The Enda Kenny Thread

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 01:11PM #1

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. I havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before
2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find
3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .
4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

syklops · 08-02-2011 01:49PM

I was beginning to think I was the only one left on the face of the planet who likes him. I don't understand this "no charisma" argument at all. I don't get it.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 02:01PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. Im havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before
2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find
3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .
4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

Those 4 points could sum up the vast majority of politicians.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 02:10PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Those 4 points could sum up the vast majority of politicians.

I disagree. So many of them are corrupt. Im talking about our next Taoiseach though and not just politicians. I believe Enda Kenny can do this country proud. Unlike the vast majoirty of our previous leaders. And Michéal Martin has already shown he is not up to the job by already taking big pay offs. Typical FF. Hasnt changed at all.

bop1977 · 08-02-2011 02:16PM

I was going to vote for FG but when Enda doesnt even have the balls to answer a few questions from Vincent Brown, how the hell is he going to even try to negotiate with the EU/IMF people.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 02:21PM

Devil08 wrote: »

I disagree. So many of them are corrupt. Im talking about our next Taoiseach though and not just politicians. I believe Enda Kenny can do this country proud. Unlike the vast majoirty of our previous leaders. And Michéal Martin has already shown he is not up to the job by already taking big pay offs. Typical FF. Hasnt changed at all.

You disagree based on what? Unless you have evidence of corruption(and I do mean evidence, I'm not being pedantic and insisting on legal proceedings being brought against them), I'm going to hazard you're just generalising everyone but dear Enda.
For all we know, Enda could be as corrupt as all the other corrupt politicians we don't know are corrupt yet(except you!

)

I'm pointing out that the 4 reasons you gave for supporting Enda Kenny were so generic as to applicable to most politicians.

Also: You do realise Enda Kenny only 'resigned' as a teacher a couple of years ago? Long after he had passed the lucrative 20 year threshold for pension entitlements?
How is he better than the rest in that respect?
*edit* According to the indo

Mr Martin said the severance payments being availed of by ministers are no different to the arrangements Labour leader Eamon Gilmore and Mr Kenny received "for a long, long time".

"In particular, Enda would have drawn a ministerial pension while serving as a TD for 13 years," he said.

Is this true?

apoeiguq3094y · 08-02-2011 02:25PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country.

......

1. He will never turn up for an interview

Where o where o where is Enda?

K_user · 08-02-2011 02:49PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. Im havnt heard any good reasons so far.

Good reasons are relative. They are the same reasons that one person will like rock music, while the next likes dance. If you like something then there is no explaining to you as to why not to like it...

Devil08 wrote: »

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

Unfortunately the man has to charisma or charm. But neither did Cowen.

The difference being that Brian always looks solid and gruff, while Enda looks a little like a wet fish. Not damning in itself, but we are talking about the leader of a country.

A leader needs to lead. That was Cowens major downfall, he never communicated correctly with the public. Had he taken a more "honest" approach to the countries affairs then he might have had less stick.

Are the Irish people going to get more communication from Kenny?

Aren't we a bit sick of waiting for the tabloids to break a story in the worst possible way and then watching our government trying to side step it?

Devil08 wrote: »

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before

Probably true.

Devil08 wrote: »

2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find

Dodgy ground there. People tend to only investigate those of interest. Who knows what they might find out about Kenny if he becomes Taoiseach.

Devil08 wrote: »

3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .

As have all politicians. No one becomes a party leader without having worked for it over many years.

Devil08 wrote: »

4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

Its interesting that you bring that up, part of the debate in the last election was about these very services and Bertie showed the increased numbers in all those sectors, thanks to plans implemented by FF. And I remember clearly that Enda didn't have an answer for him.

Any government will try to increase these services, its what the people want. The only reason they fall short is because of basic cash.

If the next government are lucky enough to sit over a growing economy, then they will put more money into public services. Its logical.

Devil08 wrote: »

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

Thats personal opinion.

The problem I have with Kenny is that all I ever hear him talk about is the problems that the others have caused. To me that isn't a good enough reason to elect someone.

