GP's advice to lose weight.

meitina · 12-10-2011 04:16PM #1

I was in today my doctor's,for weight - in .I have been trying to lose weight since April.I'm on weight loss tablets.So far I lost 10 kg .Now for the last month I'm 2 kg back.
Now I got orders to lose 8 kg in next month by simple diet of cutting out-
*Bread
*Pasta
*Rice
*Potatoe
The question is first of all 2kg a week-isnt a bit too much?
Secondly NO CARBS????:rolleyes:

Frogdog · 12-10-2011 06:00PM

2kg is a lot.........to me, as I wouldn't have it to lose. OP, can we get some of your stats? Sex, age, weight, height etc.

As for cutting out those foods, you shouldn't be eating much of them anyway, in my opinion. You should be getting your carbs from lots of different types of veg primarily, and then fruit.

What's your typical daily diet like?

Mars Bar · 12-10-2011 06:03PM

meitina wrote: »

I was in today my doctor's,for weight - in .I have been trying to lose weight since April.I'm on weight loss tablets.So far I lost 10 kg .Now for the last month I'm 2 kg back.
Now I got orders to lose 8 kg in next month by simple diet of cutting out-
*Bread
*Pasta
*Rice
*Potatoe
The question is first of all 2kg a week-isnt a bit too much?
Secondly NO CARBS????:rolleyes:

That's exactly what I changed in my diet and cut out fizzy drinks, sweets and chocolate. As Frogdog said, you shouldn't be eating much of it anyway.

2kg a week does seem a lot to lose though unless you really have it to lose.

meitina · 12-10-2011 07:22PM

Well,I have loads to lose-100 kg at the moment.1.60 cm .Age 37.
So about 40 kg to go.
I'm very skeptic of the 2kg a week.As I feel its not dropping like Im 20yo.:mad:
In the space of 6 years i have been down to 80 kg twice.with hard work of diet and exercise.But then Im regaining all and more.
I do over eat,and i do emotional eating.Now even if i manage to lose the 8 kg this month ,i am not sure that i can stick to no carbs diet.and more likely be stuffing them next moment when i dont care.
I dont know how to do this...

The Big Red Button · 12-10-2011 07:29PM

meitina wrote: »

Now even if i manage to lose the 8 kg this month ,i am not sure that i can stick to no carbs diet.and more likely be stuffing them next moment when i dont care.
I dont know how to do this...

Did he really tell you to stick to a no carb diet? No veggies or anything? Hmmm ...

On a practical note, quinoa is a great healthy substitute for pasta, rice, etc.

And actually that diet seems a hell of a lot healthier than the "food pyramid" diet that a lot of doctors suggest!

meitina · 12-10-2011 07:38PM

No,no she said about the carbs from veggies etc.But she didnt want me to have not even a crisp bread or brown rice.
thats way I am shocked.Always tried to cut down on potatoes,rice and switch bread to crisp breads.Never really gone without:(

Frogdog · 12-10-2011 09:42PM

I think your doctor is advocating something similar to the Paleo Diet. I'd follow something like it. There's a lot of sound principles surrounding it. Google it and pick up some books on it. Educate yourself first and foremost, then weigh up the pros and cons.

If your doctor is advocating the Paleo Diet, my faith in the medical profession in this country is not lost!

meitina · 13-10-2011 07:21AM

Ok,Frogdog.Did a little look in to that diet.The basic idea i think is great.
Had a long think last night ,I'd say even in my sleep:D
After reading few things,I'd say I cud make a plan .
I substitute potatoes with some starchy veg like parsnip and i still have my mash.
eat more meat,fish.
Any suggestions ?

Scanlas The 2nd · 13-10-2011 07:30AM

I cut out those foods myself except I might have a baked potato once or twice a week, and I have NEVER felt better. You can get carbs from sweet potatoes and lots of veg. If the veg is too bland steam it mash it up and mix in some butter. I find carrots and broccolli mashed up together very tasty with butter.

corkcomp · 13-10-2011 07:49AM

I see where the GP is coming from but re bread and pasta but maybe try switching to whole grain and cutting back and replacing with vegetables, lean meat and fish. A lot of GP's are obsessed with the scales and don't look at the wider picture (i.e. body fat and muscle mass) on the other hand fair play to him / her for pointing it out as a lot of doctors wouldn't bother

MrFrisp · 13-10-2011 08:05AM

mars bar wrote: »

That's exactly what I changed in my diet and cut out fizzy drinks, sweets and chocolate. As Frogdog said, you shouldn't be eating much of it anyway.

2kg a week does seem a lot to lose though unless you really have it to lose.

Ah now,,Mars bar....

