Gardai acquitted....

hatrickpatrick · 29-07-2011 07:47PM

Liamario wrote: »

I'm not saying he deserved it. I'm saying there's no smoke without fire. Things like that don't happen to your average joe soap.

It doesn't matter who they happen to. The act itself is wrong AND illegal. The victim's identity is completely irrelevant.

7Sins · 29-07-2011 07:48PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If we must allow this (which I find utterly disgusting) then it must be in a court of law, not because a few Gards say someone did something and are automatically believed. The police force should NEVER be the judge OR the executioner.

Yea but sure the Gardai were innocent and it never happened. I'll change my "he deserved it" to "he deserves it"....I wait

I agree, but I think we should at least bring back hard labour and daily whippings in our prisons

Einhard · 29-07-2011 07:51PM

Liamario wrote: »

I'm not saying he deserved it. I'm saying there's no smoke without fire. Things like that don't happen to your average joe soap.

The irony lies in the fact that you laud due process for the Gardai involved, and in the next sentence scoff at the notion for the alleged victim.

Einhard · 29-07-2011 07:52PM

7Sins wrote: »

I agree, but I think we should at least bring back hard labour and daily whippings in our prisons

Do you get your jollies from the thought of pain being inflicted on other people??

7Sins · 29-07-2011 07:54PM

Einhard wrote: »

Do you get your jollies from the thought of pain being inflicted on other people??

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time :cool:

but to answer your question, yes.

Liamario · 29-07-2011 07:54PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It doesn't matter who they happen to. The act itself is wrong AND illegal. The victim's identity is completely irrelevant.

The act didn't take place though did it :pac:

J K · 29-07-2011 07:55PM

usernamegoes wrote: »

the Garda shouldn't just be allowed turn up in force and take turns beating someone in bed.

I hope you got the names of a few good lawyers while you were occupying your time each day at this court case. You might need them.

usernamegoes · 29-07-2011 07:57PM

Liamario wrote: »

I'm not saying he deserved it. I'm saying there's no smoke without fire. Things like that don't happen to your average joe soap.

There is no denying this guy was an little fecker, he had like 30 convictions, and in my view should have been in prison for a long time. But as has been said if we allow this to happen then we have no laws to hide behind.

There are situations that this could happen to Joe Soap I can think of a load right now.

usernamegoes · 29-07-2011 07:59PM

J K wrote: »

I hope you got the names of a few good lawyers while you were occupying your time each day at this court case. You might need them.

Care to elaborate? I do know many lawyers actually.

sonic85 · 29-07-2011 08:06PM

if anybody commits heinous crime of any description - murder rape violent assault etc then they deserve every fcuking thing they get. this tool had 27 previous convictions including one for assaulting a garda whose jaw was broken. hes a flipping scumbag pure and simple.

Einhard · 29-07-2011 08:06PM

7Sins wrote: »

but to answer your question, yes.

Kinky bastard.

Show Time · 29-07-2011 08:08PM

No surprise with that call.

wicklowstevo · 29-07-2011 08:08PM

apparently the night before this incident , he attacked the female garda while she was off duty beat her up and ran away, nice fella aint he

Einhard · 29-07-2011 08:09PM

sonic85 wrote: »

if anybody commits heinous crime of any description - murder rape violent assault etc then they deserve every fcuking thing they get.

Unless they happen to be a Garda...

Monty Burnz · 29-07-2011 08:10PM

To be honest, I'm all in favour of scumbags being attacked in their beds by armed police.

Sunnyisland · 29-07-2011 08:13PM

Monty Burns wrote: »

To be honest, I'm all in favour of scumbags being attacked in their beds by armed police.

Define a scumbag for me thanks.

usernamegoes · 29-07-2011 08:13PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

To be honest, I'm all in favour of scumbags being attacked in their beds by armed police.

To be honest, I wish they were locked up somewhere so that they couldn't commit crimes anymore. No point going over beating them up, not arresting them and then letting them go about commiting more crimes.

archer22 · 29-07-2011 08:13PM

sonic85 wrote: »

if anybody commits heinous crime of any description - murder rape violent assault etc then they deserve every fcuking thing they get. this tool had 27 previous convictions including one for assaulting a garda whose jaw was broken. hes a flipping scumbag pure and simple.

Aaah jeez that explains it,and there was I thinking it was the Gardai that were on trial this time....oops sorry.

sonic85 · 29-07-2011 08:16PM

Einhard wrote: »

Unless they happen to be a Garda...

he started it and the gardai finished it. its not hard to keep your head down and keep out of trouble but some people are scum through and through and have no problem breaking the law and making other peoples lives hell while doing so. more power to the gardai i say fight fire with fire.

archer22 · 29-07-2011 08:17PM

realies wrote: »

Define a scumbag for me thanks.