The bailout thing is the perfect example. He was going on and on about how he was going to get a better deal, only for Europe to slap him down.

I just don't trust the guy...

dilallio · 08-02-2011 02:49PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. Im havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before
2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find
3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .
4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

FYP

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 02:53PM

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

Where o where o where is Enda?

Very Good!! haha! He doesnt need to do the debate. People dont realise this. The others need to do the debate in order to gain a few percentage. FG are already in the lead and its only theirs to lose. Plus its been pointed out that he is not the best at debating. This doesnt mean he wont be a good taoiseach. Its all nonsense the amount of focus being put on this debate.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 02:56PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Very Good!! haha! He doesnt need to do the debate. People dont realise this. The others need to do the debate in order to gain a few percentage. FG are already in the lead and its only theirs to lose. Plus its been pointed out that he is not the best at debating. Does doesnt mean he wont be a good taoiseach. Its all nonsense the amount of focus being put on this debate.

Were you watching TV3 this morning where a very dishevelled Vincent Browne said the exact same things?

Not that I disagree, I just think he shouldn't have bull****ted(twice) about the reasons for not doing it.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:05PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Were you watching TV3 this morning where a very dishevelled Vincent Browne said the exact same things?
Not that I disagree, I just think he shouldn't have bull****ted(twice) about the reasons for not doing it.

I didnt see it no! You cant blame him for making excuses can you? He is hardly going to come out and say hes not good at debating and he didnt want to be found out. It wouldnt look good. It would make people form opinions of him and he would lose votes. unnecessarily too. Do people really care if hes good at debating or not? Its just not the be all and end all for me. Bertie was great at debating.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:08PM

Devil08 wrote: »

I didnt see it no! You cant blame him for making excuses can you? He is hardly going to come out and say hes not good at debating and he didnt want to be found out. It wouldnt look good. It would make people form opinions of him and he would lose votes. unnecessarily too. Do people really care if hes good at debating or not? Its just not the be all and end all for me. Bertie was great at debating.

Plenty of other leaders have come out and said "I'm not debating".

He could have simply said "I don't believe a leaders debate is constructive, I don't believe tv debating skills is relevant to my candidacy as Taoiseach and I won't be participating".
Much better than lying.

Resi12 · 08-02-2011 03:15PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. Im havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before
2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find
3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .
4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

How do you actually know he won't do that though? I mean we are still having to scrimp and save regarding the budget. Just because FG are in the Dáil does not mean all the nurses, teachers and gardai will get their jobs back or that more will get cut.

They are ridiculous reasons to vote for him, no offence but you should be looking and comparing policies and what they are proposing rather than on how you feel he will measure up to the last Taoiseach because that's never a good idea.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:16PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Plenty of other leaders have come out and said "I'm not debating".

He could have simply said "I don't believe a leaders debate is constructive, I don't believe tv debating skills is relevant to my candidacy as Taoiseach and I won't be participating".
Much better than lying.

Youre right. Im sure he knows that. Im sure he would have prepared a better answer too if he knew how much of a stir it would cause! But come on, its not like he was lying about where the suitcase full of money under his bed came from!

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:19PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Youre right. Im sure he knows that. Im sure he would have prepared a better answer too if he knew how much of a stir it would cause! But come on, its not like he was lying about where the suitcase full of money under his bed came from!

Eh? He shouldn't have needed to 'prepare' an answer, he should know what his strengths and weaknesses are.

And the fact that he wasn't lying about corruption money doesn't automagically make it ok that he lied to get out of a tight spot. Willie O'Dea did that, and look where it ended up for him

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:22PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Eh? He shouldn't have needed to 'prepare' an answer, he should know what his strengths and weaknesses are.

And the fact that he wasn't lying about corruption money doesn't automagically make it ok that he lied to get out of a tight spot. Willie O'Dea did that, and look where it ended up for him

But no one takes him seriously with that moustache anyway do they!?

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:27PM

He's performed better than Enda in every single election he's run for and tbh, I don't think he could much worse opinion rating than Enda either.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:30PM

Tragedy wrote: »

He's performed better than Enda in every single election he's run for and tbh, I don't think he could much worse opinion rating than Enda either.