Your forgetting the most important part....

You cut out all the sweets,fizzy drinks,and chocolate...Now,,let Us know what the result of that was..How long the results took to show...etc..:D

.

MrFrisp · 13-10-2011 08:10AM

meitina wrote: »

Well,I have loads to lose-100 kg at the moment.1.60 cm .Age 37.
So about 40 kg to go.
I'm very skeptic of the 2kg a week.As I feel its not dropping like Im 20yo.:mad:
In the space of 6 years i have been down to 80 kg twice.with hard work of diet and exercise.But then Im regaining all and more.
I do over eat,and i do emotional eating.Now even if i manage to lose the 8 kg this month ,i am not sure that i can stick to no carbs diet.and more likely be stuffing them next moment when i dont care.
I dont know how to do this...

Hi Meitina..
In between losing all the weight on and off...Have you being doing anything about the emotional part that seems to be causing your issues?

You seem to be doing pretty good in between the issues,,but if you don't sort what's causing your emotional problems,,your more than likely to just keep losing the weight,and piling it back on again.

.

seamus · 13-10-2011 08:25AM

Your GP is not a dietician. What he/she says will probably work, but it's probably a little bit too simplistic.
You probably understand to a certain extent how to lose weight, but if you follow a diet plan set by someone else, and a goal set by someone else, then you're not doing it for yourself, and you will be lost when it comes to managing your own intake.

Read the sticky at the top of this forum - Nutrition 101. Then build your own diet plan. Do it for yourself, not so you can go back to the doctor in 4 weeks.

2kg per week is drastic/optimistic. But you are heavily overweight @ 5'5" and 100kg. So it's achievable, but too unrealistic. Goals have to be realistic or you'll run out of motivation. Aim for half that, 4kg. Definitely achievable in 4 weeks. If you can go back to the doctor showing a solid weight loss and having taken control of your diet yourself (as opposed to just doing what you've been told), then you've set yourself up for more weight loss in future and the doctor will be happy.

How specifically have you lost the weight in the past?

meitina · 13-10-2011 08:26AM

Thanks Sexy Guy!
I do realize this- me myself my biggest enemy.
I said to my Gp that how i look(my weight)is reflecting how i feel.
She thinks I have to stop thinking of excuses ,stop thinking like a fat person and just focus on losing weight.
And maybe it is as simple as this.to stop thinking negative ,forget the past move on .

syklops · 13-10-2011 08:26AM

The question is first of all 2kg a week-isnt a bit too much?

To be honest, 100kg for someone less than 6foot is a lot. 2kg a week sounds like a lot, but its only 2% body weight. Two things to remember, its a 'target', and it is entirely doable. Whats your exercise regime?

chatterpillar wrote: »

Did he really tell you to stick to a no carb diet? No veggies or anything? Hmmm ...

Did you even read the original post??

Now I got orders to lose 8 kg in next month by simple diet of cutting out-
*Bread
*Pasta
*Rice
*Potatoe

OP, didnt mention no veg, the OP said no simple carbs and veg wise, no potatoes.

mix in some butter. I find carrots and broccolli mashed up together very tasty with butter.

I wouldnt be advocating adding butter to things if your trying to lose weight. Especially, adding it to veg to make the veg taste better, because you can add a lot of butter very easily, without noticing it.

Instead, I'd recommend doing stir fries. A little blob of soy sauce will flavour your veg nicely, and cost you nearly nothing calorie-wise, but enough butter to make broccoli taste 'nice' could add 100 calories to the meal.

I see where the GP is coming from but re bread and pasta but maybe try switching to whole grain and cutting back and replacing with vegetables, lean meat and fish.

The GP said, cut out pasta, bread and potatoes, not switch to the wholegrain equivalents. I'd recommend trying it. Even for a week, and see if the 2kgs do fall off. If they do, then it might be an idea to keep it going for a while.

A lot of GP's are obsessed with the scales and don't look at the wider picture (i.e. body fat and muscle mass) on the other hand fair play to him / her for pointing it out as a lot of doctors wouldn't bother

All your points are valid, but the OP is 100 kg and I assume they mean 1.6 metres(160 cm). Unless he/she is a rugby player or a body builder, then they are on the heavy side.

meitina · 13-10-2011 08:37AM

Hi,Seamus!
Well,that was my plan all this time.And I said to her that I am trying to go slowly ,changing my life without me realizing.Kind of fooling myself into healthier life:DJust because I been there-all or nothing .When Im doing it I give 100% but if I stop I STOP.Before when I lost the kg I didnt really follow any specific diet.Just ate less,lot less compere to before,and exercise-walking .
And 4 kg a month is my way,that's how much my body would let.

