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Horror Movies

  • 12-06-2011 01:50PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭


    Does anyone else find horror movies these days just pure shiyte? The last time I was actually scared by a horror movie was when I was about 8 and watched Candy Man :eek: Do horrors stop being scary after your 8 or what?


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,481 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The worst thing is, they give you some pathetic excuse for a main character who you know is going to survive no matter what and a group of one dimensional twats who all die. Every single time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    I'm gonna stay behind the couch until this thread is over, i think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    If you look in the mirror & say 'After Hours' backwards three times, you end up in the Sunshine & Lollipops forum.

    Now that's scary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Anything starring Seth Rogen counts as a horror movie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭cml387


    20260622 wrote: »
    Does anyone else find horror movies these days just pure shiyte? The last time I was actually scared by a horror movie was when I was about 8 and watched Candy Man :eek: Do horrors stop being scary after your 8 or what?

    You obviously never watched Mamma Mia.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭Duff


    Pennywise. That is all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭strokemyclover


    We don't need horror anymore, reality is much scarier.....

    Right now Enda Kenny is in a laboratory somewhere trying to resurrect a new Ireland faithfully assisted by the horribly disfigured Marty Morrissey


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Liked Insidious and Drag Me To Hell, but that was mainly because I thought they were excellent craic, rather than good Horror.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭20260622


    cml387 wrote: »
    You obviously never watched Mamma Mia.

    Horror not horrific :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭EverEvolving


    You obviously haven't seen the scene in Crocodile Dundee where the croc nearly gets the girl.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    AH->Filum
    Grudge is the last scary movie I saw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭ChaseThisLight


    The worst thing is, they give you some pathetic excuse for a main character who you know is going to survive no matter what and a group of one dimensional twats who all die. Every single time.

    That, and the crap actors. I think a lot of times, a horror movie could have potential to be better if they had decent actors in the roles that actually had the talent to make the character any good.

    I agree with OutlawPete about Drag me To Hell...that was the last horror movie I watched that I enjoyed, and it wasn't even a great movie - it was only entertaining and enjoyable. But the last really scary movie I watched would have to be the original Japanese version of The Grudge, and I watched that quite awhile ago (hell, any original version is better/scarier...Ring...Dark Water...One Missed Call...).

    Oh, and I watched Candyman recently...I laughed my way through it; I can't believe I was ever scared of that. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    I don't think they've really changed all that much tbh - I think people tend to look at some of the old ones through rose-tinted glasses at times.

    There's some good stuff out there if you're bothered to look for it (same goes for any genre). Here's a few that spring to mind from the last few years...

    [Rec]
    A Tale of Two Sisters
    Audition
    Drag Me to Hell
    Hostel
    Ichi the Killer
    Inside
    Lost Highway
    Ringu
    The Blair Witch Project
    The House of the Devil
    Trick 'r Treat
    Villmark


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    horror fan eh....you scare the bejesus outta me :(

    Renn wrote: »
    I don't think they've really changed all that much tbh - I think people tend to look at some of the old ones through rose-tinted glasses at times.

    There's some good stuff out there if you're bothered to look for it (same goes for any genre). Here's a few that spring to mind from the last few years...

    [Rec]
    A Tale of Two Sisters
    Audition
    Drag Me to Hell
    Hostel
    Ichi the Killer
    Inside
    Lost Highway
    Ringu
    The Blair Witch Project
    The House of the Devil
    Trick 'r Treat
    Villmark


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭Squelchy


    Renn wrote: »
    I don't think they've really changed all that much tbh - I think people tend to look at some of the old ones through rose-tinted glasses at times.

    There's some good stuff out there if you're bothered to look for it (same goes for any genre). Here's a few that spring to mind from the last few years...

    [Rec]
    A Tale of Two Sisters
    Audition
    Drag Me to Hell
    Hostel
    Ichi the Killer
    Inside
    Lost Highway
    Ringu
    The Blair Witch Project
    The House of the Devil
    Trick 'r Treat
    Villmark

    Add to those Wolf Creek, Pontypool and A Serbian Film. I've not heard of Villmark, so I'll check that out. I didn't like Trick 'r' Treat at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    They do exist, but you have to look further than Hollywood to find them. Some of the original horror movies were good because they had good actors in the lead roles, and when people like Hitchcock were around, they had good scripts too. Now they just churn out any old sh*t and try to get cheap scares, or over do it on the gore for pure shock value.

