Why no far-right candidates?

Nolanger · 27-02-2011 07:38PM #1

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

gcgirl · 27-02-2011 07:39PM

you had the CSP is that not far right for you ?

joulter · 27-02-2011 07:44PM

http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/category/irish-solidarity-party/

that guy ran in cork south central. didn't get very far

Kev_ps3 · 27-02-2011 07:53PM

Because we are a bunch of pussys. The Irish dont have the backbone for the far-right.

RetroBate · 27-02-2011 07:57PM

Nolanger wrote: »

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

Presume you are talking about, anti-immigration candidates.

2011
Ted Neville, Cork South Central, Irish Solidarity Party: Votes 523 = 0.8%

2007
Ted Neville, Cork South Central, Immigration Control Platform: votes 804 = 1.36%

Maybe the above will go some way to explain it.

Blowfish · 27-02-2011 08:01PM

It depends on your definition of right wing. Economically there weren't really any extreme right candidates.

Socially, there were some as above, but they never get anywhere anyway.

newmug · 27-02-2011 08:02PM

I thought the answer to that would be obvious! Being far-right is bad! Anyway, it was right-ish policies that got us into this mess in the first place, we dont need any more of that thank you very much!

And to the gossin calling us pussies, say that to the people who voted Gerry Adams and other SF candidates in!

Pauleta · 27-02-2011 08:05PM

newmug wrote: »

I thought the answer to that would be obvious! Being far-right is bad! Anyway, it was right-ish policies that got us into this mess in the first place, we dont need any more of that thank you very much!

Bailing out banks and a free money for all welfare system are very left wing policies

Blowfish · 27-02-2011 08:07PM

newmug wrote: »

I thought the answer to that would be obvious! Being far-right is bad! Anyway, it was right-ish policies that got us into this mess in the first place, we dont need any more of that thank you very much!

How so? The policies that nationalised the debt from the banks onto the taxpayers were neither right wing capitalism nor left wing socialism. It was in fact just plain cronyism and/or incompetence.

LeixlipRed · 27-02-2011 08:09PM

Leo Varadkar?

joulter · 27-02-2011 08:10PM

Blowfish wrote: »

It depends on your definition of right wing. Economically there weren't really any extreme right candidates.

Socially, there were some as above, but they never get anywhere anyway.

when you say extreme-right economically do you mean anarcho-capitalist or something?

generally when people say far-right they mean anti-immigration, social conservatism and nationalism. it depends on the group but some of them aren't very right wing economically, more centrist or even protectionist in some cases.

the bnp are the best-known example of far-right

newmug · 27-02-2011 08:16PM

Pauleta wrote: »

Bailing out banks and a free money for all welfare system are very left wing policies

Blowfish wrote: »

How so? The policies that nationalised the debt from the banks onto the taxpayers were neither right wing capitalism nor left wing socialism. It was in fact just plain cronyism and/or incompetence.

Bailing out businesses at the expense of the people is very capitalist. Thats not taking from the fact that it is indeed also just plain cronyism and incompetence.

The welfare system we have is far from left-wing. I would say it sfairly centre. I know in some countries, there is zero dole (right), and in others, there is zero ownership of private property (left).

But what I was referring to was the prioritisation of business before anything else. Thats right wing. I mean in relation to planning, building anywhere and everywhere, allowing inflation to dictate economic policy, lack of properly organised social infrastructure, closing hospitals while people die on trolleys in A+E etc. All these things are right wing. We've been living in a right wing utopia for the last ten years1

Blowfish · 27-02-2011 08:19PM

joulter wrote: »

when you say extreme-right economically do you mean anarcho-capitalist or something?

In the modern sense, I'd say deregulated free marketeerism.

newmug wrote: »

Bailing out businesses at the expense of the people is very capitalist.

Not in the least. Capitalism dicatates that you take the bad with the good and have zero interference, i.e. the banks fecked up, that's their own fault, so they should be allowed fail.

newmug · 27-02-2011 08:27PM

Blowfish wrote: »

Capitalism dicatates that you take the bad with the good and have zero interference, i.e. the banks fecked up, that's their own fault, so they should be allowed fail.

You're splitting hairs over various shades of right winged-ness. When you take the bad with the good, thats centre, no? Hoisting the banks failure on the people is right wing, giving two fingers to the banks investors for the benefit of the people is left wing. Obviously centre is what should have happened.

HavingCrack · 27-02-2011 08:31PM

newmug wrote: »

You're splitting hairs over various shades of right winged-ness. When you take the bad with the good, thats centre, no? Hoisting the banks failure on the people is right wing, giving two fingers to the banks investors for the benefit of the people is left wing. Obviously centre is what should have happened.

