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saorview logo bottom left hand corner of RTE1

liamtech · 2011-01-22 21:24:01

Am i nuts or is it there - il try and get a screen grab using my PVR - 9:25PM - still there - recording using the PVR - Doesnt appear on any other DTT stations - yet i noticed the sound went a bit nuts just before it appeared - i actually thought my indoor aerial was acting up but then paused(myself not the image) when i…

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Am i nuts or is it there - il try and get a screen grab using my PVR -

9:25PM - still there - recording using the PVR -

Doesnt appear on any other DTT stations - yet

i noticed the sound went a bit nuts just before it appeared - i actually thought my indoor aerial was acting up but then paused(myself not the image) when i saw the logo appear

Did anyone else notice the sound going - assuming the logo is there and i am not loosing my mind!

Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants

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#2 22-01-2011 09:25PM

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Just appeared. Sound also dropped for 10 seconds when it appeared. Surely they are hardly testing at 9.30 on Saturday night!

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#3 22-01-2011 09:26PM

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Same here from Mullaghanish, appeared on the programme promos and adverts after the news on RTÉ 1.

Edit: No sound problems.

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#4 22-01-2011 09:28PM

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Cairn hill too...plus message on temporary channel: This is a temporary service which will close April 2011

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#5 22-01-2011 09:30PM

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Well thanks for confirming that im not nuts! LOL

What indeed are they playing at - saturday night is hardly the time for messing about -

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#6 22-01-2011 09:35PM

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from 3 rock also

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#7 22-01-2011 09:36PM

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Is it just me or has the quality of that Temp RTE2 station dramatically dropped - i havent watched it much - just a glance one in a while but my god it looks crap at the moment - its almost impossible to read the saorview notification

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#8 22-01-2011 09:40PM

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screencap of saorview DOG

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#9 22-01-2011 09:46PM

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liamtech wrote: »

Is it just me or has the quality of that Temp RTE2 station dramatically dropped - i havent watched it much - just a glance one in a while but my god it looks crap at the moment - its almost impossible to read the saorview notification

Noticed that too.

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#10 22-01-2011 09:46PM

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What on earth are they thinking???

Another ugly dog...makes me want to go back to analogue

2 dogs now

What next?

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#11 22-01-2011 09:58PM

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RTE Two Temp bitrate was 1.6Mbit CBR, now 1.2Mbit That DOG is annoying

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#12 22-01-2011 09:59PM

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2 dogs now

What next?

A cat?

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#13 22-01-2011 11:04PM

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well of course they want RTE2 temp to look bad!

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#14 22-01-2011 11:28PM

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watty wrote: »

well of course they want RTE2 temp to look bad!

That makes perfect sense - i wonder will any of the other channels have there resolution increased now - or perhaps when the temp channel is wound up in april - RTE1 would look a lot better with a higher bit rate and/or resolution increase.

Unrelated but just wanted to let Watty know im set up on techtir - pending approval!

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#15 22-01-2011 11:48PM

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BlackBriar wrote:

What on earth are they thinking???

Another ugly dog...makes me want to go back to analogue

2 dogs now

What next?

Probably only temporary, a way of raising awareness of SaorView. You can tell a given receiver will receive RTÉ One OK from the logo presence, and you can also tell it will receive HD OK, as you will no longer be able to pass of RTÉ Two Temp as guaranteed RTÉ Two reception.

TheCush wrote:

Same here from Mullaghanish

mickeyboymel wrote:

Cairn hill too

jamescc wrote:

from 3 rock also

All of the encoding is done at Donnybrook. Every DTT site receives the exact same feed so what one person gets, everyone gets.

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#16 23-01-2011 12:09AM

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liamtech wrote: »

That makes perfect sense - i wonder will any of the other channels have there resolution increased now - or perhaps when the temp channel is wound up in april - RTE1 would look a lot better with a higher bit rate and/or resolution increase.

Once the Temp channel is removed it will be replaced by the RTÉjr / RTÉ Plus channel late April/May at which point the multiplex will be full.

See RTÉ's multiplex plan here (posted by Apogee).

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#17 23-01-2011 10:25AM

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liamtech wrote: »

That makes perfect sense - i wonder will any of the other channels have there resolution increased now - or perhaps when the temp channel is wound up in april - RTE1 would look a lot better with a higher bit rate and/or resolution increase.

Unrelated but just wanted to let Watty know im set up on techtir - pending approval!

Check your junk mail

Approval can take up to a day. Done now.

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#18 23-01-2011 11:15AM

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I wondered about it when it was first unveiled, but can anyone hazard a guess as to what, if anything, the graphic in the Saorview logo is meant to represent?