    If you want something genuinely scary, I'd look in the direction of Japan. Asians do horror better than anyone, and it's never cheap scares. It's all in the atmosphere, acting and actual plots. A lot of the rubbish scary movies from Hollywood, like The Ring, The Grudge, etc. are all taken from Japan, and the originals are so much better. I'd check them out. They're horror movies the way horror should be done.

    If you want a good starting point, I'd go for Audition. Really, really weird film. Gave me the creeps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭charlieharper


    They are few and far between alright.

    I see people mentioning Drag Me To Hell, are ye f*cking serious? That was the biggest pile of sh*te I seen the last 3 years. The most original one I seen recently was Paranormal Activity 1. The problem with these "horror" films lately is having sweaty women in tight tops running frantically from a killer which is just pathetic & keeps MTV fans happy.

    If you want a list of decent horrors the last few years check out:

    The Descent 1 & 2
    The Hills Have Eyes 1 (Not the 2nd)
    Wrong Turn 1,2 & 3
    Texas Chainsaw Massacre Remake & TCM The Beginning


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭ChaseThisLight


    The Wrong Turn movies are, IMO, exactly what was described above - made to keep MTV fans happy, and not even very good ones only saw the first and part of the second when it was on TV). Same goes for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake - in fact, my ex only watched it so he could see Jessica Biel. And I personally didn't find any of them scary either.

    If you want scary, Da Shins Kelly said it: look to the Asians for horror. Not been disappointed by one yet.

    Though, I agree that Wolf Creek and Hostel freaked me out...especially Wolf Creek.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    I don't buy in to this 'one country makes better horrors' thing at all. Good ones from France (Inside, Martyrs, Amer etc), UK (Eden Lake, The Descent etc), America (Lost Highway, Hostel, Blair Witch, House of the Devil, Session 9), Spain ([Rec]...)

    Not just one region bringing out the goods.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    Renn wrote: »
    I don't buy in to this 'one country makes better horrors' thing at all. Good ones from France (Inside, Martyrs, Amer etc), UK (Eden Lake, The Descent etc), America (Lost Highway, Hostel, Blair Witch, House of the Devil, Session 9), Spain ([Rec]...)

    Not just one region bringing out the goods.

    There have been good horror movies from elsewhere. The Descent is a good movie, as is Martyrs from France. The Orphanage from Spain is good horror film too. I don't rate Hostel that much, thought it was another OTT gorey/shock movie.

    However, Asia are way and above everyone else in terms of consistency with horror. America is very hit and miss, UK, France and Spain don't seem to make them as much as anyone else. Asia have made more than their fair share of horrors, and easily out-do everyone else in terms of plots, atmosphere and direction.

    As I said before, Audition is a great example. As is A Tale of Two Sisters, and The House from Thailand was surprisingly creepy too. They seem to use paranoia and psychology more than heart-stopping scares, but it's far more interesting to watch. It leaves you just feeling really creeped out. Asia is not the only continent that can pull off a good horror, but they certainly do it far more often than anyone else.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,445 ✭✭✭Jako8


