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Grenade attack in Belgium (no jokes plz)

  • 13-12-2011 12:44PM
    #1
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭


    Just hearing on the news that there are several dead due to someone throwing grenades into a crowd!

    edit

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746
    Explosions in the centre of the Belgian city of Liege have killed at least two people and wounded about 12, Belgian media say.

    They say several men threw explosives and grenades in a crowd at a bus stop.

    Some reports say one of the attackers is among the dead. Local media say gunfire is continuing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Holy Shti, what is this about I wonder.


  • Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just hearing on the news that there are several dead due to someone throwing grenades into a crowd!

    edit

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746

    Scary stuff. My thoughts go out to those affected. Belgium is a lovely country with lovely people but there's a small minority of nutjobs everywhere I guess.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Sad to hear about this.
    Mad stuff.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    My first thought was an Anders Breivik style attack.


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It seems like someone (group) is trying to start something, what a terrible thing to do though, regardless of why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    My first thought was an Anders Breivik style attack.

    I haven't seen mention of nationality yet but I was thinking along the lines of that attack in India, specially as it's a group doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,261 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The first thing that went through my mind was that movie title "If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    The first thing that went through my mind was that movie title "If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium."

    :p groan! :p

    Listening to the RTE/Newstalk headlines, they still haven't heard.

    guardian live blog (Charlie Brooker hello!)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/blog/2011/dec/13/belgium-attack-grenades-thrown-at-bus-stop-in-liege-live-updates

    oh wait RTE now get round to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Jesus!!!!!!! Hopefully the list of casualties is really short!!!!!!!!

    What a thing to happen, what sick twisted b*stard would do such a thing.

    Mores the pity it's not such an unusual story nowadays!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Cardinal Richelieu


    2 dead and 10 injuryed according to RTE, He attacked a courthouse and bus stop and is thought to have killed himself. Sounds like a grudge killing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    BBC says its still game on, gunfire continuing, several men involved...


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    BBC says its still game on, gunfire continuing, several men involved...

    that report is about 20 minutes old, no idea what's happening now!

    edit:
    http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/news/111213_Attack_Li%25C3%25A8ge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    2 dead and 10 injuryed according to RTE, He attacked a courthouse and bus stop and is thought to have killed himself. Sounds like a grudge killing.

    So thats Christmas ruined for at least 2 families, and nothing but worry for 10 more...

    If the f*cker did kill himself, I hope hell has enough room for him!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭reprazant


    2 dead and 10 injuryed according to RTE, He attacked a courthouse and bus stop and is thought to have killed himself. Sounds like a grudge killing.

    An attempted prisoner breakout I heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭Balfie


    Two people have been killed and up to 64 injured after gunmen opened fire and threw grenades at a crowd in the Belgian city of Liege.
    Police said at least two men, armed with a Kalashnikov and grenades, were involved in the attack.
    The attack took place around noon on Saint-Lambert square, home to the town's courthouse and located near a busy Christmas market.
    One of the assailants was killed. There are reports another man fled inside the courthouse.
    Police said several "suspect" objects were found on the square and that police bomb disposal experts had been alerted.
    RTL-TV1 television earlier said the gunmen threw stun grenades into the courthouse while one was thrown at a bus shelter in the area.

    Link

    Also Sky News

    Edit BBC News - Thanks to Tabnabs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Balfie wrote: »
    .
    Police said at least two men, cowards
    Link

    Also Sky News

    Fixed that bit.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    A gun and grenade attack in the centre of the Belgian city of Liege has killed at least two people and wounded 47 including a toddler, media say.

    Witnesses say a man in his 40s threw grenades at a bus stop in Place Saint Lambert, a busy square. At least two other men are thought to be involved.

    Reports say one of the attackers is among the dead. Local media say another has been detained, while a third is involved in a stand-off with police.

    It is not clear who the attackers are.

    There are reports of a fourth man escaping the scene.

    TV images showed blood splattered across the cobblestones.

    Medical staff are said to be attending to some of the injured in the courthouse.

    Seven of them are in a serious condition, and doctors at a city hospital are trying to save the life of an 18-month-old boy injured in the attack.

    Roads into the centre of the city have been sealed off. Police helicopters are hovering overhead and explosives experts are on their way to the square.

    A TV report said many shops in the city centre had closed their doors, with customers trapped inside.

    Place Saint Lambert is a busy intersection, served by hundreds of buses daily. It hosts an annual Christmas market which attracts some 1.5 million visitors a year.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16161746


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I wonder what crazy reason they had for doing this:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Not seeing much on TV about this. Fingers crossed the death toll doesn't rise too much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭Balfie


    I wonder what crazy reason they had for doing this:confused:

    No reason could ever be worth killing anyone and injuring so many innocent people.

    Especially if what BBC says is true that a toddler was hurt. That's just sickening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Was it the Muslamics?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Tue 13/12/2011 - 14:03 Two people have been killed and a sixty-four people injured in an armed attack in the heart of the Walloon city on Liège on Tuesday lunchtime. Thunder Flashes were thrown and shots fired at group of people that were waiting at a bus shelter on the busy Place Saint-Lambert. One of those killed, Nordine Amrani, was involved in carrying out the attack.

    A total of sixteen people were taken to two local hospitals suffering from injuries or shock.

    Three of those injured in the attack are reported to be in a life-threatening condition. Among them is a child.

    Witnesses reported that a group of men carried out the attack. One of those involved was killed.

    However, the Federal Crisis Centre says that only one person was involved in the attack.

