The Leaving Cert Is A Form Of Slavery

UsernameInUse · 01-04-2011 01:38PM #1

Wouldn't you agree?

Think about it: We're put through a desperate school system that is found lacking. Then they discriminate against us by stopping us from earning a living because of a bogus points system. Surely, we can come up with a more humane system than this.

For example, we should do away with the Leaving Cert and let the individual colleges set their own standards. If you don't get the points you quite need to do, say medicine for example, you can pay to do it regardless of points.
This is a far better system. Most of us don't even realise what we're interested in doing, nor take it seriously enough until our twenties.

Leaving Cert is a form of slavery....yay or nay?

admiralofthefleet · 01-04-2011 01:40PM

students need to wait til they are working full time and look back at how easy school was before thinking the leaving is difficult

Knasher · 01-04-2011 01:41PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

If you don't get the points you quite need to do, say medicine for example, you can pay to do it regardless of points.
This is a far better system.

Yes that doesn't sound like it would unfairly benefit the rich at all.

FatherLen · 01-04-2011 01:41PM

nay. its grand.

chin_grin · 01-04-2011 01:42PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Leaving Cert is a form of slavery....yay or nay?

Ok.............ok. Right. Hear me out. Guys. The schools right? No. Really. The schools are all in it together right? And they pump us full of this stuff called 'misinformation'. No.............listen. And then they sit us in a hall and make us compete with each other to see who has put more of this misinformation in their heads. Guys. Listen. An then, right, then the ones who have been brainwashed become leaders of countries. No! Listen. Seriously.

emeraldstar · 01-04-2011 01:42PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

students need to wait til they are working full time and look back at how easy school was before thinking the leaving is difficult

Work over school any day. (School is also full time anyway.)

Noo · 01-04-2011 01:43PM

Cant say I would be happy to have a student doc cut me open who only got 100 on the LC and paid for his medical place. I'd rather have someone with the intellectual capability to complete a medical degree.

Collie D · 01-04-2011 01:43PM

If I ever need heart surgery I want the guy with 600 points cutting me open, not the one whose daddy had a big bacnk account

UsernameInUse · 01-04-2011 01:44PM

Knasher wrote: »

Yes that doesn't sound like it would unfairly benefit the rich at all.

The poor can save too?!

Besides, college fees come down historically under this system.

UsernameInUse · 01-04-2011 01:45PM

Noo wrote: »

Cant say I would be happy to have a student doc cut me open who only got 100 on the LC and paid for his medical place. I'd rather have someone with the intellectual capability to complete a medical degree.

Collie D wrote: »

If I ever need heart surgery I want the guy with 600 points cutting me open, not the one whose daddy had a big bacnk account

Well, they obviously wouldn't have a medicine degree if they didn't complete the exam, now would they? Daddy would just be throwing his cash in the bin.

Mena · 01-04-2011 01:45PM

Collie D wrote: »

If I ever need heart surgery I want the guy with 600 points cutting me open, not the one whose daddy had a big bacnk account

They both have to go through and pass the same courses/exams/tests so that really makes no difference.

Collie D · 01-04-2011 01:47PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Well, they obviously wouldn't have a medicine degree if they didn't complete the exam, now would they? Daddy would just be throwing his cash in the bin.

But you're still rewarding the rich kids over the ones who worked hard. Most of my friends would never have gone to third level if fees were introduced. Important lesson that you won;t learn in life is that daddy's cheque-book won;t get you through life. A bit of work and brains won;t kill you

Noo · 01-04-2011 01:48PM

Re-read the post- student doc! theyre all around in the hospitals and may not have completed exams yet. I'd rather have the brighter spark rooting around my insides!

Logical Fallacy · 01-04-2011 01:48PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Wouldn't you agree?

Think about it: We're put through a desperate school system that is found lacking. Then they discriminate against us by stopping us from earning a living because of a bogus points system. Surely, we can come up with a more humane system than this.

For example, we should do away with the Leaving Cert and let the individual colleges set their own standards. If you don't get the points you quite need to do, say medicine for example, you can pay to do it regardless of points.
This is a far better system. Most of us don't even realise what we're interested in doing, nor take it seriously enough until our twenties.

Leaving Cert is a form of slavery....yay or nay?

lol, the Leaving Cert is a piece of piss.

I really like how you advocate a system where people don't really need to work to achieve, they can just pay there way up the ladder.

Scuid Mhór · 01-04-2011 01:49PM

I'm dreading the Leaving Cert but I'm not gonna say it's a euphemism for slavery anytime soon...

UsernameInUse · 01-04-2011 01:49PM

Collie D wrote: »

But you're still rewarding the rich kids over the ones who worked hard. Most of my friends would never have gone to third level if fees were introduced. Important lesson that you won;t learn in life is that daddy's cheque-book won;t get you through life. A bit of work and brains won;t kill you

It isn't rewarding the rich kids over the poor ones...

The fact is, education isn't free for your friends. That money came from somewhere - mostly out of poor peoples pockets who probably don't have kids in college themselves. There is no equality in that system. If your friends want to go to college and get on in life, then they shouldn't expect others to pay for them.