    A big part of the problem is that the horror genre doesn't seem to be taken that seriously in the big studios. (They's probably take it more seriously if there were horror obsessive stereotypes like there is for fantasy, if they aim for a stereotype they net a lot of people.) They think that what the public wants are cheap scares. I this is probably half the reason why horrors tend to go crazy with the sequels until you have 6 or 7 of them. It's easy for studios to just add another sequel. Follow the basic idea of the first film which brought in tons of money and then wait for the money to roll in again. Saw is a good example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    The average horror film now is pretty crap indeed.
    One of the main problems is that they avoid being too scary to get a bigger audience, but thus removing the point of a horror film.
    One thing I find really annoying because it's so stupid is the fake-out, it's-just-the-cat-jumping fake scare. So cheap. And while it has been around since Cat People in the 40s, directors are overly-reliant on it now, and never back it up with any actual jeopardy. A more recent and inexplicable trend is having what looks like a p-o-v shot looking at the main character from behind, and then they turn around and...nothing's there!! It's cheap, cynical and doesn't make any sense.
    Similar to these issues is the way the soundtrack hammers home a jump scare with a big bang on the soundtrack, even before it happens or when nothing happens at all. Basically, directors are trying to scare viewers, but not too much, and without putting any skill, thought or craft into doing so.
    Another problem I've thought about recently is the over-reliance on making slasher films (because they're incedibly cheap) with unlikeable characters (because of the old cliché that slasher film victims have to be "punished"). It's hard to get scared if you don't care about the victim, so films like this just become about the spectacle of the kills, and not about being scary. Just look at something like Halloween for flawed but still human and sympathetic victims.
    Having said all that, there are a few good horror films out there, even from America, like Insidious, Drag Me to Hell and The House of the Devil, but they're far outnumbered by the generic crap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    The Wrong Turn movies are, IMO, exactly what was described above - made to keep MTV fans happy, and not even very good ones only saw the first and part of the second when it was on TV). Same goes for the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake - in fact, my ex only watched it so he could see Jessica Biel. And I personally didn't find any of them scary either.

    If you want scary, Da Shins Kelly said it: look to the Asians for horror. Not been disappointed by one yet.

    Though, I agree that Wolf Creek and Hostel freaked me out...especially Wolf Creek.

    wolf creek is pure terror in a very real sense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,769 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I don't think I've been genuinely scared by a horro movie since the Ring or 28 Days Later (if you count that as horror)

    Surpriesed no mention of Let the Right One in/ Let me in- probably the most interesting horror movies of the last few years.

    The Asian stories are good but seem to rely too much on the deadly white faced woman under the bed/table for shocks. I found the tale of two sisters slightly overrated, I was more confused by the story than frightened.


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They are few and far between alright.

    I see people mentioning Drag Me To Hell, are ye f*cking serious? That was the biggest pile of sh*te I seen the last 3 years. The most original one I seen recently was Paranormal Activity 1. The problem with these "horror" films lately is having sweaty women in tight tops running frantically from a killer which is just pathetic & keeps MTV fans happy.

    If Paranormal Activity is the most original horror film you have seen in years you really need to watch more horror films. 1972's The Legend of Boggy Creek did the whole found footage a hell of a lot better than PA but alas it's difficult to come by a good quality version of the film. The Last Broadcast is a far superior found footage film, it predates the Blair Witch Project and is one of those great films that slipped under nearly everyones radar.

    I love how you criticise modern horror as being made to keep MTV fans happy when one of the most enjoyable slasher films in recent years are MTV's My Super Psycho films. Full of great deaths and laughs and a cut above most recent horrors.

    The Burrows is a great horror western, an original premise and a film which was not afraid to try something different. There are literally dozens of great horror films released each and every year, but too many people can't be bothered to make the effort to look past the latest big budget PG13 horror.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Most of the films that are mentioned here were not scary, or even good for that matter.

    I liked The Sixth Sense when it came out alright.
    Same goes for Ring (Jap), Blair Witch Project, The Others etc...
    But I was a teenager when I saw them.

    The Asian ones are the closest you'll get to a decent horror movie, but even still..........
    Most of them are just messed up. Visitor Q for instance - Bloody weird!

    Besides that, I guess things like Se7en, Donnie Darko, Source Code, Old Boy, The Butterfly Effect, Moon, Identity etc..
    None of which are even horrors, they just leave you with an eerie messed up feeling.

    Many modern horrors actually have the potential there.
    Paranormal Activity for instance.
    I loved the subtle eeriness throughout, the unknown. And I liked the cinematography.
    But the acting, script, and general storyline was awful.
    Never mind that god awful ending!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Da Shins Kelly


    I don't think I've been genuinely scared by a horro movie since the Ring or 28 Days Later (if you count that as horror)

    Surpriesed no mention of Let the Right One in/ Let me in- probably the most interesting horror movies of the last few years.

