An overtaking technicality

johnners2981 · 22-08-2011 02:02PM

Gophur wrote: »

You would make a very poor detective!

You, obviously, , need to resit your test as you have absolutely no comprehension of what "maintaining progress" is all about!

You have absolutely no idea about me whatsoever, so to come out with such a statement is ridiculous. I would make a great detective

And I don't think I will resit my test there's no need contrary to your belief system, I was the best driver the examiner ever saw.

I'm guessing maintaining progress would not include doing 60/70 kph in a 100 kph zone or would you kindly explain it to me, please don't use LMGTFY though

Boskowski · 22-08-2011 02:04PM

I would however suggest that not necessarily in all conditions it would be possible for you to see for how long a broken white lines continues whiel all the while you may well be able to see whether there's any cars coming up or not. Especially at night.

Broken lines may temporarily turn into solid ones for any number of reasons and if I'm behind a car and I can see for a reasonable distance the broken line is just that there may well be circumstances where I cannot garantee that it will still be broken when I'm done overtaking.

I'd feel a little hard done by, what does ROTR say?

Gophur · 22-08-2011 02:15PM

johnners2981 wrote: »

You have absolutely no idea about me whatsoever, so to come out with such a statement is ridiculous. I would make a great detective

And I don't think I will resit my test there's no need contrary to your belief system, I was the best driver the examiner ever saw.

I'm guessing maintaining progress would not include doing 60/70 kph in a 100 kph zone or would you kindly explain it to me, please don't use LMGTFY though

I have no interest in explaining anything to you, given the obvious failure of all others to date!

Matt Simis · 22-08-2011 02:31PM

Nissan doctor wrote: »

You can't know the road that well if you didn't where the overtaking spots were.

As above, there will have been a reason for the solid line at that point, dip in the road, junction, entrance of some sort maybe.

As for the garda giving you a hard time....these are the people who have to see people mangled in cars and call to families houses with bad news after accidents don't forget.

All I have to contribute to this thread is that on my long commute there are dashed lines outside peoples houses, farm entrances, dips, bends in the road and solid lines on empty straights, clear areas and segments between turns.

I do not on any level believe they represent anything. There are solid lines that turn into dashed lines as the paint roller ran dry. There are lines heading into the ditch as the roller machine deviated from its course.

Maybe in other counties they mean something, but dont expand that on a national level.

johnners2981 · 22-08-2011 02:33PM

Gophur wrote: »

I have no interest in explaining anything to you, given the obvious failure of all others to date!

Good so we're both happy.

Best of luck in passing your driving test in the future, it might make you less sour online when you have your nice pink license

Absurdum · 22-08-2011 02:40PM

What do you make of this section of road?
Link

Continuous or broken? :pac:

JerCotter7 · 22-08-2011 02:52PM

ur mentor wrote: »

Slightly off post..
a friend of mine drove across the street, and in doing so crossed a solid white line, to get into a nice big empty parking space outside a shop.. it was raining..not much traffic at all at it was late evening... She was awarded with points for crossing line and then when she crossed it again to get back onto the 'right' side of road, she was awarded more bonus points. A solid line is a solid line.

No way that story is real.

Henry Ford III · 22-08-2011 02:52PM

Absurdum wrote: »

What do you make of this section of road?
Link

Continuous or broken? :pac:

Continuous.

markpb · 22-08-2011 02:59PM

JerCotter7 wrote: »

No way that story is real.

It sounds to me like the OPs friend crossed a continuous white line, drove against oncoming traffic on the wrong side of the road to park (on the side of the road). On the way out, she drove against oncoming traffic to cross the line again and get back to the right side of the road. This maneuver might be done all the time in Ireland but it's still downright stupid.

Boskowski · 22-08-2011 03:28PM

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/traffic-signs-road-markings/road-markings.html

Now, thats that sorted, right? If the line is broken your good. Period.

No obligation from what I can see to ensure it still is by the time you're done if you're overtaking correctly (safe to do so) and with no delay. Most of the time that would probably mean you're back in your lane while the line is still broken, but not necessarily so, 'cos surely if that was the case it would get a special mention.

One special thing is the double broken line from what I can see, but thats about it.

johnners2981 · 22-08-2011 03:59PM

Boskowski wrote: »

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/traffic-signs-road-markings/road-markings.html

Now, thats that sorted, right? If the line is broken your good. Period.

No obligation from what I can see to ensure it still is by the time you're done if you're overtaking correctly (safe to do so) and with no delay. Most of the time that would probably mean you're back in your lane while the line is still broken, but not necessarily so, 'cos surely if that was the case it would get a special mention.

One special thing is the double broken line from what I can see, but thats about it.

I'm guessing safe to do so means you're back in your lane while the line is still broken, if its a continuous line then it wasn't safe to do so.

Sorry but I doubt you'll get away with it, it's not worth the risk of getting 4 penalty points anyway

Zubeneschamali · 22-08-2011 04:03PM

All traffic must keep to the left of the line (except in an emergency or for access).

The way I read that is that it's an offence to be to the right of the line, unless it's an emergency or for access.

It doesn't matter how you got there, whether you're overtaking, or whether the line was dashed when you crossed it. If the line is solid, you must be to the left.

dr.fuzzenstein · 22-08-2011 07:28PM

OK, that's it, I'm going there and I don't care.

