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Trouble brewing in Cork hurling again.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 IvanW


    Are they ever happy down there. How many times in the past few years have Cork had a winter of discontent.

    The players at this stage should realise that it it a manager who picks the panel/team and not them.

    O'Hailpin has been a massive palyer for them but at this stage and at his age should he not just go gracefully for the sake of the county.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    As a Cork GAA fan the last thing we need is another strike,Walsh has made his decision and the players and Sean Og should respect it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 34,550 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I don't think an all out strike will happen ( at least I hope not ) - as the man said , theres no harm in asking!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    They're trying to undermine the manager who made his decision a long time ago. They should just get on with it, sick of them playing around at this stage and sticking to what they should be concentrating on: trying to get on a par with the Tipperary and Kilkenny squads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    dcr22B wrote: »
    They're trying to undermine the manager who made his decision a long time ago

    :rolleyes: Some people are easily influenced by rags like the Sunday Independent.

    I'll bet money with anyone that there won't be a strike before the seasons starts - anyone fancy to put their money where their mouth is? OP? Dcr? Dartbhoy?

    I'll assume not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    BTW, the Sunday Independent is the same paper that 'broke' a story about Ciaran Sheehan going to OZ in 2012 to play AFL.

    I'll let you guess as to the accuracy and authenticity of this story. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Orizio wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Some people are easily influenced by rags like the Sunday Independent.

    I'll bet money with anyone that there won't be a strike before the seasons starts - anyone fancy to put their money where their mouth is? OP? Dcr? Dartbhoy?

    I assumed not.

    Nobody in this thread mentioned that they think there'll be a strike(apart from me but I think most sensible people could see that I wasn't being serious). But it's absolutely disgracful that they're questioning the manager's decision to drop Sean Og. All players at all levels have issues with the selection of squads but it always appears to be the Cork hurlers who have to take it to the next level.

    I would however put a considerable sum of money on assuming that Donal Og Cusack is at the centre of all this. His book was the most egotistical self promoting piece of thrash I have ever read and only for the revelations about his private life it would have seriously ridiculed by all decent Gaa people.

    Sean Og had seriously declined,maybe still worth a spot on the bench but on the way out none the less. The manager didn't see him as part of his plans and decided to axe him altogether. In most counties this decision would be seen as final. Not in Cork however.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭dartbhoy


    Orizio wrote: »
    :rolleyes: Some people are easily influenced by rags like the Sunday Independent.

    I'll bet money with anyone that there won't be a strike before the seasons starts - anyone fancy to put their money where their mouth is? OP? Dcr? Dartbhoy?

    I assumed not.
    The story could be a load of s***e but all I said in relation to the thread was Cork didn't need another strike and personally I don't think there will be any more strikes in Cork.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭Browney7


    Any other paper and I might believe it. Sindo is a glorified rag. I would agree though if the players are questioning their manager's decisions then there is no place for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Nobody in this thread mentioned that they think there'll be a strike(apart from me but I think most sensible people could see that I wasn't being serious).

    Excellent - how much will that bet be then?
    But it's absolutely disgracful that they're questioning the manager's decision to drop Sean Og.

    They, like everyone else in the county, want to know why he was dropped from the panel entirely. If Denis Walsh was honest and up-front, rather then vague, in the first place, then we wouldn't have such confusion and speculation.

    Also, and this is assuming the story is true (considering the same paper got the Sheehan/AFL 'story' completely incorrect I wouldn't take anything for granted) this meeting was done in a private and face-to-face manner and evidently with the utmost respect while Denis Walsh himself had no problem partaking in the meeting so I don't see what exactly was 'absolutely disgraceful' about it.
    but it always appears to be the Cork hurlers who have to take it to the next level.

    Are you honestly trying to suggest that this is the first time players have privately asked the manager about a selection decision? :rolleyes:
    I would however put a considerable sum of money on assuming that Donal Og Cusack is at the centre of all this. His book was the most egotistical self promoting piece of thrash I have ever read and only for the revelations about his private life it would have seriously ridiculed by all decent Gaa people.

