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Becoming a Taxi Driver part time.

  • 06-01-2011 02:49PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭


    Hi

    As the title says i am considering becoming a taxi driver part time. I currently am working in financial services and have a week off every three weeks and it drives me insane sitting at home!! I figure that I could use this time off a little more productively and would like an extra source of income as I am also training as a pilot which is extremely expensive. My father is also unemployed so I would like to provide him with some work when I am at my other job or not working. This is a big motivator for me. I have a new car and would operate in the Dublin area. Some quick questions I have are?

    How much could I potentially to earn on average for example Monday to Fri working say.... 9 to 5 ? Just a rough estimate.

    How much could I potentially earn at the weekends?? I would be willing to work most weekends in the evening.

    Am I correct in thinking if both me and my father obtain a SPSV driver licence each we can operate on the same car with one SPSV vehicle licence?

    I would like to earn about E750 to E1000 p/m working part time. Is this possible?

    Tanks in advance
    MrPoker


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    best put a flame suit on for the kind of replies that will come here.

    Firstly the industry is massively over supplied, especially in Dublin. Working during the weekdays when a vast majority of others will be working too will make for tough and quiet days.

    Second is the car suitable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    Your main risk here is to the value of your car and the cost in buying the relevant paraphernalia.

    You say you have a new car. If you taxi in it for 3 months, decide you don't like it and then give it up, your car will be worth a lot less than what it was worth otherwise. You will get the benefit of minimal road tax and being able to take the bus lane in to work in your normal job.

    Other than the value of your car you have nothing to lose if you can carry on with your existing job. If you are prepared to work weekend nights most weekends then that is where the big income comes in. Then on your off weeks you can spend the time you'd be wasting covering the cost of the overheads of taxiing and meet some decent people making the weekend stuff overhead free!

    It sounds like a winner to me and lots of people with different working patterns, such as firefighters and teachers, all do the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    You say you have a new car. If you taxi in it for 3 months, decide you don't like it and then give it up, your car will be worth a lot less than what it was worth otherwise. You will get the benefit of minimal road tax and being able to take the bus lane in to work in your normal job.

    aren't you only allowed in the lane with passengers? out of service buses aren't supposed to use bus lanes (not that it happens)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭MrPoker


    Haha, thanks for the flame suit advice Cookie_monster. Yes I am aware that the industry seems to be over supplied just from driving through town. I think I would be more inclined to stay away from the ranks and drive around looking for the work but then again what do I know? I have drove down the quays on nights and seen people desperate for taxis. I would make myself available to work nights no problem if I found it any easier. I have asked a few drivers and am getting mixed signals from them, most say its very hard to find work in while others say you can earn some decent money as long as you put the hard work in. Ive always been a very hard worker so this shouldn't be a problem. At least if it doesn't work out I have something to fall back on. The car is suitable. Its a 2.0L 08 Audi A4. I bought it at the end of last year

    Is there a way that I could rent a taxi for a couple of weeks just to test what its like out there? I'm only researching this idea at the moment so any views are welcome.

    Thanks
    MrPoker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Ah, a nice car to have as a taxi instead of the usual heaps :)

    If you are willing to work late, especially Friday and Sat you could probably do well enough.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭MrPoker


    Thanks for the input so far lads. Yeah its a very nice car alright and efficient too. The condition of some of the taxis out there is beyond belief. I don't mind the age of a taxi as long as its clean on the inside. Working the weekend is no problem for me as i am off the drink anyway to save money to fly and keep fit for the football year so the extra work would be fairly appreciated. Friday and Saturday nights are a killer sitting in so this may take my mind off it.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    aren't there PRSI/welfare implications? ie if you were to lose your other job, you might not be entitled to the dole as cabbies are considered to be self-employed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Terrontress


    aren't you only allowed in the lane with passengers? out of service buses aren't supposed to use bus lanes (not that it happens)