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#19 23-01-2011 11:21AM

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To me the red tick suggests approval
c.f. the UK Digital Tick logo, which is separate from Freeview (does it pre-date Freeview?)

http://digitallogo.digitaluk.co.uk/company_intro.php
The Digital Tick scheme bizarrely identifies services that don't need a Digital TV at all. Like Sky and Virgin Media

The Saorview Logo is more akin to "freeview HD" logo in terms of what it certifies.

The three concentric arcs suggest radio signals.

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#20 23-01-2011 12:16PM

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The three concentric arcs look like an ear to me.

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#21 23-01-2011 12:33PM

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Kensington wrote: »

Probably only temporary, a way of raising awareness of SaorView. You can tell a given receiver will receive RTÉ One OK from the logo presence, and you can also tell it will receive HD OK, as you will no longer be able to pass of RTÉ Two Temp as guaranteed RTÉ Two reception.

If this were the case, surely The Dog Should have been put on RTE2, to verify a given receiver can actually handle the HD being broadcast by this channel at the moment?

Edit: On recollection....I suppose this is why the caption now appears on the temp channel.

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#22 23-01-2011 12:42PM

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BowWow wrote: »

The three concentric arcs look like an ear to me.

Now that you mention it!

It is more like a "radio" logo!

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#23 23-01-2011 01:42PM

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Gone now, strange of them to put it on at that time.

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#24 23-01-2011 03:28PM

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Its there now again. I thought it was a logo for a show initially - there was a random filler on as they'd pulled the movie due to the Greens announcement - but it ain't.

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#25 23-01-2011 04:37PM

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I see it's placed outside the 4:3 safe area.

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#26 23-01-2011 05:02PM

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It doesn't appear to be transparent either - It'll do wonders for plasma screens.

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#27 23-01-2011 05:15PM

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The channel DOG's are bad enough but there is absolutely no need for this.

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#28 23-01-2011 05:48PM

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I think it looks more like a pig's ear.

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I'm still not sure it's RTE I'm watching...

I'm writing to RTENL immediately to see if they could ENHANCE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT FURTHER TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE WE KNOW WHAT CHANNEL IT IS BY muting the sound on RTE altogether and just leave the picture with say a half screen flashing banner with the words Radio Téilifís Éireann on it and a voice over from Gay byrne saying "This is RTE" "This is RTE" Testing testing..
One two...one two...

Oh and have all that in HD with Gay byrnes voice in dolby surround ?

Why have half measures like a 2nd dog?

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#30 23-01-2011 07:01PM

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There's no need for any on-screen ID's now given that the DVB EPG is pretty definite about what a given channel's name is.

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#31 23-01-2011 07:12PM

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I think it's a clever move. Probably be there randomly until switchover.

RTE can advertise that if you are watching RTE1 via aerial and cannot see the "red tick" on bottom left corner of your screen you need to upgrade to "SAORVIEW" or you will loose RTE1,2,tv3 and TG4 tv channels in 2012.

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#32 23-01-2011 07:29PM

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Or they could put a message on the analogue service advising that they will need to change over. There is no point in highlighting the change over to digital television on the DTT service.

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#33 23-01-2011 09:34PM

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maybe it's for shops?

I'll ask RTE tomorrow.

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#34 23-01-2011 09:48PM

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Minstrel27 wrote: »

Or they could put a message on the analogue service advising that they will need to change over. There is no point in highlighting the change over to digital television on the DTT service.

The only problem is that the analogue broadcasts are sometimes fed by satellite via Sky, and not from either the main distribution network or rebroadcast relay.

A better way would be to have an MHEG5 generated caption that would then time out after 10-30 seconds.

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#35 23-01-2011 09:53PM

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Or could they not just add this graphic to the respective channels DOGs beside the RTE ONE or RTE TWO and make it smaller? They Could then just leave the channel ident there all the time including in ad breaks.

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watty wrote: »

maybe it's for shops?

I'll ask RTE tomorrow.

Thats probably their thinking alright.
Trust this country to have to do something árseways.
With the current turmoil politically,it will be a while before theres a directive that shops must only sell mpeg4 compliant tv's.

It's a messy dog that clutters up the screen
RTE need to look at the BBC1hd dog
Thats the type of dog you want.

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#37 24-01-2011 10:01AM

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Or none at all!