    You really need to cop the **** on - do you know just how much work Donal Og has put into Cork GAA at grassroots and inter-county level not just in Cork but elsewhere? Vastly more then you. And yet you feel you have the right to slander a GAA legend and All-Ireland winner on the internet despite not even knowing him on any personel level.

    How utterly pathetic and cowardly of you.
    Sean Og had seriously declined,maybe still worth a spot on the bench but on the way out none the less.

    I know.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    Orizio wrote: »
    I'll bet money with anyone that there won't be a strike before the seasons starts - anyone fancy to put their money where their mouth is? OP? Dcr? Dartbhoy?

    I won't put my money where my mouth is as I didn't mention the word strike. There's no smoke without fire and Seán Óg's interview with Tubridy didn't exactly help issues.

    I stand by my point though that it would be more in the Cork hurler's interests to concentrate on what happens on the pitch rather than goings-on off it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭dcr22B


    Orizio wrote: »
    Are you honestly trying to suggest that this is the first time players have privately asked the manager about a selection decision?

    Possibly not but why is it ending up in the papers then? You don't read about stuff like this from other counties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Browney7 wrote: »
    Any other paper and I might believe it. Sindo is a glorified rag. I would agree though if the players are questioning their manager's decisions then there is no place for that.

    True, but unfortunately the decision to drop Sean Og (and only him) entirely from the squad makes pretty much no sense to anyone in the county. If its for hurling reasons then he would surely cut a half a dozen other players as well as a lot of the senior hurlers aren't up to much; if it was because he is a 'troublemaker' then again one would think he was one amongst a few to be cut. Basically getting rid of him from the squad entirely would only real make sense in a wider clear-out. On top of that his first proper year in charge was pretty awful, even taking into account the lack of quality in Cork Hurling right now. Hence the confusion in Cork GAA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Orizio wrote: »
    You really need to cop the **** on - do you know just how much work Donal Og has put into Cork GAA at grassroots and inter-county level not just in Cork but elsewhere? Vastly more then you. And yet you feel you have the right to slander a GAA legend and All-Ireland winner on the internet despite not even knowing him on any personel level.

    How utterly pathetic and cowardly of you.


    Did you read my post? I gave my opinion on his book as well as saying I'd assume he was at the centre of the complaints to Walsh about the dropping of Sean Og. Can you please explain to me how I slandered him?

    I never once said I knew him but as far as I'm concerned if a man, any man, releases a book about his life and goes on a massive publicity drive to try and get as many copies as possible sold to the general public then of course he willing to put his merits up for debate in a public forum. Be it the pub or an internet forum.

    Edit: Post reported by the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    dcr22B wrote: »
    Possibly not but why is it ending up in the papers then? You don't read about stuff like this from other counties.

    Well the interesting question is who or how it was 'leaked'. Apparently the meeting happened weeks ago and the weight training and so on has been continuing on unabashed since. The fact that it is only getting out now suggests that there really isn't much of a problem, and I'm struggling to see how anyone is being undermined since it was done privately.

    Once again, it is not strange for a player or even a group of players to seek clarification regarding selection and tactics, and evidently management themselves didn't have a problem with the meeting or else they would have refused to take part. The reality is that anything even remotely controversial involving the Cork hurlers is newsworthy and again the Independent is a sensetionalist rag.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    @Orizio

    Your posts are just abusive responses, and I too have reported you. Thank God your not a mod here anymore.


    As for the meeting, I'm sure Walsh had his reasons for dropping O hAilpin, such as poor form. He being the manager, does not have to answer to anybody but the County Board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    eroo wrote: »
    @Orizio

    Your posts are just abusive responses, and I too have reported you. Thank God your not a mod here anymore.


    As for the meeting, I'm sure Walsh had his reasons for dropping O hAilpin, such as poor form. He being the manager, does not have to answer to anybody but the County Board.

    I was never a mod on the GAA forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Did you read my post? I gave my opinion on his book as well as saying I'd assume he was at the centre of the complaints to Walsh about the dropping of Sean Og. Can you please explain to me how I slandered him?