meitina · 13-10-2011 08:42AM

syklops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A rugby player,you know sometimes looking at myself I would think.God you made me laugh so hard.
At 1.60 I should have been petite and lovely,but instead I'm a rugby player:mad:

seamus · 13-10-2011 08:58AM

meitina wrote: »

Hi,Seamus!
Well,that was my plan all this time.And I said to her that I am trying to go slowly ,changing my life without me realizing.Kind of fooling myself into healthier life:DJust because I been there-all or nothing .When Im doing it I give 100% but if I stop I STOP.Before when I lost the kg I didnt really follow any specific diet.Just ate less,lot less compere to before,and exercise-walking .
And 4 kg a month is my way,that's how much my body would let.

OK, just a couple of things then that I want to point out from the above.
I think you've realised that "trying to go slowly ,changing my life without me realizing", doesn't work. Your lifestyle doesn't change by osmosis. You have to quite literally sit down with yourself and make a plan about what you're going to change and how. You don't need to change everything at once (in fact that's less likely to work), but you have make changes, not wait for them to happen

You say you give 100% or 0%. With losing weight and changing your diet, there is no 0%, ever. You do not diet to lose weight, and then stop. You change your eating habits and you change them for the rest of your life. Otherwise you will continue on this yo-yo cycle that you're trapped in.

That you didn't lose weight before through any specific planning is actually kind of a good thing. It means that you won't be frustrated or confused when trying to make proper plans this time around. "Eat less, move more" describes the overall idea of how to lose weight, but you need to be more specific for long-term weight loss and maintenance.
That is, you may manage to eat less and move more and lose 40kg, but what then? If you start to eat more and move less, you'll gain weight again. So you need to take specific control of your diet. Know what you're eating, why you're eating it and what it contains.

Your last line to a certain extent I'm still getting a little bit of excuse-making in it. And I say that in the nicest possible way. If you convince yourself that your body will only "let" you lose 4kg in 4 weeks, then IMO you will be lucky to even hit that target.
Set your goal at 4kg because objectively that's just over 2lbs per week, which is generally considered a normal healthy weight loss achievable by anyone. Your are not special, your body is no different to anyone elses, so there's no reason why your body would only "let" you do anything. In your head you're thinking it's you -v- your body in the struggle to lose weight.
It's actually more like you -v- your head, your body is the battlefield.

Overhaul your diet (seriously, read the sticky at the top here) and evaluate your progress on a week-to-week basis.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 13-10-2011 09:14AM

8kgs in 4 weeks?!

thats a calorie deficit of 14,000 a week, thats ridiculous, even half that 7,000 a week is a lot!

dermiek · 13-10-2011 09:18AM

(seamus summed it up perfectly, with others, but here goes anyway.)

I cant really talk OP, as I need to lose weight also, but here's my 2c anyway. For some people, cutting out carbs is no problem, for others, its a big deal. If you can cut out carbs, and not miss them, great.
The weight will literally fall off, in fact, you'll probably find it hard to stick to 2kg/week. However, if staying off carbs is a struggle, then you will revert back eventually and put weight back on.

IMHO, not only do you need to change what you eat, you also need to change how you cook it, and also some exercise (don't know if you do any already).
For instance, grill instead of fry, low fat instead of ordinary, etc. Butter, for all you may use, I'd leave in. Well, we all need some pleasures. haha.
An example, if I joined Weight watchers now, I would have about 32 points per day (going on when I was there, about 2-3 years ago).
one pint of milk is (well, was) 8 points. One pint of skim milk is (was) 2 points.
I no longer use ordinary milk. And so on.
Anyway, I'm no expert, far from it. Just want to say in my opinion, maybe look at WW or similar, maybe change how you cook/prepare food if possible, maybe start exercise.
I feel this way you will lose weight slower, but theres more of a chance to keep it off.
Dont worry about going back to the Doctor not having lost the 8kg, the days are gone when she can drag you outside and shoot you for it.

And the very best of luck with it.

Keep us informed.

13-10-2011 09:19AM

meitina wrote: »

I was in today my doctor's,for weight - in .I have been trying to lose weight since April.I'm on weight loss tablets.So far I lost 10 kg .Now for the last month I'm 2 kg back.
Now I got orders to lose 8 kg in next month by simple diet of cutting out-
*Bread
*Pasta
*Rice
*Potatoe
The question is first of all 2kg a week-isnt a bit too much?
Secondly NO CARBS????:rolleyes:

It takes some effort at the start to cut them out. You need to break old habits as much as anything else. But once you do it for a while, you really get used to it.