    The Prime Minister Elio Di Rupo (Francophone socialist) and the Interior Minister Joëlle Milquet are to visit the scene.

    The Medical Disaster Action Plan has been put into force and the police have sealed off the city centre.

    The police have advised people in Liège city centre to stay indoors. Anyone on the streets is advised to seek shelter in shops and public buildings.

    An emergency first aid post has been set up in the courtyard of the Prince-Bishops’ Palace on the Place Saint-Lambert. Witnesses have sought shelter in Liège’s courthouse. The emergency services from Liège have received reinforcements from Veviers (Liège province), Namur and the Dutch city of Maastricht.
    http://www.deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws.english/news/111213_Attack_Li%25C3%25A8ge


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    R.I.P.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Just to save Overheal the hassle when he gets on later, only in America!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,841 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    According to the Belgian paper Le Soir
    Nordine Amrani, the deceased author of the killing of Liege, is known by the police. In our archives, this article talks about his conviction three years earlier: "The Criminal Court sentenced, Tuesday, Nordine Amrani, Liégeois a 29-year to 58 months in prison for possession of a dozen weapons and parts 9500 and 2800 for the cultivation of cannabis plants. The court has also fined 11,000 euros and gave the forfeitures in the amount of 76,500 euros. "
    http://www.lesoir.be/regions/liege/2011-12-13/liege-4-morts-et-des-dizaines-de-blesses-live-883451.php (via google translate)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Scumbags.

    Well done on the Belgian response, and the Dutch sending in help over the border.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    I wonder what crazy reason they had for doing this:confused:

    Could there be a rational reason for doing something like it?:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    4 dead now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,137 ✭✭✭Balfie


    Four people have been killed and up to 64 injured after a man opened fire and threw grenades at a crowd in the Belgian city of Liege.
    Police named the gunman as 32-year-old Nordine Amrani and said he was one of those killed.
    Mr Amrani was armed with a Kalashnikov rifle, a pistol and a number of grenades.
    The attack took place around noon on Saint-Lambert square, home to the town's courthouse and located near a busy Christmas market.
    Police said several "suspect" objects were subsequently found on the square and that police bomb disposal experts cleared the area.

    Been Upgraded to 4 people dead!

    Link RTE news!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Possibilities:

    - Drug related
    - Breivik copy-cat killer
    - Islamic extremist
    - Family feud
    - General nutcase


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Possibilities:
    - Drug related
    - Breivik copy-cat killer
    - Islamic extremist

    I'd hazard an early guess at a mix of all three.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Possibilities:

    - Drug related
    - Breivik copy-cat killer
    - Islamic extremist
    - Family feud
    - General nutcase

    He was done before, so presumably we'll know shortly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Daniel S


    Reports of two people shot dead in a square in Florence, Italy also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Daniel S wrote: »
    Reports of two people shot dead in a square in Florence, Italy also.

    If they are connected then we're seeing the beginning of a Mumbai style attack on Europe, possible Islamic fundamentalists or an extreme-right group who want to be seen as martyrs for their cause.

    Edit: The people who were shot in Florence were "African street vendors", so if these two incidents are connected, it could have been perpetrated by an anti-emigration extreme right-wing group.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    It seems that the Florence incident may indeed have been perpetrated by an extreme right-wing group:

    http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/266376/20111213/florence-shooting-africans-killed-far-right-extremist.htm

    Did these two incidents occur in Belgium and Italy on the same day merely by coincidence? If not, is there more to come? Do they have connections to Anders Bering Breivik? I read somewhere that Breivik mentioned that other groups would follow him or were in the planning process of launching attacks.

    We'll have to wait and see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I'm going with that this guy was just a nutter as he seems to have been known to the cops


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    I suspect that if this is linked to Breivik, it could have been perpetrated to a group which Breivik claims membership of, the so called PCCTS (Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici) who liken themselves as the New Knights Templar. They wish to launch an anti-Muslim, anti-emigration, anti-Jihad crusade in Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Jokes removed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    Looks like the perpetrator had form and was a local resident.

    "Belgian officials identified him as Norodine Amrani, 33, a Liege resident who they said had done jail time for offences involving guns, drugs and sexual abuse."

    http://www.france24.com/en/20111213-deadly-grenade-attack-belgian-city-liege-courthouse

    Thus it is unlikely that the action was part of any wider conspiracy or offensive.:cool:


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Looks like the perpetrator had form and was a local resident.

    "Belgian officials identified him as Norodine Amrani, 33, a Liege resident who they said had done jail time for offences involving guns, drugs and sexual abuse."

    http://www.france24.com/en/20111213-deadly-grenade-attack-belgian-city-liege-courthouse

    Thus it is unlikely that the action was part of any wider conspiracy or offensive.:cool:
    Sounds very much a lone "I'm taking as many as possible with me" type of attack by someone mentally unhinged! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭bonzodog2


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    The first thing that went through my mind was that movie title "If it's Tuesday, this must be Belgium."

    Reminds me slightly of a scene from Monty Python, many years ago: "If it's Tuesday, this must be Iceland."

    IIRC

    No offense intended to anyone involved in Belgium, or anyone who's lost lost anyone close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭280special


    My thoughts and prayers are with all the innocents who have died or been injured today and their families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭280special


    Sounds very much a lone "I'm taking as many as possible with me" type of attack by someone mentally unhinged! :(

    Or someone who subscribes to a particular religous or political beleif and feels the need to "do something"....

    but then mentally unhinged covers that quite well anyway !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    All I can imagine is the crowd from jersey shore throwing ugly girls at random people.


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