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AMD vs Intel processers

  • 05-11-2011 01:42PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,282 Mod ✭✭✭✭deconduo


    Veles wrote: »
    IS there a difference between the two?compare an intel i7 to the AMD equivalent?

    Well there's lots of factors to take in, but the tl:dr right now for desktops is Intel > AMD. For gaming there's no competition at all, for use with heavily threaded applications there is some argument for AMD chips at certain budget points.

    A brief rundown of the best value chips at the moment would be:
    €270: i7-2600k**
    €185: i5-2500k*
    €160: i5-2400
    €100: i3-2100


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    For laptops its a bit trickier. As you can't build your own laptop and AMD mobile chips are a bit better, the balance between the two is more even. Really you would have to look at each laptop as a whole rather than just what CPU it has. It would depend completely on your budget and what you would be using it for.





    *The k denotes an unlocked CPU which makes it possible to overclock the chip. A P67 or Z68 motherboard is required to use this feature.
    **The i5-2600k is almost the exact same as the i5-2500k. The main difference is that the i7 has hyperthreading which turns 4 real cores into 8 virtual cores. This does not give ANY advantage for gaming, but is good for threaded applications like photoshop, 3DSMax, Maya, video editing/production etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,763 ✭✭✭✭Crann na Beatha


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,729 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    deconduo wrote: »
    Well there's lots of factors to take in, but the tl:dr right now for desktops is Intel > AMD. For gaming there's no competition at all
    Well, thats simplifying it. But yes.

    Here is a chart that weighs them all by performance:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overclocking,3052-5.html

    The rest of the article discusses price points.

    As of right now Intel outside of the Budget brackets has the commanding lead in gaming performance. Though I still like my AMD. A determining factor of my last build was actually news about Intel's antitrust suit, which basically meant they were playing dirty to keep AMD out of competition.
    The FTC had sued Intel last December, accusing the chip giant of anticompetitive tactics designed to beat down the competition and build up its own monopoly. The agency had charged that Intel used a series of threats and rewards to convince PC makers such as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, and IBM to avoid buying chips from the competition.
    The agency had charged Intel with violations of Section 5 of the FTC Act (PDF), a fairly broad set of laws that guard against unfair, anticompetitive, and deceptive acts in commerce.
    The new settlement also focuses on Intel's disclosures concerning its compiler. The FTC had charged that the company modified its compiler to intentionally slow down the performance of rival chips so it could tell customers that its own chips performed better than those of the competition.
    Manufacturers of products that work with Intel's chips, such as discrete GPUs, have also been granted access to Intel's CPU over the next six years, the FTC said.
    Under the specific terms of the settlement, Intel is prohibited from offering rewards to PC makers in exchange for them promising to buy Intel chips exclusively or refusing to buy chips from the competition. The company is also banned from withholding benefits from PC makers who do business with non-Intel suppliers.
    So here I am thinking to myself if Intel is all its cracked up to be why would it need to resort to that?

    Of course if you don't care about any of that, Intel is your buy, since it bullies everything around it into inferiority, and who cares when you're trying to run the latest video game right? /:|

    Myself I don't mind paying a little more for a comparable AMD chip thats built with a little more sincerity.

    To answer your original question so far AMD doesn't have anything that matches up to the Sandy Bridge i7. First Gen i7s are matched by the AMD FX-8150 however or in gaming applications even the ol' and trusty Phenom II X4 Black Ed, which is still a pretty good buy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭NewsMeQuick


    Hi, I'm sure this question gets asked all the time, I haven't found a thread that quite explains it though. How do you choose between an Intel and an AMD chip in a new laptop? Does it ALWAYS depend on your intended use?

    I see a lot of AMD quad cores and even dual cores but with 1.4/1.5ghz CPUs and I'm looking at the Intel Core i3s and I can't tell which performs better. I have a basic understanding of the Intels: for the Cores, Sandy Bridge is amongst the best and newest, Ivy Bridge is incoming and will be better. Intels generally use intelgrated graphics. I've seen AMDs with dedicated graphics.

    If usage is most important for recognising which is 'better', say typical home usage; internet use, document editing, music, video and picture management, older game usage and once in a while a new-ish game. Now if you found two laptops, one with an i3 and another with and AMD, how do you compare them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,835 ✭✭✭Torqay


    how do you compare them?


    Just go to PassMark and look up the CPU benchmarks, but quite frankly, AMD can't hold a candle to Intel's Core iX processors. AMD's fastest Opteron, the 6272 ranks #21, priced ~600 Dollars and is still mo match for some 1st generation Core i7. The Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge CPU costs half the money and beats the AMD hands down... that's how bad AMD is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭Supermensch


    If usage is most important for recognising which is 'better', say typical home usage; internet use, document editing, music, video and picture management, older game usage and once in a while a new-ish game. Now if you found two laptops, one with an i3 and another with and AMD, how do you compare them?

    For that kind of relatively undemanding usage you'd notice very little difference between the different processors. For those application a computer would benefit more from a faster hdd (or an ssd). So unless you care about processor threads or certain architecture instruction sets (Baring Bulldozer, AMD chips lacks SSSE3 instructions), budget should be your main concern.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭NewsMeQuick


    Yes, I think I've just moved from a persevering bargain-hunter to being unnecessarily picky now - I'm trying to get the best bang for my buck and get the best CPU for the price I want to spend. I've been looking at the Intel® Core™ i3-2310M and it's frequently in the same price bracket of an AMD E450 and Intel B940/50. The benchmarks indicate that the i3 wipes the floor with them. Goody! :)

    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/mid_range_cpus.html


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    In the past it used to be AMD were the leaders but since Intel brought in the core 2 * (I think) series since then Intel have been the better chips for performance/price. I tend to always use Intel chips, partly as they have a base in Ireland :pac:

    Nick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭Eboggles


    Torqay wrote: »
    Just go to PassMark and look up the CPU benchmarks, but quite frankly, AMD can't hold a candle to Intel's Core iX processors. AMD's fastest Opteron, the 6272 ranks #21, priced ~600 Dollars and is still mo match for some 1st generation Core i7. The Intel Core i7-3770 Ivy Bridge CPU costs half the money and beats the AMD hands down... that's how bad AMD is.

    Don't use Passmark, it's a very poor indication of a CPUs strength. If you want an in-depth look, use this bench to compare CPUs on different fronts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,442 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Posts like the OP at some stage caused severe flame wars here :D

    There was a time there was a fierce struggle between AMD and Intel for best mid and high end processors (and value for money) but that ended many years ago, perhaps in '03 or '04...

    Intel have come out on top and have stayed on top ever since. Main reason perhaps that they have been superior in technological progress - thinner and thinner transistors?

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