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#38 24-01-2011 06:47PM

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It's annoying, I'm switching back to analogue

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#39 24-01-2011 07:23PM

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Its too big, it a design disaster, looks exactly like an ear. And its correct to say that it will burn Plasma and LCD screens, especially if it's there till 2012. I watch RTE1 95% of the time, it's extremely distracting, especially with the channel Digital On screen Graphic in the opposite corner. They should be integrated as suggested. Perhaps a mail campaign to RTENL is needed, or maybe this is their revenge for being forced into official existence last October. Its extremely unlikely that viewers who have done nothing to alter their TV signal reception in the last few years would think that they have digital reception when still watching analogue. Putting a DOG on analogue closer to the close down date would suffice. I thought it was some kind of Subtitle ID, and interestingly, there is a second audio channel lurking unused in the mux, it's labelled NAR, which I presume is short for "narrative", a running commentary of the image content to assist blind people to "watch" TV.

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#40 24-01-2011 07:36PM

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As a little footnote to my last post, when the 405 line service was being closed down (no ageist comments please) the 405 transmissions contained a small "405" logo in the corner, nothing on the 625 service, so the precedent is there. RTE equipment was all 625 by this stage, the conversion was done by having a small 405 camera pointed at a 625 monitor with a bit of transparent tape with the logo attached.

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#41 24-01-2011 08:32PM

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simatoel wrote: »

Its too big, it a design disaster, looks exactly like an ear. And its correct to say that it will burn Plasma and LCD screens, especially if it's there till 2012. I watch RTE1 95% of the time, it's extremely distracting, especially with the channel Digital On screen Graphic in the opposite corner. They should be integrated as suggested. Perhaps a mail campaign to RTENL is needed, or maybe this is their revenge for being forced into official existence last October. Its extremely unlikely that viewers who have done nothing to alter their TV signal reception in the last few years would think that they have digital reception when still watching analogue. Putting a DOG on analogue closer to the close down date would suffice. I thought it was some kind of Subtitle ID, and interestingly, there is a second audio channel lurking unused in the mux, it's labelled NAR, which I presume is short for "narrative", a running commentary of the image content to assist blind people to "watch" TV.

I thought it was an ear with a tick above it, and guessed it was something to do with subtitles for the hard of hearing so pressed the subtitle button and discovered that the subtitles on live events were perfectly in time, not like the old analogue teletext which have a delay.

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#42 25-01-2011 10:33AM

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Extremly annoying .Have already had two customers phone me up complaining. As if I can do anything about it........
Actually I can- I've started a petition, please sign it and/or email RTENL directly.

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/lose-the-saorview-on-screen-logo-from-rt-1/11/f4142cd1ac14723b5d95503f687f6d1b

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#43 25-01-2011 10:46AM

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Rippy wrote: »

Extremly annoying .Have already had two customers phone me up complaining. As if I can do anything about it........
Actually I can- I've started a petition, please sign it and/or email RTENL directly.

http://www.petitiononline.ie/petition/lose-the-saorview-on-screen-logo-from-rt-1/11/f4142cd1ac14723b5d95503f687f6d1b

Good idea - but spell check the text in your petition before sending it to RTE.

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JDxtra wrote: »

Good idea - but spell check the text in your petition before sending it to RTE.

Thanks , but I don't think one extra 's' detracts too much from the content.

Seems to be no facility to edit it. (as is right and proper with petitions).

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Rippy wrote: »

.Have already had two customers phone me up complaining. As if I can do anything about it........

These viewers might have thought it something that could be disabled in a setup menu on the receiver!

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#46 25-01-2011 02:15PM

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The 405 logo was electronically generated. Prior to that RTE used the letter x, also electronically generated.

405 isn't completely dead, I can still pick up RTE on channel 7 with the help of an aurora converter, DVBViewer and my wireless network.

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#47 25-01-2011 02:51PM

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Antenna wrote: »

These viewers might have thought it something that could be disabled in a setup menu on the receiver!

Thats exactly what one thought. The other confused old dear seemed under the impression I was broadcasting the channels to her combi box!

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#48 27-01-2011 04:44PM

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Saorview logo now gone from RTE 1

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#49 27-01-2011 07:03PM

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I was pretty sure I saw it on the RTE2 Temp channel earlier today, though I don't see it on any channel now.

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#50 27-01-2011 07:46PM

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I was watching RTE 1 at the time it changed, the picture went blank but there was sound and then picture came back on without logo. At that time rte 2 temp still had logo etc.

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#51 28-01-2011 07:25PM

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Would there be an issue if the logo looks like another company's logo?

Saw a similar logo a couple of days ago. Only difference is that the "tick" was missing and possibly a different colour as well ... Saw the other company's logo on the side of a van - can't remember what it was for ..

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