So who will you be backing then?

Mr. Presentable · 08-02-2011 03:32PM

Top 10 TD expenses, 2005–2008

Ned O'Keeffe (FF) €304,137.80

Pat Breen (FG) €301,206.72

Michael Lowry (Ind) €299,478.55

Bernard Allen (FG) €298,412.66

Peter Kelly (FF) €291,464.60

Jackie Healy-rae (Ind) €290,662.99

Dinny McGinley (FG) €289,616.80

John Cregan (FF) €288,002.33

Enda Kenny (FG) €285,277.30

Phil Hogan (FG) €280,794.83

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:34PM

Anything more recent?

Mr. Presentable · 08-02-2011 03:35PM

In September 2002, Kenny was accused of making racist remarks, when he used the word 'ni**er' during a racist joke in relation to Patrice Lumumba, the assassinated first Prime Minister of Congo. Kenny was subsequently condemned by race campaigners

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/sep/15/world.race

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:36PM

Devil08 wrote: »

So who will you be backing then?

Michael Martin as leader of FG with Labours policies. It's what the opinion polls agree on as being what the Irish population wants.

Devil08 wrote: »

Anything more recent?

Jaysus, now you're just seeming desperate dude.

Mr. Presentable · 08-02-2011 03:38PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Anything more recent?

2008 is recent!

In 2008, the last year for which a full record is available, Bertie Ahern claimed €56,979 in expenses.

Enda Kenny, who faced criticism over his reluctance to comment on recent expenses controversies, made considerable claims, according to the figures.
Since 2005, he has claimed expenses totalling €285,277, claiming more than €70,000 annually for the past three years

http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/oct/25/life-at-your-expense/

Resi12 · 08-02-2011 03:39PM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Top 10 TD expenses, 2005–2008

Ned O'Keeffe (FF) €304,137.80

Pat Breen (FG) €301,206.72

Michael Lowry (Ind) €299,478.55

Bernard Allen (FG) €298,412.66

Peter Kelly (FF) €291,464.60

Jackie Healy-rae (Ind) €290,662.99

Dinny McGinley (FG) €289,616.80

John Cregan (FF) €288,002.33

Enda Kenny (FG) €285,277.30

Phil Hogan (FG) €280,794.83

Thats like 6-3 years old..? Also what's 20,000 when your already earning 285,000? I mean it's not that vastly different to the top earner of then.

Mr. Presentable · 08-02-2011 03:39PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Anything more recent?

Look, my point is he is not the squeaky clean guardian angel you seem to think.

r3nu4l · 08-02-2011 03:41PM

I watched Enda on the Late Late Show last year and was bitterly disappointed by him. As has been said, there needs to be a straight-talking leader who will talk honestly to the people of the country. What I saw on the Late Late Show was 'Mr. Soundbite' who delivered nothing but typical cheesy slogans to the LLS audience and the viewing public.

It was a dreadful performance. Now I see that he won't attend a debate involving Vincent Browne. Madness. Enda won't get to choose who he talks to regarding the big issues of the Irish economy if he becomes Taoiseach.

We also don't see any transparency regarding donations to FG which makes the party look decidedly dodgy and shows that they haven't learned that the public are sick of the backroom deals that result in a select few businessmen earning millions and the rest of us paying for it.

So my reason why Enda should not be Taoiseach would be because the man has yet to show that he's straight-talking rather than full of the same old hot-air we get from everyone else. That said, I'd like to see what FG could do in power if they weren't in a coalition or reliant on a few Independents.

passive · 08-02-2011 03:41PM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Top 10 TD expenses, 2005–2008

Ned O'Keeffe (FF) €304,137.80

Pat Breen (FG) €301,206.72

Michael Lowry (Ind) €299,478.55

Bernard Allen (FG) €298,412.66

Peter Kelly (FF) €291,464.60

Jackie Healy-rae (Ind) €290,662.99

Dinny McGinley (FG) €289,616.80

John Cregan (FF) €288,002.33

Enda Kenny (FG) €285,277.30

Phil Hogan (FG) €280,794.83

Jaysus! The leader of the main opposition party of the dail has one of the highest expenses of all the TDs? Shocking Joe, simply shocking.