Hanley · 13-10-2011 10:24AM

TiltedBrain wrote: »

8kgs in 4 weeks?!

thats a calorie deficit of 14,000 a week, thats ridiculous, even half that 7,000 a week is a lot!

...assuming it will all be fat loss. Which it won't.

A large portion will be lost to glycogen depletion and reduced levels of water/bloat in the body.

With a lot of weight to lose, 2kg weekly for 4 weeks is perfectly doable. But it won't all be fat.

I've only skimmed the thread, OP, what are you doing exercise wise?

Also - parsnips cut into lengths and fried in a tiny bit of sesame oil are amazing - taste and look exactly like chips, few cheery tomatos, bit of rocket, some balsamic vinegar and chicken/beef and you're laughing. Lots of tasty and healthy option.

The hardest part of going low carb is not giving in to hunger cravings when only a quick fix of suagr will do. Don't fall into that trap. Avoid it by eating a little and often. Eat by the clock, even if you don't feel like it.

And drink lots of water - srsly. It'll help with the hunger.

syklops · 13-10-2011 10:27AM

Hanley wrote: »

...assuming it will all be fat loss. Which it won't.

A large portion will be lost to glycogen depletion and reduced levels of water/bloat in the body.

With a lot of weight to lose, 2kg weekly for 4 weeks is perfectly doable. But it won't all be fat.

I've only skimmed the thread, OP, what are you doing exercise wise?

Also - parsnips cut into lengths and fried in a tiny bit of sesame oil are amazing - taste and look exactly like chips, few cheery tomatos, bit of rocket, some balsamic vinegar and chicken/beef and you're laughing. Lots of tasty and healthy option.

The hardest part of going low carb is not giving in to hunger cravings when only a quick fix of suagr will do. Don't fall into that trap. Avoid it by eating a little and often. Eat by the clock, even if you don't feel like it.

And drink lots of water - srsly. It'll help with the hunger.

She walks.

Hanley · 13-10-2011 10:43AM

syklops wrote: »

She walks.

Times/duration/frequency etc etc....?

There's evidence to suggest a heavier person who partakes in physical activity may be healthier than a slim sedentary person when it comes to blood profiles etc etc - just looking at it from the perspective that losing weight in itself doesn't just create a healthy body.

My point being, if health's the goal, weight loss and exercise is necessary. And the exercise will also help with the weight loss!

corkcomp · 13-10-2011 11:16AM

syklops wrote: »

To be honest, 100kg for someone less than 6foot is a lot. 2kg a week sounds like a lot, but its only 2% body weight. Two things to remember, its a 'target', and it is entirely doable. Whats your exercise regime?

Did you even read the original post??

OP, didnt mention no veg, the OP said no simple carbs and veg wise, no potatoes.

I wouldnt be advocating adding butter to things if your trying to lose weight. Especially, adding it to veg to make the veg taste better, because you can add a lot of butter very easily, without noticing it.

Instead, I'd recommend doing stir fries. A little blob of soy sauce will flavour your veg nicely, and cost you nearly nothing calorie-wise, but enough butter to make broccoli taste 'nice' could add 100 calories to the meal.

The GP said, cut out pasta, bread and potatoes, not switch to the wholegrain equivalents. I'd recommend trying it. Even for a week, and see if the 2kgs do fall off. If they do, then it might be an idea to keep it going for a while.

All your points are valid, but the OP is 100 kg and I assume they mean 1.6 metres(160 cm). Unless he/she is a rugby player or a body builder, then they are on the heavy side.

No one is disputing the need to drop weight, however fat loss of 2kg a week is impossible and there is no point in the OP sacrificing lean muscle mass and possibly ending up with a lot of loose skin which could very likely happen from dropping weight too quickly

MrFrisp · 13-10-2011 12:16PM

meitina wrote: »

Thanks Sexy Guy!
I do realize this- me myself my biggest enemy.
I said to my Gp that how i look(my weight)is reflecting how i feel.
She thinks I have to stop thinking of excuses ,stop thinking like a fat person and just focus on losing weight.
And maybe it is as simple as this.to stop thinking negative ,forget the past move on .

Hi Meitina....

Glad to be of some help...

Your GP is right though,,,you Must change your way of thinking.

It's not that simple though..Years of bad habits can't be changed overnight. But,once you master your self belief,and learn to manage the cravings,,,you'll find it easy after that.

Feel free to pm if you ever want a bit more info on it..Or on how to deal with letting go of the past..

.

Mars Bar · 13-10-2011 12:27PM

SexyGuy wrote: »

Ah now,,Mars bar....

Your forgetting the most important part....

You cut out all the sweets,fizzy drinks,and chocolate...Now,,let Us know what the result of that was..How long the results took to show...etc..:D

.

