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Is David Norris Toast?

  • 30-05-2011 4:18pm
    #1
    Judgement Day
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    Anybody hear Helen Lucy Burke on Liveline today? Her allegations about David Norris which stem from an interview by her contained in Magill some nine years ago raise serious issues about his views on moral/legal issues. The Liveline programme is available here: http://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/ and is dynamite. Lucy Burke has a tape of the original interview and if this is as explicit as she claims he is finished - possibly in the Senate too. I am not anti-gay and would probably have voted for him as President - before today. I was worried that Ireland wasn't ready for a 'gay' President but this is more serious if it stands up. :(


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  • #2
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    what does it say?


  • #3
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Listened to it today all right,If its all true what HLB says then there is no way he will be president,You would wonder why she is producing this tape now & why not before if she was so concerned ?


  • #4
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    The Magill artical from 2002 was answered and refuted in an interview and artical shortly after it was published.

    http://joejacksonjournalist.com/2010/09/06/david-norris-the-joe-jackson-interview/
    Today, May 22nd, I interview David Norris, in Ireland’s Sunday Independent newspaper. During that interview he said our last interview in 2002 “saved” his life. How? Because it overturned a slanderous allegation that had been made about him in another newspaper and led to him receiving widespread public support.

    It is dragging up stuff which was sorted out 9 years ago to try and undermine the campaign and lessen support. Will it work, I think is the question, honestly I hop not and it seems that there are those who are looking to find away to state that Senator Norris is too controversial while not appearing to be homophobic.


  • #5
    Dub.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭Dub.


    She appears to be claiming the real David Norris is a sociopathic, incestuous, child raping monster.

    Sorry, but i find that hard to believe, and would question the motivations of people making the claim.


  • #6
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Will it work

    Eh, no, very old news.


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  • #7
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    if she had more stuff where has she been for the last 9 years, why have we let this women's investigative journalism skills go to waste for such a long time


  • #8
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Morag


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Eh, no, very old news.

    There are people to whom this will be not old news.
    Be they people who weren't eligible to vote 9 years ago, or who didn't pay
    any notice to current affairs but who will be hearing about it for the first time and it may cause them to think, no smoke with out fire and to not give a preference to Sen. Norris.


  • #9
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    Yikes. Very, very easy to misprepresent what he said there. He should really have known better than to wax academic on such a dangerous topic to the media.


  • #10
    Judgement Day
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    According to Lucy Burke there was material that Magill considered too dicey to print and she gave Joe Duffy that info - off air - but it was not broadcast. She has the tape but it is mislaid in her home. I would be fairly confident that it will turn up. Defenders of the Senator question why she has waited until now to bring up the issue but I think that she felt that with Norris looking good for the Park it was time to put-up or shut-up. As I say, I have nothing against him and considered him amongst the best of the candidates but he has serious questions to answer - and not on just on his Facebook page.


  • #11
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    While it would have been much wiser for Norris not to have broached such topics as "classical Greek paedophilia/pederasty’" (sometimes he really is too chatty for his own good) there is very little to attack him with here and everyone is so keep to be seen to be PC these days I suspect he has nothing to worry about.

    Helen Lucy Burke is a cook isn't she?


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  • #12
    phantom_lord
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    I hope she finds the tape.


  • #13
    kn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭kn


    Here is the article concerned. If you are going to express an opinion at least read the article in question. The journalist Joe Jackson who attacked Helen Lucy Burke on Liveline for seemingly even rasing the issue admitted that he had not read it. I suspect he is 'close' to David Norris and his campaign.

    http://sites.google.com/site/norrisarticle/


  • #14
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Listened to the interview. Have to say there is a case to answer at the very least.

    What gave it a ring of truth is that Joe Jackson said at one stage that he had spoken recently to David Norris who had said that he had forgotten how accurately he had represented his grief at the time. Earlier in the interview Helen Lucy Burkesaid David Norris rang her to thank her for how accurately she represented his views. What struck me was the similarity between the two quotations. If one was reporting correctly (or accurately or rightly or truly or carefully) what David Norris said, the other probably did too as the language was similar. Only circumstantial evidence but enough to sow some element of doubt in my mind.

    Reminds me a bit of the Brian Lenihan - did I ring the Aras - case from a previous Presidential campaign.


  • #15
    PatsytheNazi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PatsytheNazi


    Norris is quite disgusting, hiding his sleeze behind a posh accent. If these things had been said by a bishop or priest, they would have been
    denounced and rightly so. However if you try to play yourself off as an eccentric Trinners intellectual you can expect to get off with it. Says a lot about the values that the Celtic Tiger etc brought about.