Proper right wing economic policies would dictate that businesses stand and fall on their own feet. The banks failed so they collapse is capitalism. Supposedly right wing state intervention in the markets to protect the interests of big business a aka the banks is just as bad as left wing nationalisation.

mikemac · 27-02-2011 08:32PM

joulter wrote: »

generally when people say far-right they mean anti-immigration,

True, but you could also say it's free market and pro big business. And big business would favour immigration for cheap labour

Depends on the definition you give it

HavingCrack · 27-02-2011 08:34PM

feelingstressed wrote: »

True, but you could also say it's free market and pro big business. And big business would favour immigration for cheap labour

Depends on the definition you give it

Exactly as right wing could refer to the Islamic theocracies in Iran and Saudi Arabia, a Republican government in the United States, the Conservatives in the UK, a military dictatorship such as Pinochets etc etc,,,

RandomName2 · 27-02-2011 08:36PM

Nolanger wrote: »

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

OP needs better definition of left-right political division.

panda100 · 27-02-2011 08:39PM

I think we can thank our lucky stars we don't have a party like the BNP over here. I think the people of Ireland are intelligent enough to realise that immigrants were not to blame for our economic collapse, but rather it was the failed policies of FF.

davdvn · 27-02-2011 08:46PM

for a proper right wing party to come forward we need a left wing commie party to threaten the establishment. up and coming sinn fein should do the trick.

27-02-2011 08:50PM

we need a right winged liberal party in my opinion

we have a fair amount of choice on the left side and probably too many center parties

Dionysus · 27-02-2011 08:53PM

Nolanger wrote: »

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

Er, Shane Ross?

Dionysus · 27-02-2011 08:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

we need a right winged liberal party in my opinion

Yes, after all the Progressive Democrats were such a cracking success for the Irish economy.

Hopefully Fine Gael will continue on their tradition and privatise all Irish semi-states like the ESB and Bord Gáis now during a recession when they can be sold cheaply. Hopefully, that is, for all Fine Gael's political opponents.

Blowfish · 27-02-2011 08:58PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Er, Shane Ross?

He's in favour of protecting the depositors of the banks. In a far right free market system, the banks would be allowed collapse with no intervention, meaning all shareholders, bondholders and depositors lose out. This is precisely why we don't have any far right candidates.

sarumite · 27-02-2011 09:02PM

newmug wrote: »

Bailing out businesses at the expense of the people is very capitalist. Thats not taking from the fact that it is indeed also just plain cronyism and incompetence.

No it is not....a true capitalist would let them fail...allow market forces to determine the course of action.

The welfare system we have is far from left-wing. I would say it sfairly centre. I know in some countries, there is zero dole (right), and in others, there is zero ownership of private property (left).

Thats a pretty crude method to determine that its centre....sorry, not buying it. A person can agree with private property rights and be left...furthermore one can agree with unemployment payments and be right. Your binary approach to things fails in the real world.

But what I was referring to was the prioritisation of business before anything else. Thats right wing. I mean in relation to planning, building anywhere and everywhere, allowing inflation to dictate economic policy, lack of properly organised social infrastructure, closing hospitals while people die on trolleys in A+E etc. All these things are right wing. We've been living in a right wing utopia for the last ten years1

Lawrence1895 · 27-02-2011 09:08PM

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Leo Varadkar?

And Richard Bruton?

Don't know, is a TD who tolerates racist attitudes in his constituency some kind of open minded to those attitudes himself?

.0 · 27-02-2011 09:20PM

sarumite wrote: »

No it is not....a true capitalist would let them fail...allow market forces to determine the course of action.

No, that's what a libertarian ideologue would like to happen, not what an actual capitalist would do.

Manach · 27-02-2011 09:25PM

The MNC which are the essence of the captialist system seem to be doing fair well in Ireland at the moment.

Benito · 27-02-2011 09:26PM

Nolanger wrote: »

Anyone have a reasonable explanation why not even one person going for election had far-right views? Surely some people would have voted for these candidates?

Shatter, Varadker, Lenihan B etc? Who you want, an Irish Facist party?

27-02-2011 09:32PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Yes, after all the Progressive Democrats were such a cracking success for the Irish economy.

Hopefully Fine Gael will continue on their tradition and privatise all Irish semi-states like the ESB and Bord Gáis now during a recession when they can be sold cheaply. Hopefully, that is, for all Fine Gael's political opponents.

lol the PDs werent right wing...they might have thought they were or people might have thought they were but were certainly were not......!

Nolanger · 27-02-2011 09:32PM

Benito wrote: »

Who you want, an Irish Facist party?

Maybe change your username?

Why no far-right candidates?

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