    I believe that it is all open to interpretation. I've heard taxi drivers claim that by plying for hire they are engaged in taxiing so can use the lane. Others keep a sealed envelope nearby and say they are delivering that so are on a fare. I guess it just takes it to go to court for a definitive answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    aren't you only allowed in the lane with passengers? out of service buses aren't supposed to use bus lanes (not that it happens)

    Has an empty taxi ever been prosecuted for driving in a bus lane? I doubt it! I regularly see empty taxis that even have their sign lit and are for hire in bus lanes. Perk of the trade I suppose!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,263 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    Some honest answers here from an ex taxi driver
    MrPoker wrote: »
    How much could I potentially to earn on average for example Monday to Fri working say.... 9 to 5 ? Just a rough estimate.

    Daytime, realistically you are looking between €60-€100 a day for those hours. If you spent €20 a day on diesel, your €60 becomes €40 and that's before you consider any other road expense. Like insurance, washing your car, paying off your plate, maintaining your car, new tyres etc. Your take in the evenings will be a bit higher but not all that much bar weekends, some wet nights or if there is a big match on in town.

    You need to be aware that for every €10 you take in, about €6 will go out to cover your running expense on the road; there is a lot of work done for you to just cover your back
    MrPoker wrote: »
    How much could I potentially earn at the weekends?? I would be willing to work most weekends in the evening.

    Fridays these days are a washout with nothing like the crowds out there like there used to be; Saturdays are the only busy night in Dublin and even they are a shadow. To pull in any decent cash on these nights you will be looking at 12 hours both days until about 5AM; that's 24 hours on it's own and it takes it out of you never mind the other days/nights. I won't throw a figure at you as the Saturdays in December can be very good while last Saturday (New Years Day) saw city clubs close up early so there are plenty of slack times to take into account. Think of it like this; pubs and cafes are empty or going bust in Dublin so just who is there for you to bring home? The custom isn't there regardless of the amount of competition you will have for every fare.
    MrPoker wrote: »
    Am I correct in thinking if both me and my father obtain a SPSV driver licence each we can operate on the same car with one SPSV vehicle licence?

    Yes but you both will need full taxi insurance; unless you both have a clean NCB then it could be an exorbitant rate while one crash/incident by the other and you are both off the road.
    MrPoker wrote: »
    I would like to earn about E750 to E1000 p/m working part time. Is this possible?

    Yes but as I said you need to take in over twice as much to come out with that much. There are also other things to bear in mind...
    • Taxi plates are no longer able to be sold freely as they used to be so once it's bought that's it.
    • New plates require wheelchair accessible cars; are you willing to invest in one?
    • If you both share a car, who works what weekends which is when it's most busy? This will lessen both your earning potentials.
    • Who pays for what bills when something does go wrong?
    • Also, if your father is on welfare he will have to sign off as he is working and he will lose his dole payments.
    • Your car will be devalued by 70% in a year regardless of how well kept it is.

    If I were you I'd spend the spare time with your kids or take up a hobby with your one week off as it's too hard a way to make what is rather a small amount of money for the time and money put into it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    MrPoker wrote: »
    How much could I potentially to earn on average for example Monday to Fri working say.... 9 to 5 ? Just a rough estimate.

    Whereabouts in the country are you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    You need to be aware that for every €10 you take in, about €6 will go out to cover your running expense on the road; there is a lot of work done for you to just cover your back
    a 40% operating margin is pretty good, regardless of what industry you operate in.

    Whereabouts in the country are you?

    I'll give you a clue, its written in the first post ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Ignore me folks :o

    I've read it again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    Your car is no good if its 2008,you will only be able to put a licence on a car under 3 years old which yours wont be by the time you get your licence. Your first years insurance will be over €5000 with two drivers.
    It wont be worth your while as its getting more expensive to own and run a Taxi.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    Has an empty taxi ever been prosecuted for driving in a bus lane? I doubt it! I regularly see empty taxis that even have their sign lit and are for hire in bus lanes. Perk of the trade I suppose!
    That rule has been changed and Taxis can now use bus lanes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,567 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    2qk4u wrote: »
    Your car is no good if its 2008,you will only be able to put a licence on a car under 3 years old which yours wont be by the time you get your licence.

    eh?