Somebody who breaks into someones house and attacks them in their bed...am I right

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Einhard · 29-07-2011 08:18PM

sonic85 wrote: »

he started it and the gardai finished it. its not hard to keep your head down and keep out of trouble but some people are scum through and through and have no problem breaking the law and making other peoples lives hell while doing so. more power to the gardai i say fight fire with fire.

So you think it's ok for the Gardai to break the laws they're sworn to uphold so? Just want to be sure I'm understanding your correctly, and that you really do believe that the law applies only to some people...

JEINKINS12 · 29-07-2011 08:21PM

Einhard wrote: »

So you think it's ok for the Gardai to break the laws they're sworn to uphold so? Just want to be sure I'm understanding your correctly, and that you really do believe that the law applies only to some people...

What law did they break, they are innocent until proven guilty, they wern't proven guilty, so they are innocent. That piece of law applies to all people, Gardaí included

Muckie · 29-07-2011 08:24PM

They are the Law

Sunnyisland · 29-07-2011 08:24PM

sonic85 wrote: »

he started it and the gardai finished it. its not hard to keep your head down and keep out of trouble but some people are scum through and through and have no problem breaking the law and making other peoples lives hell while doing so. more power to the gardai i say fight fire with fire.

One of the gardai jobs is to uphold the rule of law, not break it, If we were to go by your analogy then we don't need garda, we can just hand out street justice to all we think deserve it. make interesting times.

usernamegoes · 29-07-2011 08:24PM

JEINKINS12 wrote: »

What law did they break, they are innocent until proven guilty, they wern't proven guilty, so they are innocent. That piece of law applies to all people, Gardaí included

I think you are missing the point that he was responding to a position that someone felt that in a situation were what was alleged to have occurred in this case did in fact happen then it should be okay, not necessarily that of those in this case.

Toby Take a Bow · 29-07-2011 08:25PM

JEINKINS12 wrote: »

What law did they break, they are innocent until proven guilty, they wern't proven guilty, so they are innocent. That piece of law applies to all people, Gardaí included

There can still be miscarriages of justice. A jury can be intimidated, can be mislead by a judge, can be just plain wrong.

It'll be interesting to read about this when the newspapers go to town on it. Which I presume will start tomorrow morning.

wicklowstevo · 29-07-2011 08:25PM

isnt this the second time this trial was held ? so these four gardai have been tried twice and found not guilty,mabey they didnt do anything wrong ,unless some one who was there comes on here and gives the facts you will never know , and theres no point saying that gaffneys told the truth because they were both caught lying a few times , why was the first trial thrown out again ?? didnt he lie?
the talk from the violence is wrong no matter what gang, well thats not realistic is it?, this guy was and still is a violent criminal he does not respond to polite conversation, legaly you can enter a house if invited of if going to attempt to arrest some one for some things, obviously thats what the jury thought, as for crying jurys , seen it loads of times in cases varying from assaults to roadtraffic to sexual cases, remmber the jury pool that was used in this case was drawn from the north inner city, unlikley to be many garda lovers , more likley people sick and tired of criminals behaving as they want without reproach?

sonic85 · 29-07-2011 08:27PM

Einhard wrote: »

So you think it's ok for the Gardai to break the laws they're sworn to uphold so? Just want to be sure I'm understanding your correctly, and that you really do believe that the law applies only to some people...

i have absolutely no problem with the gardai using rough tactics when dealing with known criminals. like ive said already this person has a pretty long list of convictions and the gardai gave him a taste of his own medicine so whats the problem.

Einhard · 29-07-2011 08:28PM

JEINKINS12 wrote: »

What law did they break, they are innocent until proven guilty, they wern't proven guilty, so they are innocent. That piece of law applies to all people, Gardaí included

You're right there, and even though I think the jury's decision was questionable, the Gardai involved are innocent of all charges.

My contention wasn't about this specific case, but sonic's view that the Garda should be allowed to batter scumbags as they see fit.

JEINKINS12 · 29-07-2011 08:30PM

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

There can still be miscarriages of justice. A jury can be intimidated, can be mislead by a judge, can be just plain wrong.

It'll be interesting to read about this when the newspapers go to town on it. Which I presume will start tomorrow morning.

The conspiracy theory starts here, the jury were nobbled (any evidence of this?), the judge mislead them (again any evidence?) Jury can be plain wrong, and who gets to decide on that?

Ahhh the newspaers, that bastion of impartial justice (phone hacking etc etc), the day the media get put in charge of despensing justice.....

Gardai acquitted....

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