CreepingDeath · 01-04-2011 01:52PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Think about it: We're put through a desperate school system that is found lacking.

It's only lacking if you're thick as two planks.

Knasher · 01-04-2011 01:52PM

I do think that the leaving cert (and especially the science parts) puts way too much emphasis on remembering stuff over actually understanding it. I remember one teacher in specific who just had us memorize all the answers to the last 10 years papers because there wasn't all that much variation in the questions. And of course you always have the teachers who leave out sections because it came up last year and is therefore unlikely to come up again.

Maybe is just me but I quickly discarded all the information that I memorized as soon as I put down my pen. What I actually remember are the parts from the teachers who actually cared enough to make us understand what we were learning.

Nodin · 01-04-2011 01:54PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Wouldn't you agree?

Think about it: We're put through a desperate school system that is found lacking. Then they discriminate against us by stopping us from earning a living because of a bogus points system. Surely, we can come up with a more humane system than this.

For example, we should do away with the Leaving Cert and let the individual colleges set their own standards. If you don't get the points you quite need to do, say medicine for example, you can pay to do it regardless of points.
This is a far better system. Most of us don't even realise what we're interested in doing, nor take it seriously enough until our twenties.

Leaving Cert is a form of slavery....yay or nay?

If you think the LC is slavery, christ help ye when you start working....

steddyeddy · 01-04-2011 01:54PM

The leaving cert is tough but it isnt slavery. The problem I have with the leaving cert is that it doesnt encourage learning it encourages people to pass.

Logical Fallacy · 01-04-2011 01:56PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

I'm dreading the Leaving Cert but I'm not gonna say it's a euphemism for slavery anytime soon...

You'll be grand. Just get the head down and put the work in and you'll fly through it.

Best tip that someone gave me was to know what you need to get from it and how you can achieve that. Going into the LC i was doing Honours level Maths, English,Irish,French,Biology,Geography and Business Studies. I actually didn't need all that many points for the course i wanted so i dropped the honours Irish and French and focused on the easier (for me subjects).

Not having to worry about those two extra Honours Level papers really allowed me to focus on the Honours subjects i knew i could excel at.

4 Honours A's later i was laughing.

UsernameInUse · 01-04-2011 01:56PM

Everybody in this thread is completely missing the point.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Leaving being difficult or 'it's harder when you start working in real life'. The problem is that it restricts people from doing what they want to do in life. It's a case of human freedom - if people want to go to the best school, pay for it. Live your dream.

Logical Fallacy · 01-04-2011 01:58PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Everybody in this thread is completely missing the point.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Leaving being difficult or 'it's harder when you start working in real life'. The problem is that it restricts people from doing what they want to do in life. It's a case of human freedom - if people want to go to the best school, pay for it. Live your dream.

What the ****e are you talking about?

"It restricts people from doing what they want to do"....oh boo hoo!!!! Work hard, get your course. Easy.

digme · 01-04-2011 01:58PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

Everybody in this thread is completely missing the point.

It has absolutely nothing to do with the Leaving being difficult or 'it's harder when you start working in real life'. The problem is that it restricts people from doing what they want to do in life. It's a case of human freedom - if people want to go to the best school, pay for it. Live your dream.

I think you go to school to restrict your learning to be honest about it.
The un-eduction system is what it should be called.

digme · 01-04-2011 02:00PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

What the ****e are you talking about?

"It restricts people from doing what they want to do"....oh boo hoo!!!! Work hard, get your course. Easy.

People have different natural talents,not everyone should be measured
by what they can remember by reading some book.

Scuid Mhór · 01-04-2011 02:01PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

if people want to go to the best school, pay for it. Live your dream.

But kids in poverty get to stick with their nightmares, yeah?

Fremen · 01-04-2011 02:01PM

We're a small country, and we have a limited number of universities, each of which has a limited number of places.

If you believe the following, you're logically constrained to support some sort of points system (or system of individual interviews, which amounts to the same thing):

1/ Education should be affordable for everyone.

2/ All other things equal, if person A has better grades than person B, person A should get first choice of courses.

01-04-2011 02:01PM

Learning compared to slavery, great. That's wonderful.

Excuse me while I weep for humanity
:rolleyes:

Tubsandtiles · 01-04-2011 02:02PM

Blast the leaving cert with piss ?

Knasher · 01-04-2011 02:04PM

UsernameInUse wrote: »

The poor can save too?!

Besides, college fees come down historically under this system.

Really? Historically where has it been implemented. Because the only outcome I can see for your system is that the only people who get into the very best schools are the upper echelon of society because they are the only ones who can afford it. Additionally courses that have extremely high point entries will end up being filled by the rich (how could they not).

In the end the only people who would get to "live their dreams" are the rich.

Logical Fallacy · 01-04-2011 02:04PM

digme wrote: »

People have different natural talents,not everyone should be measured
by what they can remember by reading some book.

And there are many different avenues for further education after school.

What do you think college is? In a good college it's what you can remember from reading some books combined with developing independant thought around the subject matter....in a bad college it's what you can remember from reading some books.

Pretty much exactly the same as Secondary Schools.

The Leaving Cert Is A Form Of Slavery

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