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Saorview Aerial for Monaghan

  • 22-09-2011 05:20PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭


    hello folks, am i right in thinking its the green tipped uhf aerial i need for co monaghan, im close to monaghan town


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Yes, a group C/D aerial is right for the Monaghan transmitter & also for Clermont Carn if your view of Monaghan is obstructed.

    For either transmitter, you might need something better than the basic 10-element type & Clermont won't achieve full coverage for another year or so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Yes, a group C/D aerial is right for the Monaghan transmitter & also for Clermont Carn if your view of Monaghan is obstructed.

    For either transmitter, you might need something better than the basic 10-element type & Clermont won't achieve full coverage for another year or so.

    thanks for the info peter, could you recommend a good uhf aerial for soarview in my area


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Hard to be specific without knowing the signal conditions at your location. Is this the 1st time a terrestrial aerial has been used there? If not, what channels did you have previously?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    i have another aerial which receives ukfreeview its above the old vhf aerial that i want to replace with an aerial for saorview, i just tried something thy other day, i moved the freeview aerial around to the same direction as the vhf aerial was point, i thought to myself im gonna have a great rte signal now, but it didnt seem to pick it up at all, ive an mpeg4 tv tuner card in my pc. i did a rescan thinking it would pick up soarview but no go. i am missing certain freeview channels, itv, itv2 channel4 and a couple of others as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    whats your location i live just outside town on a slightly elevated site, im using a 52 element for monaghan an overkill i know but it was originally going to cairn hill, also depending on location sligo roars in, you have a few options depending on were you are


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Surfn wrote: »
    i moved the freeview aerial around to the same direction as the vhf aerial was point, i thought to myself im gonna have a great rte signal now, but it didnt seem to pick it up at all

    The 'Freeview' aerial is more than likely group A, so no good for higher frequencies.

    The fact you have a VHF aerial indicates that you're already receiving from the Monaghan site but, certainly the UHF analogue coverage isn't anywhere near as good, so no point in using VHF reception quality as a guide to Saorview reception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Surfn wrote: »
    i just tried something thy other day, i moved the freeview aerial around to the same direction as the vhf aerial was point, i thought to myself im gonna have a great rte signal now, but it didnt seem to pick it up at all, ive an mpeg4 tv tuner card in my pc. i did a rescan thinking it would pick up soarview but no go. i am missing certain freeview channels, itv, itv2 channel4 and a couple of others as well

    Use the Saorview coverage checker to get the best transmitter recommendation for your location.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    The coverage checker doesn't take local obstructions such as trees (plenty of those in Monaghan) & buildings into account, I suspect the OP has already looked at it anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,978 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    The coverage checker doesn't take local obstructions such as trees (plenty of those in Monaghan) & buildings into account,

    As the disclaimer says on the site
    Coverage

    • Coverage shown is based on a rooftop aerial in good condition (indoor reception may be possible in areas with very good signal strength).
    • Coverage shown is indicative only.
    • Local environment (hills, forestry, trees, buildings, and other large obstructions) will cause coverage to vary.
    • RTÉNL recommends consultation with a local competent aerial installer to confirm coverage in your area.

    http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/coverage-checker/
    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    I suspect the OP has already looked at it anyway.

    The obvious is often missed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    The Cush wrote: »
    The obvious is often missed.

    Indeed, I usually point enquiries towards the coverage checker but in this case, I thought some local knowledge might come in handy. :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    judging by the way my vhf aerial is pointing to receive anolgue rte, its seams to be cairn hill, i used to the ruler on google earth and cairn hill and the corcaghan transmitter are almost in the same line to where i live. i dont mind getting a 52 element c/d aerial if this will help get a better signal in my area. the coverage checker says its on air in my area


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    No VHF tv broadcast from Cairn Hill & certainly in northern parts of Co. Monaghan a fairly high gain aerial is necessary for half-decent analogue TG4 from the mast near Corcaghan.

    I don't currently have any digital terrestrial myself, an old Freeview box was until recently showing a reasonable Saorview signal level with a 10-element wideband aerial & I'm about 7 miles to the north of Monaghan. TG4 analogue with the same aerial needs a masthead amp. to make it watchable. I'll eventually get around to fitting an 18-element group c/d aerial, one of these


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    never thought much of those antennas but the specs arent bad, a triax 52 c/d offers around 3db more forward and front to back gain, which is roughly only 1 s point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    No VHF tv broadcast from Cairn Hill & certainly in northern parts of Co. Monaghan a fairly high gain aerial is necessary for half-decent analogue TG4 from the mast near Corcaghan.