    I never once said I knew him but as far as I'm concerned if a man, any man, releases a book about his life and goes on a massive publicity drive to try and get as many copies as possible sold to the general public then of course he willing to put his merits up for debate in a public forum. Be it the pub or an internet forum.

    You stated that Donal Og was 'at the center of this' (i.e. the meeting) - you then offered absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. That is slander, a clear, anonymous and unsubstantiated attack on the character of a complete stranger that you do not know (as was the rest of your hyperbolic post), and I might add, as you want to get into a debate about forum rules, that such personal and speculative comments against individual GAA players are against forum rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Nobody in this thread mentioned that they think there'll be a strike(apart from me but I think most sensible people could see that I wasn't being serious). But it's absolutely disgracful that they're questioning the manager's decision to drop Sean Og. All players at all levels have issues with the selection of squads but it always appears to be the Cork hurlers who have to take it to the next level.

    I would however put a considerable sum of money on assuming that Donal Og Cusack is at the centre of all this. His book was the most egotistical self promoting piece of thrash I have ever read and only for the revelations about his private life it would have seriously ridiculed by all decent Gaa people.

    Sean Og had seriously declined,maybe still worth a spot on the bench but on the way out none the less. The manager didn't see him as part of his plans and decided to axe him altogether. In most counties this decision would be seen as final. Not in Cork however.......

    Read the word in bold font and look for an online dictionary to explain its meaning to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Read the word in bold font and look for an online dictionary to explain its meaning to you.

    That sentence makes absolutely no sense. How can you put money on yourself assuming something? :rolleyes:

    Its entirely clear that you were speculating that Donal Og was behind an attempt to undermine DW. You have absolutely no proof of this whatsoever, os it is slander. At least try and stick by your words rather then backtrack.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Orizio wrote: »
    That sentence makes absolutely no sense. How can you put money on yourself assuming something?

    The same way I can put money on a team because I assume they're going to win. Like I said, a dictionary should help you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    The same way I can put money on a team because I assume they're going to win.

    Wow. So you agree that the use of the term 'assuming' was redundant?
    Like I said, a dictionary should help you.

    Are these patronising little insults really necessary?

    I've added more on to the quoted post btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Are you going to apologise for your unproven and slanderous comments towards Donal Og or not? Or simply attempt to cower behind more of your pedantry and attempt to personally insult me for the third time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    I was implying that if I was a betting man (which I am) I'd say Donal Og would be a major player in getting this meeting to have Denis Walsh explain his decision to drop Sean Og held.
    This is not slanderous, in fact I'd say most Gaa followers who haven't been living under a rock for the past seven years would agree with me.

    If however you still find any of my previous comments slanderous then rather then repeating yourself please PM me for my personal details if you or anyone you know wants to take further action against me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    So I'll take as a no then?

    I would ask you as a GAA fan not to slander or speculate about players like that in future, particularly one that has done so much for GAA over the past decade. The point about the internet is that players can't directly respond to these kind of speculations, so its entirely unfair on them.

    Thank you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    I was implying that if I was a betting man (which I am) I'd say Donal Og would be a major player in getting this meeting to have Denis Walsh explain his decision to drop Sean Og held.
    This is not slanderous, in fact I'd say most Gaa followers who haven't been living under a rock for the past seven years would agree with me.

    Yes it is, as you have no basis for saying, by implying or otherwise, such a thing. You have no proof, so its slander. The feelings of other GAA fans is irrelevent. I can't make it any clear then that and have no interest repeating myself again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭Royal Seahawk


    Orizio wrote: »
    Yes it is, as you have no basis for saying, by implying or otherwise, such a thing. You have no proof, so its slander. The feelings of other GAA fans is irrelevent. I can't make it any clear then that and have no interest repeating myself again.

    I have plenty of reasons for implying that Donal Og would be behind Denis Walsh having to explain himself to the team.

