Mother died of hypothermia after council turned heat off

JONJO THE MISER · 29-01-2011 02:39AM #1

:mad:http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0129/1224288526625.html
I have never before heard of the likes of this, basically someone needs to be done for manslaughter.

Cheap Thrills! · 29-01-2011 02:40AM

rip

Goldenegg · 29-01-2011 02:40AM

This country is getting worse and worse everyday!!!

zero19 · 29-01-2011 02:58AM

Rip poor woman

fonecrusher1 · 29-01-2011 03:05AM

Horrible.

of course such a thread in AH will give someone wanting to look like a cold-hearted nerd cynic an opportunity to get thanks...

Pun on words cold-hearted to be expected unfortunately

Metallergy · 29-01-2011 03:08AM

bless up

feel like i'm about to meself tbh.. fúck this cut-back shít. you do know that's what they're recommending?!! sooner wrap us up in cotton wool. time for 15 minutes of flame

445279.ie · 29-01-2011 03:09AM

Horrific stuff

But Bertie's only regret is not leaving a National Stadium behind to mark his legacy :mad:

ibarelycare · 29-01-2011 03:39AM

Jesus. Not something you'd expect to read in this day and age, and such a young woman

Shocking. RIP.

tasha200 · 29-01-2011 03:54AM

ok, no I am sorry, and I am not looking for thanks.....
This mother preserved her two children, who did not die of hyperthermia.. there is something unusual about this story or something that is not being told.. on the same night this mother died there were many many people sleeping on the streets or in and about homeless hostels in ballymun... on the same night there were people in galway, limerick, etc etc.. who have no shelter/heating/home etc....... there is something in this story not being told... yes, the weather was unprecedented, but, in my opinion, for a 30 year old adult human being to die of hypothermia, only due to her heating being cut off, does not ring true.......... one, we all have self preservation in normal state of mind, therefore we would use any means possible to cover ourselves and retain heat... two, her children were with the mother, why wasnt said woman with her mother, three, even with electricity, I had no electricity for over 20 hours over the christmas period, not because i didnt pay the bill, but because of a cut in the supply..... neither me, my partner, or my three children died of hypothermia, noe did the 20 or so estimated homeless people on the streets........ I am in no way trivialising this womans death, but ofcourse there is more to this than a healthy woman, with two children, dying overnight, in shelter, from hypothermia, before people demand trial for manslaughter x

fonecrusher1 · 29-01-2011 04:17AM

tasha200 wrote: »

ok, no I am sorry, and I am not looking for thanks.....
This mother preserved her two children, who did not die of hyperthermia.. there is something unusual about this story or something that is not being told.. on the same night this mother died there were many many people sleeping on the streets or in and about homeless hostels in ballymun... on the same night there were people in galway, limerick, etc etc.. who have no shelter/heating/home etc....... there is something in this story not being told... yes, the weather was unprecedented, but, in my opinion, for a 30 year old adult human being to die of hypothermia, only due to her heating being cut off, does not ring true.......... one, we all have self preservation in normal state of mind, therefore we would use any means possible to cover ourselves and retain heat... two, her children were with the mother, why wasnt said woman with her mother, three, even with electricity, I had no electricity for over 20 hours over the christmas period, not because i didnt pay the bill, but because of a cut in the supply..... neither me, my partner, or my three children died of hypothermia, noe did the 20 or so estimated homeless people on the streets........ I am in no way trivialising this womans death, but ofcourse there is more to this than a healthy woman, with two children, dying overnight, in shelter, from hypothermia, before people demand trial for manslaughter x

I agree with this post. It is highly unusual for a seemingly normal healthy 30 year old woman to die of hypothermia. Not unless she was a very slim built petite woman. Some sort of vital information is being witheld.

Its like these reports of people dying from the flu only to find out later the person already had a serious illness.

We're not getting all the info.

Cheap Thrills! · 29-01-2011 04:25AM

Whatever the circumstances:

The pathologist found she had suffered hypothermia.

..this happened last January when everyone was caught by suprise by the 3 week long freeze. She sent the kids to her Mothers, maybe there wasn't enough room for her and she wanted to be there to let the people in to deal with re-connecting the heat.

