it be a Lexus GS or a Skoda Octavia TDi. I know which one I'd rather be using as my place of work.

Anyway it's a mute point as the GS doesn't meet the new taxi regulations.

unkel · 29-12-2010 10:57pm

hairyman wrote: »

try trading it in in another 4 years and it will be worth an awful lot less.

Most cars will be worth well less than half 4 years after buying them, whether they were brand new or 4 years old at the time

Nobody in their right mind will buy a €17k GS300 and intend to sell it within a few years. Worst case scenario and you'll keep it for 5 years and it's worth nought. Depreciation of a bit over €3k per year is very low, lower than someone buying a 2 year old sh1tbox and keeping it for 3 years...

Not many people in Ireland able to do the sums properly and long may it last

unkel · 29-12-2010 10:59pm

bazz26 wrote: »

the GS doesn't meet the new taxi regulations.

It does, just the hybrid one doesn't!

colm_mcm · 29-12-2010 11:15pm

Hmm gs hybrid or Calcutta spec golf diesel....

Decisions....

bazz26 · 29-12-2010 11:20pm

unkel wrote: »

It does, just the hybrid one doesn't!

Ah right, got you.

Padraig Mor · 30-12-2010 9:05pm

unkel wrote: »

Nobody in their right mind will buy a €17k GS300 and intend to sell it within a few years.

Yeah......cough........

unkel · 30-12-2010 10:30pm

Just enjoy the comfort & luxury, Padraig

And laugh every time you see someone in a miserable (nearly) new econobox knowing your luxobarge costs you less than that

Lexus GS300 Consumption?

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