    The Asian stories are good but seem to rely too much on the deadly white faced woman under the bed/table for shocks. I found the tale of two sisters slightly overrated, I was more confused by the story than frightened.

    Let The Right One In is an excellent movie, and a very character driven story. The two children are fantastic in the lead roles. I can't believe I completely forgot about that, actually. It's a wonderful movie. 28 Days Later is also great.

    Yes, Asian movies to seem to have a lot of the ghost women, but apparently that's all rooted in Asian mythology, which is what is so interesting about Asian horror. So many of the stories come from genuine paranormal beliefs in Asia, or old spook stories and folklore. And with a lot of Asian horrors, it often turns out in the end that all this ghostly stuff is not really what it seemed. That's what makes them scarier. It's all psychological.
    The Asian ones are the closest you'll get to a decent horror movie, but even still..........
    Most of them are just messed up. Visitor Q for instance - Bloody weird!

    Many modern horrors actually have the potential there.
    Paranormal Activity for instance.
    I loved the subtle eeriness throughout, the unknown. And I liked the cinematography.
    But the acting, script, and general storyline was awful.
    Never mind that god awful ending!

    The weirdness is was makes them so good! The plots from Asia would never be found in America. Hollywood just take stories from Asian horrors, and tweak them slightly to make them more accessible to American audiences - i.e the protagonist is changed to a sex-crazed teenager, cheap scares in place of lingering eerie shots, over acting in place of subtly, a serious lack of any real creepy atmosphere. This is what makes Asian horror good. The atmosphere, the paranoia, the feeling of being unsettled right from the beginning. And I think they're made better by the fact that it's all set in a different culture, one that's completely alien to most Westerners. There's a sense of unfamiliarity about them, which adds to the weirdness.

    As for Paranormal Activity, the only way anyone could be scared by that is if they genuinely think ghosts are real.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    Yes, Asian movies to seem to have a lot of the ghost women, but apparently that's all rooted in Asian mythology, which is what is so interesting about Asian horror. So many of the stories come from genuine paranormal beliefs in Asia, or old spook stories and folklore. And with a lot of Asian horrors, it often turns out in the end that all this ghostly stuff is not really what it seemed. That's what makes them scarier. It's all psychological.


    The weirdness is was makes them so good! The plots from Asia would never be found in America. Hollywood just take stories from Asian horrors, and tweak them slightly to make them more accessible to American audiences - i.e the protagonist is changed to a sex-crazed teenager, cheap scares in place of lingering eerie shots, over acting in place of subtly, a serious lack of any real creepy atmosphere. This is what makes Asian horror good. The atmosphere, the paranoia, the feeling of being unsettled right from the beginning. And I think they're made better by the fact that it's all set in a different culture, one that's completely alien to most Westerners. There's a sense of unfamiliarity about them, which adds to the weirdness.

    As for Paranormal Activity, the only way anyone could be scared by that is if they genuinely think ghosts are real.


    Oh, I didn't mean to imply that the quirky Asian movies weren't good.
    I love weird movies!

    I think I must have also not made my point regarding Paranormal Activity very clear.

    I meant that I liked the way the film was done.
    No blood and gore, no 'jumpy' parts queued by music and so on.

    The reason that I think I don't find any horrors actually scary is the reason you just gave - I don't believe there are demons, zombies, weird random creatures etc...

    But any of the horror movies I have seen may actually have been at least somewhat decent if they didn't tell the audience how to feel, if they didn't put gore in just for the sake of it, and if they didn't try to show the big scary creature that is just a man in bad make up.
    If they used more subtle methods than the same unoriginal system that I can only describe as porn with blood.

    Someone who posted already hit the nail on the head I think, when they said that Hollywood don't seem to take horror seriously.
    They just don't seem to even try at all.

    The older movies, the independent movies, and foreign language movies at least try to create something to be proud of, instead of being just in it for the money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭Renn


    Don't forget that we're exposed to nearly everything that comes from America and typically just the well received films coming out of Asia. They do make some bad ones over there too - it's just that we don't really see those ones.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭ap1986


    i honestly thought paranormal activity would be in here


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