The Doctor for the family said:

this was a case where “a young woman with no other system disorder died of hypothermia”

The inquest seems to be ongoing so more may be revealed, article doesn't mention any verdict.

msg11 · 29-01-2011 04:27AM

Look in this day and age in this country , for anyone homeless or not to die from such a stone age problem is madness. It shouldn't happen ever.

Hidden or not. What has happen here is this, council decided to turn of heating to her flat to save a few euros . Be it a junkie/perfectly fit person this is not on.

The few few euros saved has cost a persons life.

Then add in the condition of the flat ? Was it damp ? Cannot of been that liveable if there was nobody living in the othe flats.

Again, someone trying to save money , and this has backfired on the council in the worst case in that it cost a person there life.

Mahatma coat · 29-01-2011 04:36AM

edit

Ah it wasnt just Her Flat that was turned off, it seems she was one of only a few occupants in the Flat complex, and the Council turned off the Building.

Still tho

Rather odd that she died, something strange afoot

jimmycrackcorm · 29-01-2011 04:43AM

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Moral of the Story
Pay your Heating Bill, simple

I don't think it is a simple as that as the flat seems to be part of a communal eating system managed by the council.

However, for a 30 year old to die in a flat of hypothermia says more about that person than anything else.

msg11 · 29-01-2011 04:50AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I don't think it is a simple as that as the flat seems to be part of a communal eating system managed by the council.

However, for a 30 year old to die in a flat of hypothermia says more about that person than anything else.

Like what ? Hypothermia can effect anyone. If she was to sweat in her sleep it would cause dampness , causing her body to lose heat trying to heat up the dampness or a bad draught in the room. It can happen to anyone, just cause it hasn't happened to you yet dosen't mean it won't happen . It's a big but seriously avoidable killer, which your body usually tells you about before going into serious shock , in that state your just going to shut down. And on your own if that happens , well your ****ed to be honest.

jimmycrackcorm · 29-01-2011 05:18AM

msg11 wrote: »

Like what ? Hypothermia can effect anyone.

Nah - once you turn either the ages of 30 or 90 then hypothermia is out to get you...

Otherwise it's the drink and the fags.....

We need to start a tv advertising campaign to protect this country's 30 year olds.

msg11 · 29-01-2011 05:37AM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Nah - once you turn either the ages of 30 or 90 then hypothermia is out to get you...

Otherwise it's the drink and the fags.....

We need to start a tv advertising campaign to protect this country's 30 year olds.

It's the H1N1 all over again.. We just have to give it a pretty shocking title . Like 30H3 , expect maybe rip them off and call it 70H2 ?

Back on topic folks , nothing to see here. . . Move along now. .

Naikon · 29-01-2011 05:40AM

Sounds fishy. It's not the antartic we're living. While I accept it's possible someone can die from hypothermia, something else must have been a contributing factor here.

sunflower27 · 29-01-2011 08:30AM

Naikon wrote: »

Sounds fishy. It's not the antartic we're living. While I accept it's possible someone can die from hypothermia, something else must have been a contributing factor here.

I have to say I agree. Why did she not stay with her mum as well? Why switch off the phone on that particular night. I wonder if the poor woman was seriously depressed.

I live in a part of the country that was one of the coldest during the cold spell. I have those really expensive storage heaters and didn't turn them on because, frankly, I am not working at the moment and can't afford them.

I just wore extra clothes and used extra blankets.

Now, in saying that my place is new and double glazed so not sure what state her flat was in.

Yes, it was cold/freezing but I had no problem sleeping without heating once i was rugged up.

Naikon · 29-01-2011 08:32AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

I have to say I agree. Why did she not stay with her mum as well? Why switch off the phone on that particular night. I wonder if the poor woman was seriously depressed.

I live in a part of the country that was one of the coldest during the cold spell. I have those really expensive storage heaters and didn't turn them on because, frankly, I am not working at the moment and can't afford them.

I just wore extra clothes and used extra blankets.

Now, in saying that my place is new and double glazed so not sure what state her flat was in.

Yes, it was cold/freezing but I had no problem sleeping without heating once i was rugged up.

It's a shame, but yeah, Depression could be the real reason.

sunflower27 · 29-01-2011 08:42AM

She was indoors - in her home - with access presumably to her own bedding plus that of her little kids.

It just doesn't really add up.

Terribly sad story. Those little kids

Naikon · 29-01-2011 08:45AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

She was indoors - in her home - with access presumably to her own bedding plus that of her little kids.