And as to your other link: He was telling an anecdote, in which the person he was quoting, in a different context, used a word that is bad. I'm sure you can dig up a thread from boards when that happened you'll find 200 posts of "PC gone mad" and "that's ridiculous, **** off and report some actual news."

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:41PM

I find it impossible to believe how anyone can claim on average 100k a year on expenses. Its crazy. What are they spending it on!? I was just asking for a more recent table as Im sure there are lots of new names on it for the last 3 years.

Resi12 · 08-02-2011 03:42PM

Ohhh I thought you were trying to show him in a good light, I was a bit baffled there. Sorry.

Mr. Presentable · 08-02-2011 03:43PM

Resi12 wrote: »

Thats like 6-3 years old..? Also what's 20,000 when your already earning 285,000? I mean it's not that vastly different to the top earner of then.

If anything that's worse. What's €20k when you take €676,745.95 in salary and expenses between 2005 and 2008

Resi12 · 08-02-2011 03:44PM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

If anything that's worse. What's €20k when you take €676,745.95 in salary and expenses between 2005 and 2008

Sorry, sorry. I completely agree I just totally thought the opposite of what you were trying to show.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:45PM

passive wrote: »

Jaysus! The leader of the main opposition party of the dail has one of the highest expenses of all the TDs? Shocking Joe, simply shocking.

And as to your other link: He was telling an anecdote, in which the person he was quoting, in a different context, used a word that is bad. I'm sure you can dig up a thread from boards when that happened you'll find 200 posts of "PC gone mad" and "that's ridiculous, **** off and report some actual news."

Is there anything you won't apologise for for Enda Kenny?

He claimed more than twice the average industrial wage every year in expenses? ARRA SURE IT'S GRAND HE NEEDED THE MONEY

He told a racist joke to journalists? ARRA SURE HE WAS ONLY TRYING TO BE ENTERTAINING

He murdered some prostitutes and is a cocaine user? ARRA SURE WE ALL NEED TO LET OFF STEAM

Nice.

passive · 08-02-2011 03:49PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Is there anything you won't apologise for for Enda Kenny?

He claimed more than twice the average industrial wage every year in expenses? ARRA SURE IT'S GRAND HE NEEDED THE MONEY

He told a racist joke to journalists? ARRA SURE HE WAS ONLY TRYING TO BE ENTERTAINING

He murdered some prostitutes and is a cocaine user? ARRA SURE WE ALL NEED TO LET OFF STEAM

Nice.

If you show me a link to him abusing his expenses, or any evidence (or hell, even a weight accusation) that he was spending money frivolously, I'd gladly condemn him for it. It seems very likely that expenses need to be cut down, but since he hasn't been in charge of setting those figures for the last few years, I'm not willing to take a high expense figure as being a reason he shouldn't be in government.

I don't know what kind of expenses are involved in running a party, or what kind of restrictions and guidelines there are on how the money is spent and accounted for. Yes, it's a very big number, in a list of very big numbers. Those numbers should certainly be reduced.

And I'm not gonna bother with the "racist joke" bollocks. There's a lot of creative reading needed to see that backpage made up non-story as some kind of evidence of his Stormfront membership.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:49PM

Tragedy wrote: »

He murdered some prostitutes and is a cocaine user? ARRA SURE WE ALL NEED TO LET OFF STEAM

Nice.

When was this reported?

marlamay · 08-02-2011 03:50PM

He has lost my vote for not having the cop-on to appear with Vincent Brown. Aligninh himself to FFail run RTE and TG4 shows that "a rose by and other name is still a rose". Thats an eloquent way of saying the man is FFail thru and thru. Im disgusted, i know myself and others would have had the respect to vote for him if he hadnt come up with such a pathetic excuse to avoid Irelans only NON CRONEY journalist.