A stone and 4 pounds in 3 months!

I did quite a bit of exercise though to compliment my diet.

MrFrisp · 13-10-2011 01:01PM

mars bar wrote: »

A stone and 4 pounds in 3 months!

I did quite a bit of exercise though to compliment my diet.

Cool...That's fantastic...

Fair dues to you...

Doing the same here now as well,but going for the resitance training rather than walking/jogging.

That sugar has a lot to answer for.

.

arandale · 13-10-2011 06:22PM

syklops, i'd agree with you regarding using butter, even a small bit is too much. I use Coconut oil, can be bought in health shop, its in solid form, i use it all the time in mashing veg. Google it and read of its merits.

meitina · 13-10-2011 07:15PM

Thank you all for the great advices!
I have decided to try to live without the bread and potatoes and rest.
I'll see how I do after a week.It is actually a good week to start ,I am not feeling my best,can't eat anyway.
I had ready brek and bannana for breakfast(thats my usual brekkie anyway)
Grilled salmon and cottage cheese for lunch,
2 fried herrings for dinner
natural yogurt with pear-snack.
No veggies-i just cant eat anything crunchy -horrible mouth ulcer:mad:

SteelyDanJalapeno · 13-10-2011 07:45PM

If your staying off the wheat and starchy veg's, no need to avoid the butter too,
it can transform some stink veggies like sprouts

Mars Bar · 13-10-2011 09:56PM

SexyGuy wrote: »

Cool...That's fantastic...

Fair dues to you...

Doing the same here now as well,but going for the resitance training rather than walking/jogging.

That sugar has a lot to answer for.

.

I did the weights and resistance training too. I prefer doing the weights than cardio...

Blatter · 13-10-2011 10:07PM

TiltedBrain wrote: »

If your staying off the wheat and starchy veg's, no need to avoid the butter too,
it can transform some stink veggies like sprouts

Yep, if you're going low carb and doing it properly, some butter with your vegetables everyday is grand.

The Big Red Button · 14-10-2011 04:15AM

syklops wrote: »

chatterpillar wrote: »

Did he really tell you to stick to a no carb diet? No veggies or anything? Hmmm ...

Did you even read the original post??

Did you even read the post that I quoted? Where the OP mentioned a "no carb" diet?

The point I was making was that there are PLENTY of healthy carb sources (eg veg) and that there is no need for crap such as bread, pasta, etc.

Mark in Lucan · 18-10-2011 11:14PM

meitina wrote: »

I was in today my doctor's,for weight - in .I have been trying to lose weight since April.I'm on weight loss tablets.So far I lost 10 kg .Now for the last month I'm 2 kg back.
Now I got orders to lose 8 kg in next month by simple diet of cutting out-
*Bread
*Pasta
*Rice
*Potatoe
The question is first of all 2kg a week-isnt a bit too much?
Secondly NO CARBS????:rolleyes:

What about sugar and fat reductions!
Watch low fat stuff, full of sugar
Cook everything you eat, avoid processed foods, eat morning & midday & less thereafter (supper), little or nothing at night, eating is largely a habit after 3 meals a day, drink water, run up & walk down stairs, although I am no expert except for losing 26kg in 3 months and maintaining the loss!

Mellor · 19-10-2011 01:49AM

There's a big difference between losing 2kg of fat a week and dropping 2kg of weight. A lot of people are not gettign that.

Also, aiming for 2kg loss =/= losing 2kg

Alopex · 19-10-2011 02:04AM

syklops wrote: »

I wouldnt be advocating adding butter to things if your trying to lose weight. Especially, adding it to veg to make the veg taste better, because you can add a lot of butter very easily, without noticing it.

Instead, I'd recommend doing stir fries. A little blob of soy sauce will flavour your veg nicely, and cost you nearly nothing calorie-wise, but enough butter to make broccoli taste 'nice' could add 100 calories to the meal.

That would make it a low carb and low fat meal. Recipe for misery imho. I think the butter will be fine with the grains gone.

Alopex · 19-10-2011 02:06AM

meitina wrote: »

Thank you all for the great advices!
I have decided to try to live without the bread and potatoes and rest.
I'll see how I do after a week.It is actually a good week to start ,I am not feeling my best,can't eat anyway.
I had ready brek and bannana for breakfast(thats my usual brekkie anyway)
Grilled salmon and cottage cheese for lunch,
2 fried herrings for dinner
natural yogurt with pear-snack.
No veggies-i just cant eat anything crunchy -horrible mouth ulcer:mad:

Cook some broccoli. You'll feel even better.

GP's advice to lose weight.

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