    I don't currently have any digital terrestrial myself, an old Freeview box was until recently showing a reasonable Saorview signal level with a 10-element wideband aerial & I'm about 7 miles to the north of Monaghan. TG4 analogue with the same aerial needs a masthead amp. to make it watchable. I'll eventually get around to fitting an 18-element group c/d aerial, one of these

    ok thanks for the info there, im just trying to get an understanding for this, was the the transmitter close to corcaghan there before saorview was introduced, i mean, does it broadcast analogue. the signal im getting at the moment on rte1 and 2 is good via the vhf aerial, tv3 and tg4 are unwatchable.so basically i should getting my new uhf c/d aerial and point it in the same direction as the vhf aerial


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    The Monaghan transmitter has RTE1 & 2 on VHF channels D & F (these are ROI-only channel designations).

    TG4 is on UHF channel 64 & there's no TV3. I'm not sure if Unix 52 group C/D aerials are available, only group A, B & wideband (referred to as C/D-W).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    they can be got from Jim Toner aerial and satellite supplies Keady, he has the lot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭deaglan169


    thats the antenna alright will work fine for you, its out of stock however;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    deaglan169 wrote: »
    thats the antenna alright will work fine for you, its out of stock however;)
    i will have to check around a few sites to see where else i can get 1 from


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭exaisle


    Id be more inclined to have a look at Cairn Hill on Group B....IIRC its the most powerful transmitter in Ireland and at a lower frequency than Monaghan....even at that distance you might get a more stable signal. Also, maybe try some kind of wideband antenna for starters (colour king/raster) and see what frequencies you're receiving signal on without any amplification..then take it from there...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Surfn wrote: »
    i will have to check around a few sites to see where else i can get 1 from

    Take a look here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    exaisle wrote: »
    Id be more inclined to have a look at Cairn Hill on Group B....IIRC its the most powerful transmitter in Ireland and at a lower frequency than Monaghan....even at that distance you might get a more stable signal. Also, maybe try some kind of wideband antenna for starters (colour king/raster) and see what frequencies you're receiving signal on without any amplification..then take it from there...

    will a group c/d-w aerial pick up from cairn hill and at the same time it will be optimised for group c/d aka the monaghan transmitter, i think the c/d-w might be the safest bet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭exaisle


    A wideband antenna will pick up from Cairn Hill. A group B would be better but if you use a small wideband, you should be able to judge from the analog signal received.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    I don't think there's a lot of point bringing Cairn Hill into the equation. If the OP was in an area that had decent CH reception, they'd more than likely already be receiving all 4 analogue channels from there on UHF, rather than the VHF/UHF combo needed for Monaghan for only 3 channels.

    If they are already using the Monaghan tx, it's highly unlikely that reception from CH is any better than Monaghan UHF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭Smcgie


    Hello all.

    I'm living in Monaghan and have recently bought a tv with freeview built in and saoirview approved. But I have no ariel on the house.

    What exactly is the best method in setting up getting the uk channels (can be done because my cousin lives in the same area and has the freeview) and the RTE & saoirview channels?

    bit green on all of this.

    Thanks


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Without an idea of signal conditions at your specific location, there's not a lot of point in trying to recommend anything. Basically, there's a choice of 2 transmitters for Freeview & at least 3 for Saorview & it's anyone's guess which is best for you.

    Unless you're willing to experiment a bit, you'd be better off getting in a pro.

    Add to all this the fact that the Freeview signal will get a big increase in about a year from now & you're faced with the fact that what could require a high-gain, expensive system now (if it works at all) could probably be accomplished with something fairly basic after switchover.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    i got this aerial and it pulls in a great signal and i wouldnt be in the best of reception areas, i use it with the ariva 120 combo box. i thought id be smart and put it in the attic, that was a no go. as soon as i tried it outside, worked great so i mounted it on the gable of the house. great aerial http://www.vanjak.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29936


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Surfn wrote: »
    i got this aerial and it pulls in a great signal and i wouldnt be in the best of reception areas, i use it with the ariva 120 combo box. i thought id be smart and put it in the attic, that was a no go. as soon as i tried it outside, worked great so i mounted it on the gable of the house. great aerial http://www.vanjak.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29936
    Is that for receiving Monaghan? How far are you from the RTE site near Newbliss?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    Is that for receiving Monaghan? How far are you from the RTE site near Newbliss?

    as the crow flys im about 8km from the monaghan transmitter, im in a very low lying area. the reception with the aerial is good, even when i had it mounted at standing height just to check it out


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Surfn wrote: »
    i wouldnt be in the best of reception areas
    Surfn wrote: »
    . . . the reception with the aerial is good, even when i had it mounted at standing height just to check it out

    That would suggest that you are in a good reception area. Attic reception will only work if the signal can penetrate the building structure, metallic objects or water tanks will stop it dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭Surfn


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    That would suggest that you are in a good reception area. Attic reception will only work if the signal can penetrate the building structure, metallic objects or water tanks will stop it dead.

    yeh i wanted the aerial in the attic, so i never tried it anywhere other than the attic at the start and that was a complete no go, i thought to myself they had sent me the wrong aerial group. as soon as i took it outside bingo, great reception.im glad its mounted outside now, as will be a much better job


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