    Do we really want this thing to represent our country?


  • #16
    savvyav
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    Has anyone got a link to the original article? I can't find it anywhere.
    I think (I hope anyway) Norris was speaking in academic terms- when I did Greek and Roman Civilisation in college we learned about a Greek legend that describes a bull raping a woman and somehow this is seen in academic circles as representing the formation of the EU. Does that mean that the EU condones beastiality? Of course not. It's an academic metaphor!
    As for the younger man being initiated into adult life, I can only imagine that he meant having an older person to guide you through one of the big moments of adult life (be you straight or gay) would be comforting and reassuring.
    The fact she can't find the tape is not proving anything to me. I would love to hear what he said about incest though, just to be clear on it.
    This hasn't put me off voting for him but I wish he'd learn to censor what he says sometimes, just to avoid situations like this- its like the whole commonwealth/ 1916 rebels debacles all over again.

    Btw- did anyone hear HLB's snappy comment "I'm very well-known actually!"
    Emmm....are you?


  • #17
    Wolfe Tone
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    "In terms of classic paedophilia, as practised by the Greeks for example, where it is an older man introducing a younger man or boy to adult life, I think there can be something to be said for it."

    What was he on when he said that? What exactly is "classical paedophillia"?

    "In Athens the practice of pederasty was more freely constructed than the more formal Cretan and Spartan types.[9] Men courted boys at the gymnasia or the palaestrae, at symposia, at the baths and on the streets of the city.[citation needed] Fathers wanting to protect their sons from unwanted advances provided them with a slave guard, titled "pedagogos," to escort the boy in his travels.[citation needed]
    The courtship often was fiery, involving street fights with other suitors, sleeping on the threshold of the beloved as a show of sincerity, and composing and reciting love poems.[10] In encountering the boy, the suitor would attempt to seduce him by reaching up with one hand to turn his face to look him straight in the eye, and with the other reach down to stimulate him sexually, a variant of the standard pleading form in which one would grasp the knees of the person with one hand and turn his face with the other.[11] This ritual has been named by historians the "up and down gesture" and is routinely encountered in depictions on vases.
    The erotic and sexual aspect of the relationship, usually consisting of embracing, fondling and intercrural sex, ended when the youth reached adulthood, and evolved into a lifelong friendship (philia).    [12]"

    WTF is to be "said for that"?

    The "standin up fer da gay rites" guy they got on was quite annoying.

    David Norris was quite foolish to be talking about that, there is something a bit dodgy there. It's a taint on his character and will indeed cost him many votes.


  • #18
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    PatsytheNazi wrote: »
    Norris is quite disgusting, hiding his sleeze behind a posh accent. If these things had been said by a bishop or priest, they would have been
    denounced and rightly so. However if you try to play yourself off as an eccentric Trinners intellectual you can expect to get off with it. Says a lot about the values that the Celtic Tiger etc brought about.

    Do we really want this thing to represent our country?
    Thats a good point, if a priest said any of this there would be uproar and massive widespread condemnation.


  • #19
    mikemac
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    I'm surprised she went on radio today without being certain about the location of the tape.

    Maybe she will find it but best to be sure about these things as she is going to have to back all this up.

    Surely a person would gather everything together and only then go on live radio


  • #20
    Wolfe Tone
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    I'm surprised she went on radio today without being certain about the location of the tape.

    Maybe she will find it but best to be sure about these things as she is going to have to back all this up.

    Surely a person would gather everything together and only then go on live radio
    He never actually denied the quotes, he said that they were taken out of context.

    The quotes are accurate.


  • #21
    tayto lover
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    Norris was never a suitable candidate for president. Going around flaunting his gayness !!


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  • #22
    mike65
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    A priest is meant to be celibate ;)

    Like a said above Norris started "riffing" and clearly wasn't thinking about either the potential for controversy in itself or his own public persona (not only expressively gay but also to quote from PatsytheNAZI above "eccentric Trinners intellectual" and that fact certain types are innately suspicious of same)


  • #23
    Amhran Nua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Amhran Nua


    mike65 wrote: »
    Like a said above Norris started "riffing" and clearly wasn't thinking about either the potential for controversy in itself or his own public persona
    One way or the other the question has to be asked as to whether or not we should have someone that goes off on tangents like that as figurehead for the country. What if he started carrying on about it at a dinner with Obama or someone similar?