    In his book he calls himself a troublemaker who likes to fight authority on numerous occasions. His close friendship with Sean Og. All these would lead me to assume that Donal Og is the main player in this.
    No where did I state this is fact. But it's what I believe. And I'm allowed to post on here that it's what I believe. It's called an opinion. And everyone is entitled to one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭Fentdog84


    Orozio & seahawk..There is two main types of defamation in law, libel & slander. libel is where a false or illegal accusation against a person is made through a median for public consumption that damages a person's reputation e.g an article in a newspaper, whether a person suffers monetary damages as a result or not is unimportant.
    Slander is where one person makes a false statement to another about a third party which causes material damages to the third party. e.g loss of a job or business, false criminal conviction. The only person who could take action in a situation like this is Donal og shud he suffer damages. Anyway the intent is not a direct accusation or slander by seahawk. Just thought i would clear that up..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭shockframe


    I was implying that if I was a betting man (which I am) I'd say Donal Og would be a major player in getting this meeting to have Denis Walsh explain his decision to drop Sean Og held.
    This is not slanderous, in fact I'd say most Gaa followers who haven't been living under a rock for the past seven years would agree with me.

    Your fairly well up to speed with matters cork.Whereabouts in cork city do you live.faranree, blackrock, douglas?

    As an outsider living in cork the last 3 weeks of so called speculation and supposed striking is the biggest load of c""" I have heard in a long long time.what proof has anyone got of donal og the leader of the cork hurling fascist party of trying to oust denis walsh.

    He was asked about his opinion of a team mate that he played with for almost 20 years and how he would cope with sean og gone.Like any player would be asked across the country be it gaa, tennis, soccer, rugby etc.Just because donal og said sean og was a legend it seems like strike action is on the cards now.

    I know from limerick the danger of replacing experienced players.we never replaced gary kirby and dave clarke when they left and we never really recovered.its a similar scenario to cork now.

    For what its worth I dont buy into this notion that Cork were the most professional team ever in the recorded history of mankind but some of the critics of them from people who read third rate sources have a lot to learn.

    The CCB is a relic of the stone age.Similar to fianna fail and to a lesser extent the catholic church.People of the arent we grand with our 30 all irelands we'll win 5 of the next 10 not a bother.People who have presided over a period that has seen cork win 3 all irelands since 1990.only one (1999) that they can take credit for.A big 3 in hurling that are in decline and the generals club 2 minutes away from relegation only for a seamus darby moment.A culture of clubs picking players because of their name.

    Consider the most successful club in Cork.Nemo Rangers.A club who are a success in spite of the CCB.A club who are disliked by certain figures but always produce winning teams.Rather than being encouraged by cork they are almost outcasts.

    I dont know the full ins and outs of whats going on in hurling but put it this way Sean og was never disgraced in a cork jersey whereas some of the forwards have been an embarrassment for years and are still around.

    Ultimately Cork hurlings golden era ended after kilkenny beat them in 2006 but they have had a manager that didnt succeed after 2 years in charge and should have left and they now have a manager who deserves another year at least no matter how limited he is.Some players might like him others may not.Not every manager is loved in a club or county team but the players have to get on with it.

    Sean og is not a player I am too bothered about one way or another but put it this way at 33 he is still one of the fittest players in the country and should not have been discarded.Sean og may have his faults but having seen many players who have wasted talent he is worthy of respect for his dedication alone.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    I would however put a considerable sum of money on assuming that Donal Og Cusack is at the centre of all this. His book was the most egotistical self promoting piece of thrash I have ever read and only for the revelations about his private life it would have seriously ridiculed by all decent Gaa people.