It just doesn't really add up.

Terribly sad story. Those little kids

I feel bad for the kids too. There are few things as heart wrenching as watching young kids growing up without their parent(s). Tis pretty sad.

mikemac · 29-01-2011 10:08AM

She was young at 30 and presumably fit.
Very sad

Normally it's the very elderly who die in these situations.

Dublin city coroner Dr Brian Farrell adjourned the inquest until February 24th to get further statements about the coldness of Ms Peavoy’s flat.

I guess more info will be released at a later date

stovelid · 29-01-2011 10:21AM

Terrible way to die.

I think there may gave been other factors involved. Why would she not stay in her mother's? Maybe there was drugs or a medical condition involved.

Surprised to see RIPs to be honest here given that the story involves the kind of person that's ripped to shreds on an almost daily basis here.

Gulliver · 29-01-2011 10:56AM

Very sad story. Those poor kids. But, and you can flame me all you want.... why not buy a fan heater, stick to one room and put on extra clothes? There was no mention of the electricity being turned off. A fan heater would only cost the same as two packets of cigarettes.

I know people who have lived in a 40 year old mobile home with no insulation for the past three years while building their house. No central heating, the water was off for 3.5 weeks over the cold snap, they had temps of -7 in their bathroom and bedroom. They used a fan heater in their living area, hot water bottles and an electric blanket in the bedroom and wore extra clothes and they survived.

Whilst I have sympathy for the woman and her family, there is something off here. She just gave up. I see this a lot with people these days - they would rather sit and complain about the situation and wait for someone else to fix it than use their own initiative to achieve a temporary solution in the meantime.

Also, if there was no room, why not just sleep on the floor in the mother's place? Even in the hall?

29-01-2011 11:03AM

Why was her heating turned off? If it's a case that she didn't pay, then it's possible the electricity was turned off too, however, as someone pointed out, there was no mention of this. I'm unsure as to how Council houses work, but I presume people pay for heating and electricity? It's a horrible story, but there also has to be some details we're not getting yet; why was the heating cut off? How long was the heating off for before she died?

Just saw it was turned off because:

told the heating would not be turned on as a number of flats around her were empty and because regeneration was ongoing.

That seems cruel and unusual, but it then also raises the question as to why she just didn't get an electric heater?

mikemac · 29-01-2011 11:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why was her heating turned off?

It's all in the article, nobody said she wasn't paying bills

The inquest heard how Dublin City Council had turned off the heating in Ms Peavoy’s flat. The single mother had contacted the council about it but was told the heating would not be turned on as a number of flats around her were empty and because regeneration was ongoing.

Minister for Housing Noel Ahern who represents the area had gone to the council for the family which was good to see but it seems nothing got sorted

Dyr · 29-01-2011 11:13AM

The Flats in Ballymun only have heating control for entire blocks and no way for a tenant to regulate heat other than to open a window. The Council turn the heating off/on at specific points in the year. If there's no heating in the flats during a cold spell then they become an ice block. DCC/BRL are trying to empty out all the remaining tenants in the flats around shangan/coultry and this was probably a part of the campaign to force people out.

Last time that I checked there were TD's and councillors who sit on the board of directors in Ballymun Regeneration Limited. I wonder if we'll hear a peep out of them about this?:mad:

Owen · 29-01-2011 11:21AM

IIRC, in France, you can't evict a tenant who doesn't pay rent in winter, and the utility companies can't shut off supply either.

wyndham · 29-01-2011 11:58AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

:mad ....someone needs to be done for manslaughter.

We could charge them with murder and let them plead down to Man 1. 8-10 minimum security.

Or she could have made herself a cup of tea or gone to somewhere warm, like a 24 hr MacDonalds or the Airport or The €19 per night Ballymun Airport Hotel or her mothers house or a hostel for €10.

Jumpy · 29-01-2011 12:05PM

wyndham wrote: »

We could charge them with murder and let them plead down to Man 1. 8-10 minimum security.

Or she could have made herself a cup of tea or gone to somewhere warm, like a 24 hr MacDonalds or the Airport or The €19 per night Ballymun Airport Hotel or her mothers house or a hostel for €10.

Look up the side effects of hypothermia.

You feel WARM. Not cold. But dont let ignorance get in the way of a sarcastic comment. :rolleyes:

Mother died of hypothermia after council turned heat off

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