  • #24
    expectationlost
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    She has the tape but it is mislaid in her home. I would be fairly confident that it will turn up. Defenders of the Senator question why she has waited until now to bring up the issue but I think that she felt that with Norris looking good for the Park it was time to put-up or shut-up. .

    surely this info was serious enough the time to put or shut up would have been when he was being elected, reelected to our senate.


  • #25
    PatsytheNazi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PatsytheNazi


    Amhran Nua wrote: »
    One way or the other the question has to be asked as to whether or not we should have someone that goes off on tangents like that as figurehead for the country. What if he started carrying on about it at a dinner with Obama or someone similar?
    " the question has to be asked as to whether or not we should have someone that goes off on tangents like that as figurehead for the country "
    Exactly, we're already a feckin' joke thanks to our great property bubble and running to the IMF etc. Do we really have to make a complete mockery of ourselves :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


  • #26
    PatsytheNazi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PatsytheNazi


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    "In terms of classic paedophilia, as practised by the Greeks for example, where it is an older man introducing a younger man or boy to adult life, I think there can be something to be said for it."

    What was he on when he said that? What exactly is "classical paedophillia"?

    "In Athens the practice of pederasty was more freely constructed than the more formal Cretan and Spartan types.[9] Men courted boys at the gymnasia or the palaestrae, at symposia, at the baths and on the streets of the city.[citation needed] Fathers wanting to protect their sons from unwanted advances provided them with a slave guard, titled "pedagogos," to escort the boy in his travels.[citation needed]
    The courtship often was fiery, involving street fights with other suitors, sleeping on the threshold of the beloved as a show of sincerity, and composing and reciting love poems.[10] In encountering the boy, the suitor would attempt to seduce him by reaching up with one hand to turn his face to look him straight in the eye, and with the other reach down to stimulate him sexually, a variant of the standard pleading form in which one would grasp the knees of the person with one hand and turn his face with the other.[11] This ritual has been named by historians the "up and down gesture" and is routinely encountered in depictions on vases.
    The erotic and sexual aspect of the relationship, usually consisting of embracing, fondling and intercrural sex, ended when the youth reached adulthood, and evolved into a lifelong friendship (philia).[12]"

    WTF is to be "said for that"?

    The "standin up fer da gay rites" guy they got on was quite annoying.

    David Norris was quite foolish to be talking about that, there is something a bit dodgy there. It's a taint on his character and will indeed cost him many votes.
    Hopefully it - and I'm sure their's more to come - will cost him the election.


  • #27
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    I have to say I thought it was disgusting that one of the callers (Im an ex male prostitute and an alcoholic, that one) came on and attempted to attack Helen Lucy Burke as being anti gay when there is nothing to suggest that and by her own account evidence to the contrary.

    I don't have an agenda against Norris, in fact I even took the trouble to email him about his views on the 1916 rebels (thread here) But the views he expressed are quite frankly disgusting and have made me reevaluate my commitment to vote for him.


  • #28
    Nodin
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    "In terms of classic paedophilia, as practised by the Greeks for example, where it is an older man introducing a younger man or boy to adult life, I think there can be something to be said for it."

    What was he on when he said that? What exactly is "classical paedophillia"?

    Actually it's pederasty, which is a different thing. Not using the correct terminology can hang you, Senator Norris.


  • #29
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Nodin wrote: »
    Actually it's pederasty, which is a different thing. Not using the correct terminology can hang you, Senator Norris.
    In classical terms they are much the same...

    Athenian Pederasty

    Thats where I got the above extract.


  • #30
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I have to say I thought it was disgusting that one of the callers (Im an ex male prostitute and an alcoholic, that one) came on and attempted to attack Helen Lucy Burke as being anti gay when there is nothing to suggest that and by her own account evidence to the contrary.

    I don't have an agenda against Norris, in fact I even took the trouble to email him about his views on the 1916 rebels (thread here) But the views he expressed are quite frankly disgusting and have made me reevaluate my commitment to vote for him.

    What about the following quote which was a line before the sentence you quoted? "“I haven’t the slightest interest in children, or in people who are considerably younger than me. I cannot understand how anybody could find children of either sex in the slightest bit attractive sexually…"

    Whatever about the ancient Greeks, that's a whole different ball game. In reality though back then those things where happening and accepted.