Sad day for irish politics. A 3 way debate on 3 with 2.
Shame on Enda

femur61 · 08-02-2011 03:50PM

In fact because of his refusal to agree to the debate he has gone up in my expectation. Why should he be bullied by MM into a debate? It is just a decoy from the issue of facing the public in person. I live in a housing estate and have only had the greens convessing. Must initially have thought great a woman, then I sent him with a flea in his ear.

marlamay · 08-02-2011 03:51PM

He has lost my vote for not having the cop-on to appear with Vincent Brown. Aligninh himself to FFail run RTE and TG4 shows that "a rose by and other name is still a rose". Thats an eloquent way of saying the man is FFail thru and thru. Im disgusted, i know myself and others would have had the respect to vote for him if he hadnt come up with such a pathetic excuse to avoid Irelans only NON CRONEY journalist.

Sad day for irish politics. A 3 way debate on 3 with 2.
Shame on Enda

Bottle_of_Smoke · 08-02-2011 03:54PM

I'm concerned FG's intention to end compulsory Irish at leaving cert is going to go against them just as much as Kenny.

I'm in favour of it myself but it is scary how many people are so irrational about it. Despite 90% of them not being able to speak Irish themselves they are die hard about it being compulsory all the way. (even though that policy has done the language no favours the last 100 years)

c_man · 08-02-2011 03:57PM

Tragedy wrote: »

Plenty of other leaders have come out and said "I'm not debating".

He could have simply said "I don't believe a leaders debate is constructive, I don't believe tv debating skills is relevant to my candidacy as Taoiseach and I won't be participating".
Much better than lying.

Well he would be lying if he came out with that, seeing as how he'll in be three upcoming debates (including a 3 way on TG4) in the coming weeks according to RTE.

But then I'm sure this won't please ye either.

Devil08 · 08-02-2011 03:58PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'm concerned FG's intention to end compulsory Irish at leaving cert is going to go against them just as much as Kenny.

I'm in favour of it myself but it is scary how many people are so irrational about it. Despite 90% of them not being able to speak Irish themselves they are die hard about it being compulsory all the way. (even though that policy has done the language no favours the last 100 years)

That is a concern yes. Im a firm believer in the Irish language and believe it should be encouraged. Im a fluent Irish speaker myself. However I feel their arm can be twisted on this matter further down the line if they are elected. I just think there are far more serious matters to be dealt with at the moment than this.

Tragedy · 08-02-2011 03:58PM

passive wrote: »

If you show me a link to him abusing his expenses, or any evidence (or hell, even a weight accusation) that he was spending money frivolously, I'd gladly condemn him for it.

I'm sorry, I need to find evidence to show that claiming on average €70,000 every year for four years is ridiculous and over the top?
Yes, quite clearly an apologist.

I'm sure a £3,000 limo in London as an expense was desperately needed.

but since he hasn't been in charge of setting those figures for the last few years

You do realise he's the one who claims the expenses right?

jammyhog · 08-02-2011 03:59PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. I havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before
2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find
3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .
4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

the man has'nt a clue about economics or anything else for that matter, his own party dont trust him....he will be known as the Hermit Taoiseach, maybe the FG lackies could get Morgan Freeman to do voice overs for him, '' it'll save millons ''

No6 · 08-02-2011 03:59PM

Why is there so much rubbish about this great debate, its all media driven lefty nonsense who cares, why dont they just come out and say why they really don't like Enda its because he's from the west!! At least he woulnt forget about those of us who live outside the big smoke and the commuter belt!!!

analucija · 08-02-2011 04:15PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'm concerned FG's intention to end compulsory Irish at leaving cert is going to go against them just as much as Kenny.

I'm in favour of it myself but it is scary how many people are so irrational about it. Despite 90% of them not being able to speak Irish themselves they are die hard about it being compulsory all the way. (even though that policy has done the language no favours the last 100 years)

I'm not Irish and can't vote either but I think it is important that nation preserves it's culture and language is part of it. There is something wrong with the way Irish is being taught and maybe not used enough in everyday life but that is not the reason to stop trying to preserve your heritage and cultural identity. Otherwise Irish will be in danger of becoming too similar to English.