(more of those than cars in this thread)

mount:
Yes OP, you're not meant to cross a white line.
Don't you know that once you are on one side of one such line, you must stay there no matter what.
In your case you should have stayed on the right hand side of the road until the line became broken again and then crossed back, problem solved, no crossing of said naughty line.
Don't you know that the rules are more important than people?
Indeed, we are there to serve the rules, not the other way round.
If another car had come in the opposite direction, you would both have to stop and one of you would have to reverse till the line became broken.
Failing that, you can always have a fatal crash with an oncoming car, that is ok, since it is not an offence as such to have a crash and is therefore preferable to crossing a white line!
Hope this helps OP!
NOW DROP AND GIVE ME 20!!!!!!!!!!!:D

-Chris- · 22-08-2011 07:35PM

This thread is now officially stupid.

If anyone actually has the answer to the OP's question and can provide a link to the SI, please PM a mod and we'll reopen the thread.

-Chris- · 23-08-2011 06:57AM

sflandango wrote: »

Hello all, I have a question about overtaking. What happens if you begin to overtake on a broken white line but come back onto your side of the road on a solid white line. Are you deemed to have broken the law? That is to say that you are overtaking and as you are on the move the white line becomes solid before you cross back to your own side of the road.

Thread reopened as CiniO and Tragedy have researched the SI, and sflandango has more to add.

This thread is for discussion of the above query. If you're not answering this query directly, don't post in this thread.

Zubeneschamali · 23-08-2011 07:51AM

My post above quotes the RotR, so here's the Road Traffic Act 1964:

Continuous white line

9. An authorised continuous white line along the centre of a roadway shall indicate that traffic must drive to the left of the line, and when on a stretch of roadway on which such a line has been provided a driver shall, save for the purpose of entering or leaving land or premises adjoining the right hand side of that roadway, drive to the left of the line.

Again, there is no mention of it being an offense to cross the line. The offense is driving on the right of the line.

My interpretation is that it's an offense to drive on the right, even if you got there by starting an overtaking move on a dashed line.

Gophur · 23-08-2011 08:27AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My post above quotes the RotR, so here's the Road Traffic Act 1964:

Continuous white line

9. An authorised continuous white line along the centre of a roadway shall indicate that traffic must drive to the left of the line, and when on a stretch of roadway on which such a line has been provided a driver shall, save for the purpose of entering or leaving land or premises adjoining the right hand side of that roadway, drive to the left of the line.

Again, there is no mention of it being an offense to cross the line. The offense is driving on the right of the line.

My interpretation is that it's an offense to drive on the right, even if you got there by starting an overtaking move on a dashed line.

http://penaltypoints.ie/Documents/Licensed%20Drivers/Penalty%20Points%20Chart.pdf
states the following

OFFENCES INCURRING PENALTY
POINTS

Crossing continuous white line 2 points 4(if contested and convicted in Court)

Henry Ford III · 23-08-2011 08:33AM

Little benefit in splitting hairs in definitions. We all know you shouldn't cross a solid white line, nor drive on the right of one.

sflandango · 23-08-2011 11:50AM

Gophur wrote: »

You show a frightening lack of maturity, TBH.

1. The speed limit is not a target. If other road users feel comfortable driving at 80kph then that is their right.

2. Regardless of where you started your manoeuvre, it is a penalty point offence to cross a continuous while line, which you did. You have admitted crossing the continuous line as you pulled back in.

Be a man. Take your punishment and accept that. maybe, you are not always right?

Well Gophur I have not admitted crossing a white line. I said "The Garda reckons I passed her on a continuous white line". And yes it is anybodies right to drive at 80km/h but equally, it is my right to overtake them if it is safe to do so. I said that I knew it was a long straight and that there were no headlights ahead. I also said that I started to overtake on a broken white line.

I went to the spot where it happened in the daylight to discover that it is broken white line all the way. In fact there is a broken white line from 100m before where I started overtaking to 1300m after where I started. I just think that the Garda in question didnt really like the way I was driving and she is having a little power trip. But this offends me greatly. I did not like the way she was driving so I overtook her which I was well within my rights and the bounds of the law to do.

As luck would have it, The driver of the car that was behind her is a friend of the family and drove past me after I had been pulled in. They rang me yesterday to ask why I was pulled in. I told them the craic and they couldnt believe the story and agree with me completely as regards the circumstances of the maneuver, as does their passenger.

Ill say no more on the issue, nor will I post a link to google maps as it looks like there is going to be a court case.

Thanks a million to anyone who offered me advice here.<snip stupid rant>

Henry Ford III · 23-08-2011 12:03PM

So OP you overtook an off duty Garda who was doing 80kph, on a continuous broken line, and the Garda rang ahead to get you stopped.

Frankly that's very difficult to believe.

It BeeMee · 23-08-2011 12:04PM

In an ideal world, these "do not overtake" signs would be erected at the start of a continuous white lines. This would give a driver a view of what distance is available to complete the manoeuvre.

Some county councils seem to be better at this than others.

-Chris- · 23-08-2011 12:38PM

sflandango wrote: »

Ill say no more on the issue, nor will I post a link to google maps as it looks like there is going to be a court case.

I'm re-locking this thread because it may go legal, and because the OP has said they'll provide no more information on it.
I believe the question's been answered.

@sflandango - I've snipped your stupid rant too. I reopened the thread because you said you had additional information to add to it. I was not an opportunity to have the last word or to take people to task.
Please don't do that again.

An overtaking technicality

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