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  • #31
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    What about the following quote which was a line before the sentence you quoted? "“I haven’t the slightest interest in children, or in people who are considerably younger than me. I cannot understand how anybody could find children of either sex in the slightest bit attractive sexually…"

    Whatever about the ancient Greeks, that's a whole different ball game. In reality though back then those things where happening and accepted.
    "Now again, this is not something that appeals to me, although when I was younger it would most certainly have appealed to me in the sense that I would have greatly relished the prospect of an older, attractive, mature man taking me under his wing, lovingly introducing me to sexual realities, and treating me with affection and teaching me about life - yes, I think that would be lovely; I would have enjoyed that.".


  • #32
    skelliser
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    reminds me of another presidential campaign concerning a tape!!

    anyone remember those famous words "on mature recollection...."


    This is only going to gain momentum, Norris needs to step up!


  • #33
    mikemac
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    He never actually denied the quotes, he said that they were taken out of context.

    The quotes are accurate.

    I wasn't realy referring to the quotes.
    That's all been discussed before on boards

    Just a journalist going on live radio, referring to a tape but then she isn't sure where it is.
    If she fails to locate it she's going to look bad.
    Strange thing to do realy. :confused:


  • #34
    PatsytheNazi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭PatsytheNazi


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    What about the following quote which was a line before the sentence you quoted? "“I haven’t the slightest interest in children, or in people who are considerably younger than me. I cannot understand how anybody could find children of either sex in the slightest bit attractive sexually…"

    Whatever about the ancient Greeks, that's a whole different ball game. In reality though back then those things where happening and accepted.
    So we'll vote for him so that when he is talking to Obama or Angela Merkel or over in China or Japan, they can talk about sex and teenage boys and Joyce etc What a great President he'll make :rolleyes:


  • #35
    Nodin
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    "Now again, this is not something that appeals to me, although when I was younger it would most certainly have appealed to me in the sense that I would have greatly relished the prospect of an older, attractive, mature man taking me under his wing, lovingly introducing me to sexual realities, and treating me with affection and teaching me about life - yes, I think that would be lovely; I would have enjoyed that.".

    'I would have liked an older man'.

    Yep. earth shattering.


  • #36
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    "Now again, this is not something that appeals to me, although when I was younger it would most certainly have appealed to me in the sense that I would have greatly relished the prospect of an older, attractive, mature man taking me under his wing, lovingly introducing me to sexual realities, and treating me with affection and teaching me about life - yes, I think that would be lovely; I would have enjoyed that.".

    If you changed that to an attractive, older woman, would it be any different? I mean teenagers (I'm 20) are always going on about those "milf's". If you are a gay teenager, what's different about a "dilf" for lack of a better word? Is this not what he's talking about?


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Ah the stone throwing begins.
    I haven't the slightest doubt that this being brought up is mud slinging by those who would rather Sen Norris is not president.
    I heard the liveline thing and read the misrepresentations,yes misrepresentations.

    The gas thing is,the only people who peddle it are opponents of his bid and the only people that will put any credence in it are people who wouldn't have voted for him anyway for well reasons of bigotry mainly.


  • #38
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Nodin wrote: »
    'I would have liked an older man'.

    Yep. earth shattering.
    Its quite clear he is advocating paedophillia. That sounds quite similar to the "classical" form hence it is false to say that it was a strictly academical discussion about the Greeks as he advocates such a practice, saying that he himself would enjoy it.

    While he says "younger" its not clear what exact age he was referring to.


  • #39
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah the stone throwing begins.
    I haven't the slightest doubt that this being brought up is mud slinging by those who would rather Sen Norris is not president.
    I heard the liveline thing and read the misrepresentations,yes misrepresentations.

    The gas thing is,the only people who peddle it are opponents of his bid and the only people that will put any credence in it are people who wouldn't have voted for him anyway for well reasons of bigotry mainly.
    Nice bit of mudslinging there, anyone who objects to Norris views on pedophilia must be a bigot.


  • #40
    Judgement Day
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah the stone throwing begins.
    I haven't the slightest doubt that this being brought up is mud slinging by those who would rather Sen Norris is not president.
    I heard the liveline thing and read the misrepresentations,yes misrepresentations.

    The gas thing is,the only people who peddle it are opponents of his bid and the only people that will put any credence in it are people who wouldn't have voted for him anyway for well reasons of bigotry mainly.


    I want to hear from Senator Norris and there's no point in him hoping that if he keeps his head down it will all go away. I was definitely intending to vote for him.