Anyway I don't like Enda, but I don't think dislike of somebody is good enough reason to ignore policies and programs. It is possible that FG (and Labour) ratings after some time in government will fall. When FG TD's will be scared enough for their own ar**s (as FF TD's were) they could vote Enda out and then party would be more attractive.

galway2007 · 08-02-2011 04:22PM

apoeiguq3094y wrote: »

Where o where o where is Enda?

hello hello are you out there Enda????

galway2007 · 08-02-2011 04:24PM

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I'm concerned FG's intention to end compulsory Irish at leaving cert is going to go against them just as much as Kenny.

I'm in favour of it myself but it is scary how many people are so irrational about it. Despite 90% of them not being able to speak Irish themselves they are die hard about it being compulsory all the way. (even though that policy has done the language no favours the last 100 years)

Sure what did you expect
Have you forgot that FG sold out to the brits????

K_user · 08-02-2011 04:25PM

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Top 10 TD expenses, 2005–2008

Ned O'Keeffe (FF) €304,137.80

Pat Breen (FG) €301,206.72

Michael Lowry (Ind) €299,478.55

Bernard Allen (FG) €298,412.66

Peter Kelly (FF) €291,464.60

Jackie Healy-rae (Ind) €290,662.99

Dinny McGinley (FG) €289,616.80

John Cregan (FF) €288,002.33

Enda Kenny (FG) €285,277.30

Phil Hogan (FG) €280,794.83

Oh...that does kinda kill the OP's post doesn't it?

Had that been Bertie or Cowen they would have been hung out to dry on this board!

Looks like Enda likes to have a few spare bob in his pocket while giving off about the opposition

Seve OB · 08-02-2011 04:29PM

Devil08 wrote: »

Im interested in hearing from people as to why this man should not become the next Taoiseach of this country. I havnt heard any good reasons so far.

The reasons ive heard so far are outlandish if anything. Some of them include he has no charisma, he has no charm, he is not a good debater, and he is not in touch with modern social media!!! Are these the traits of our next Taoiseach that are really worrying people?.

eh, so who wants a leader who can't sepak up for himself, let alone our country!

Devil08 wrote: »

I will be supporting him for some very basic reasons.

1. He will never turn up for an interview still p!ssed out of his mind from the night before

are you sure he will bother his arse to even turn up at all. I mean the guy has been in hibernation for the last year, and now he wont even have a debate with the other parties. reason 1 why i wont vote for him is he is chicken... oops, i think someone may have beaten me to that point!!

Devil08 wrote: »

2. He will not rob this country blind through claiming expenses, taking back handers, and any other ways he can find

lets face facts here, all politicians are stereotyped as corrupt, and there is damn good reason for this. they are the same all over the world. look at the expenses scandle in the uk... at least they had the decency to send someone to jail, as for us, as sure we'll just kick him out for a bit and then pay him a few quid in compensation. Callally you are noithin short of the bigest w*&£3r this country has ever seen and you should be ashamed of yourself, as should the f&^%£$s who paid him off

i want to know what kenny or any of the others are going to do about this?

Devil08 wrote: »

3. He is passionate and has worked very very hard to get this chance .

ah so thats what he has been doing while nobody knew where he was

Devil08 wrote: »

4. Fianna Fail have taken nurses off the wards, Gardai off the streets, and Teachers out of schools. Simple requirements needed in any country. They have killed this country's public front line services and the public have suffered. Enda Kenny is the only prospective Taoiseach looking to increase these front line services.

The country will continue to suffer under anybody else.

fair nuf, so where is he going to get the cash to fund this
i bet he wont put proper reasonable salary scale in for the government, might reduce it a bit, but there is none of them who will shoot themselves in the foot and overhaul it properly.

dean21 · 08-02-2011 04:33PM

the world is watching the coward that want to run ireland
he has all ready made us a joke around the world once again and he is not even in power

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12391302
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/08/enda-kenny-television-debate
http://article.wn.com/view/2011/01/28/Pressure_mounts_on_Enda_Kenny_over_TV_debate/
It no wonder that only 3 out of 10 irish people want him to be Taoiseach

K_user · 08-02-2011 04:41PM

A laughing stock again...

He is embarrassing us and he isn't even in power

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