    Nine years isn't it?
    allowing only cars under 3 years old would collapse the industry overnight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    I'm surprised a lot of taxi drivers are not in here yelling .... no more part-timers etc etc etc

    OP.... if you are confident of making some money during your "week off" ...go for it, but there are easier ways for you to make money working 1 week a month... probably with less initial outlay.

    2qk4u wrote: »
    That rule has been changed and Taxis can now use bus lanes.
    Do you have a link to the law ammendment which permits taxi drivers to use bus lanes whenever they want ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    eh?

    Nine years isn't it?
    allowing only cars under 3 years old would collapse the industry overnight

    New regulations only allow transfer of licence to a car under 3 years or under unless you already own a licence in which case you can change it to a car under 9 years old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    I'm surprised a lot of taxi drivers are not in here yelling .... no more part-timers etc etc etc

    OP.... if you are confident of making some money during your "week off" ...go for it, but there are easier ways for you to make money working 1 week a month... probably with less initial outlay.



    Do you have a link to the law ammendment which permits taxi drivers to use bus lanes whenever they want ?

    I dont have a link and im not going searching for it. It was changed to allow Taxis use bus lanes to move around freely to make it to customers on time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭2qk4u


    eh?

    Nine years isn't it?
    allowing only cars under 3 years old would collapse the industry overnight

    Ant thats why there is a high court challenge going on at the moment.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    I'm surprised a lot of taxi drivers are not in here yelling .... no more part-timers etc etc etc

    OP.... if you are confident of making some money during your "week off" ...go for it, but there are easier ways for you to make money working 1 week a month... probably with less initial outlay.



    Do you have a link to the law ammendment which permits taxi drivers to use bus lanes whenever they want ?
    Says so here :
    http://taxiregulation.nationaltransport.ie/for-operators/spsv-vehicle-licensing/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,263 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    a 40% operating margin is pretty good, regardless of what industry you operate in.

    Which is fair enough except that we are talking about a sole traders income after running expenses as opposed to trades who can charge set fees or whom pay regular salaries with a specified hourly rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭the boss of me


    @ the OP ... do you have a PSV license ? If not, you will have to apply for one and sit a test. By all accounts the area knowledge test is very difficult with a failure rate of around 80%. It's also quite a long drawn out process so if you apply now you might just about be ready to start by the Summer (if you're lucky).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    2qk4u wrote: »
    I dont have a link and im not going searching for it. It was changed to allow Taxis use bus lanes to move around freely to make it to customers on time.

    In truly typical ambiguous Irishese...the wording can be interpreted in a multitude of different ways...

    Originally only Taxi`s with a passenger on-board were permitted to use the With Flow Bus Lanes.

    After quite a while a new form of words appeared which referred to Taxi`s "in the course of their business" being allowed to use the With Flow Bus Lanes.

    One can see the rise in ambiguity in direct parallell with the introduction of the "New Reigeme" aka..The Commission on Taxi Regulation...sheesh..Irish Public Administration seems to have a bottomless pit full of people well versed in ambiguity.

    The latest version comes courtesy of The Taxi Regulation Directorate of The National Transport Authority (Phew...!!) and it states.....
    # May use with-flow bus lanes when operating as an SPSV;

    Operating...now there`s a term worth a few hours of a Senior Counsel`s time for sure !

    Mind you the most un-enigmatic element is the proviso that the dispension refers only to With-Flow Bus Lanes,something which many Taxi Drivers appear unaware of,but equally most Traffic Corps Gardai are acutely aware of.....(Stephens Green/Leeson St is a shoot-goldfish-in-a-barrell location) :D


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