  • #41
    sensibleken
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    PatsytheNazi wrote: »
    So we'll vote for him so that when he is talking to Obama or Angela Merkel or over in China or Japan, they can talk about sex and teenage boys and Joyce etc What a great President he'll make :rolleyes:

    or they can discuss this lovely poem

    LITTLE LAD OF THE TRICKS

    by Padraig Pearse.


    Little lad of the tricks,
    Full well I know
    That you have been in mischief:
    Confess your fault truly.

    I forgive you, child
    Of the soft red mouth:
    I will not condemn anyone
    For a sin not understood.

    Raise your comely head
    Till I kiss your mouth:
    If either of us is the better of that
    I am the better of it.

    There is a fragrance in your kiss
    That I have not found yet
    In the kisses of women
    Or in the honey of their bodies.

    Lad of the grey eyes,
    That flush in thy cheek
    Would be white with dread of me
    Could you read my secrets.

    He who has my secrets
    Is not fit to touch you:
    Is not that a pitiful thing,
    Little lad of the tricks ?


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  • #42
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    PatsytheNazi wrote: »
    So we'll vote for him so that when he is talking to Obama or Angela Merkel or over in China or Japan, they can talk about sex and teenage boys and Joyce etc What a great President he'll make :rolleyes:

    You're being ridiculous now. I mean we've just come from the time period where sex was hushed up, nobody would talk about it and even things like condoms where banned. I thought we had moved on, it looks like some haven't. And what makes you think that any of that would be brought up in official conversation?


  • #43
    Judgement Day
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    sensibleken - not one of your better posts. :rolleyes:


  • #44
    mike65
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    I think most of us know Pearce was a blood lusting pervert to be fair.


  • #45
    Nodin
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    According to Lucy Burke there was material that Magill considered too dicey to print and she gave Joe Duffy that info - off air - but it was not broadcast. .

    Thus conveniently allowing her to imply scandal without producing anything legally actionable or verifiable. Great standards by liveline as usual.
    Judgement Day wrote: »
    She has the tape but it is mislaid in her home. I would be fairly confident that it will turn up. .

    "mislaid". It beats 'ascended into heaven', but outside of that.......

    Considering how long its been known he was in the running, do you not think she would have dug it up by now?


  • #46
    subway
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    this has been on the radar for a while now, he seems to be ignoring it.
    he had a chance last week when it started to break.

    his lack of response to date is pathetic. his original comments moreso. if there is something there to defend the indefensible then lets hear it


  • #47
    sensibleken
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    sensibleken - not one of your better posts. :rolleyes:

    what i am illustrating is the inherent bias and taking certain quotes selective and out of context.

    That poem has been used as something to unjustly suggest Pearse was a pederast. something someone could easily arrive at on first reading, if you never read of pearses upset over the allegation.

    similarly you could arrive at the conclusion that Norris is a pederast despite the fact that in the same quote he denies it.

    It just depends on which bias you have


  • #48
    IngazZagni
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    subway wrote: »
    this has been on the radar for a while now, he seems to be ignoring it.
    he had a chance last week when it started to break.

    his lack of response to date is pathetic. his original comments moreso. if there is something there to defend the indefensible then lets hear it

    He defended it 9 years ago.


  • #49
    zuroph
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    subway wrote: »
    this has been on the radar for a while now, he seems to be ignoring it.
    he had a chance last week when it started to break.

    his lack of response to date is pathetic. his original comments moreso. if there is something there to defend the indensible then lets hear it

    eh, he responds to it on his website, and also gave a full and frank interview about it a good while back, and also links that article. Or should he respond every single time someone mentions it?

    last week when it started to break? this happened in 2002 and was well published then too.


  • #50
    Nodin
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    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Its quite clear he is advocating paedophillia. That sounds quite similar to the "classical" form hence it is false to say that it was a strictly academical discussion about the Greeks as he advocates such a practice, saying that he himself would enjoy it.

    While he says "younger" its not clear what exact age he was referring to.

    It's generally taken as referring to post adolsecents, thus its not paedophillia.


  • #51
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,796 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    This "classical Greek paedophilia/pederasty’" was fairly restricted to the Athenian upper class (ignoring the Spartans) from what I recall from my classics courses. Being from the Catholic tradition I'd not initially have looked too favouriable on a David Norris presidential candicacy, however lately he did seem to be proposing some interesting doctrines with respect to closer ties with the UK and above all, he is not beholden to a party. So I hope for him this matter can be resolved.


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