    Rubbish! You have no idea of the work that Donal Og does to promote hurling in weaker counties and many other projects - if you still have the book, have a look at chapter 29. I'd saw you skimmed the book more than anything else because if you had read it, you would have seen the farce of a county board that the Cork teams had to put up with - cold showers after training, fighting to get a team doctor at every game, to get rid of a manager who couldn't lead - look for a quote by John Gardiner on that.
    Orizio wrote: »
    True, but unfortunately the decision to drop Sean Og (and only him) entirely from the squad makes pretty much no sense to anyone in the county. If its for hurling reasons then he would surely cut a half a dozen other players as well as a lot of the senior hurlers aren't up to much; if it was because he is a 'troublemaker' then again one would think he was one amongst a few to be cut. Basically getting rid of him from the squad entirely would only real make sense in a wider clear-out. On top of that his first proper year in charge was pretty awful, even taking into account the lack of quality in Cork Hurling right now. Hence the confusion in Cork GAA.

    He was definitely worth a place on the bench, for his leadership and inspiration alone. He is as fit as he ever was. It came out that Sean Og had "retired" which was not the case, as he had been dropped, which Sean Og came out and said. What does that say for the management?
    I have plenty of reasons for implying that Donal Og would be behind Denis Walsh having to explain himself to the team.

    In his book he calls himself a troublemaker who likes to fight authority on numerous occasions. His close friendship with Sean Og. All these would lead me to assume that Donal Og is the main player in this.
    No where did I state this is fact. But it's what I believe. And I'm allowed to post on here that it's what I believe. It's called an opinion. And everyone is entitled to one.

    Where? The last strike he was not the ringleader, he didn't even want to do it. but because of the policy of the team votes, he rowed in behind it. But if you had read the book without those rose tinted glasses, you would have seen that, in a a couple of places. 2 things (which isn't plenty!) and you are lead to "assume" that Donal Og is the main player - I haven't read that much rubbish in quite a while! Oh yeah, your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

    The meeting mentioned in that rag happened weeks ago, and players are entitled to clear the air with management about issues that concern them, which happens in every dressing room. Clearing the air brought with it no hint of trouble - how you can take Donal Ogs statements and say that they are troublemaking is beyond belief! He says that he is very sad about it, he doesn't say that Walsh was wrong/right to drop Sean Og. They are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill once again

    If your not in the county, you know nothing about it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Blue Magic


    Rubbish! You have no idea of the work that Donal Og does to promote hurling in weaker counties and many other projects - if you still have the book, have a look at chapter 29. I'd saw you skimmed the book more than anything else because if you had read it, you would have seen the farce of a county board that the Cork teams had to put up with - cold showers after training, fighting to get a team doctor at every game, to get rid of a manager who couldn't lead - look for a quote by John Gardiner on that.



    He was definitely worth a place on the bench, for his leadership and inspiration alone. He is as fit as he ever was. It came out that Sean Og had "retired" which was not the case, as he had been dropped, which Sean Og came out and said. What does that say for the management?



    Where? The last strike he was not the ringleader, he didn't even want to do it. but because of the policy of the team votes, he rowed in behind it. But if you had read the book without those rose tinted glasses, you would have seen that, in a a couple of places. 2 things (which isn't plenty!) and you are lead to "assume" that Donal Og is the main player - I haven't read that much rubbish in quite a while! Oh yeah, your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

    The meeting mentioned in that rag happened weeks ago, and players are entitled to clear the air with management about issues that concern them, which happens in every dressing room. Clearing the air brought with it no hint of trouble - how you can take Donal Ogs statements and say that they are troublemaking is beyond belief! He says that he is very sad about it, he doesn't say that Walsh was wrong/right to drop Sean Og. They are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill once again

    If your not in the county, you know nothing about it

    You've said it now. A lot of slack jawed yokels from up the midlands, etc. making vacant-minded comments on Cork Hurling on this and other threads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭ClashCityRocker


    If your not in the county, you know nothing about it

    Blue Magic wrote: »
    You've said it now. A lot of slack jawed yokels from up the midlands, etc. making vacant-minded comments on Cork Hurling on this and other threads

    Nonsense. Plenty of people from outside Cork can comment on our hurling, and usually in a less biased manner than Cork people. Being in the county only means you're likely to be more swayed by a certain way of thinking, as this and the Sean Og threads demonstrate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭Daysha


    There's absolutely no need to bring this thread back up again. There's discussion underway in the Seán Óg thread and that should be enough.


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