Barcelona - the Greatest Team Ever?

Warper · 18-12-2011 02:29PM #1

Are they? Really who can match them? Their style of play is definitely the most attractive ever played. No team in history can match their technique. Messi is arguably the best player of all time. They simply destroy teams. What team is actually close to them? No one. A blessing to football and to us the fans.

losthorizon · 18-12-2011 02:32PM

You are obviously very young.

Professional Griefer · 18-12-2011 02:35PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Bellamy is everywhere.

What a fcking signing

Wrong thread again? All over the place today.:D

18-12-2011 02:36PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Wrong thread again? All over the place today.:D

Sure am

Smegball · 18-12-2011 02:36PM

Warper wrote: »

Are they? Really who can match them? Their style of play is definitely the most attractive ever played. No team in history can match their technique. Messi is arguably the best player of all time. They simply destroy teams. What team is actually close to them? No one. A blessing to football and to us the fans.

Debatable! Personally I find them quite tedious to watch.

craggles · 18-12-2011 02:37PM

losthorizon wrote: »

You are obviously very young.

You are obviously stuck in the past if you think the likes of early 90's Milan or 70's Brazil could even hold a candle to this side. They would start great, then lose the ball and never get it back.

Think.

CongoPowers · 18-12-2011 02:47PM

Probably.

Crazy Horse 6 · 18-12-2011 02:51PM

Yes imo. Have never seen anyone who comes close, Milan maybe at a push.

Samich · 18-12-2011 02:52PM

Anyone else agree when Barca go 3 or 4 up they are the most boring team to watch?

Madrid are just as exciting, they keep on going to the 90 to get goals.

craggles · 18-12-2011 02:54PM

When they go 4 or 5 up they keep the ball for the rest of the game and suffocate teams.

Their most common result at home is 5-0.

CR 7 · 18-12-2011 02:55PM

All this because they won a few glorified friendlies? Wouldn't the greatest team ever have no problem winning every game, and be comfortably ahead in the league?

Hundreds of short passes between the defence and keeper doesn't make them attractive either.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 02:56PM

Absolutely. That team is just phenomenal. If they're struggling to break teams down, they don't get frustrated. They'll just pass and pass and will wait until a hole opens in the defence's formation set up and then bang, it's 1-0 and more than likely game over. No one can match them at all. No one even dares to play football against them any more. Everyone tries to defend and shut up and hope for the best tbh.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 02:57PM

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

All this because they won a few glorified friendlies? Wouldn't the greatest team ever have no problem winning every game, and be comfortably ahead in the league?

Hundreds of short passes between the defence and keeper doesn't make them attractive either.

Are you saying they're not the greatest team ever? Who actually comes close? They're by far and away the best team in the world now. No one even comes close to matching them with that.

Bodhisopha · 18-12-2011 03:11PM

Yeah, i reckon so.

Corholio · 18-12-2011 03:11PM

Warper wrote: »

Are they? Really who can match them? Their style of play is definitely the most attractive ever played. No team in history can match their technique. Messi is arguably the best player of all time. They simply destroy teams. What team is actually close to them? No one. A blessing to football and to us the fans.

They're a fantastic team no doubt. However throwing out things like 'definitely most attractive ever played' means youre either 90 years old or just like jumping to conclusions. Why is Messi arguably the best player ever, but theyre not 'arguably' the best team ever?

Love watching them though.

Samich · 18-12-2011 03:14PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Absolutely. That team is just phenomenal. If they're struggling to break teams down, they don't get frustrated. They'll just pass and pass and will wait until a hole opens in the defence's formation set up and then bang, it's 1-0 and more than likely game over. No one can match them at all. No one even dares to play football against them any more. Everyone tries to defend and shut up and hope for the best tbh.

From what I heard about the Madrid game Madrid should have been 3 or 4 up in the first half as madrid pushed their strikers up on the barca defence.

Also the gap in quality between the top 2 in spain and the rest is rediculous.

CongoPowers · 18-12-2011 03:14PM

SantryRed wrote: »

They're by far and away the best team in the world now. No one even comes close to matching them with that.

No doubt.

That said, I can see Madrid winning the league this year by dropping less points against the lesser teams, but wouldn't look past Barça winning the second clásico, especially at home.

And no, that doesn't mean Barça can't be the greatest team ever. Their consistency over the past 3+ years has been insane, that can't last forever, no matter how strong the side is. When motivated though (for big games), they can look unstoppable. Recent clásico is a great example, totally outclassed Madrid again, form side in the world at the time.

Bodhisopha · 18-12-2011 03:15PM

Samich wrote: »

From what I heard about the Madrid game Madrid should have been 3 or 4 up in the first half as madrid pushed their strikers up on the barca defence.

Also the gap in quality between the top 2 in spain and the rest is rediculous.

Nope.

losthorizon · 18-12-2011 03:15PM

craggles wrote: »

You are obviously stuck in the past if you think the likes of early 90's Milan or 70's Brazil could even hold a candle to this side. They would start great, then lose the ball and never get it back.

Huh?

Anyway people are forgetting that Barcelona are basing themselves on the total football sides of Ajax of the 1970s (who won the European cup three times in a row).

Milan of the 1990s were magnificent and had a better defence. I cant comment on The Brazil sides that are famous or the famous Santos sides that Pele played for. Its not like now where S. Americans transferred over to Europe.

You also have Honved and the Mighty Magyars propelled by Puskas and all the other great Hungarian stars.

Barcelona just happen to be the best team of this generation. Thats all. In ten years time you will get posts saying are Cork City the best team of all time and is Murphy the greatest player ever (well I can wish). Swings and Roundabouts.

CongoPowers · 18-12-2011 03:17PM

Samich wrote: »

From what I heard about the Madrid game Madrid should have been 3 or 4 up in the first half as madrid pushed their strikers up on the barca defence.

Rubbish.

The gap in Spain is obvious (Sevilla conceding 6 at home last night the latest example) but put those two teams in any other league and they'd finish ahead of the rest. Remember, Barça have absolutely battered Arsenal and United more than once. Way ahead atm.

losthorizon · 18-12-2011 03:26PM

CongoPowers wrote: »

Rubbish.

The gap in Spain is obvious (Sevilla conceding 6 at home last night the latest example) but put those two teams in any other league and they'd finish ahead of the rest. Remember, Barça have absolutely battered Arsenal and United more than once. Way ahead atm.

In the last ten years only three teams have won the English title.

In Spain only three teams have won the title.

No difference.

Over 20 years Five teams in each league - again no difference.

Son Of A Vidic · 18-12-2011 03:32PM

Wasn't there a thread on this not to long ago?

CR 7 · 18-12-2011 03:46PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Wasn't there a thread on this not to long ago?

I'm fairly sure the fanboys take turns making this thread after every win.

tayto lover · 18-12-2011 03:49PM

The Man Utd fans don't like Barca because they always beat them.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 03:53PM

Samich wrote: »

From what I heard about the Madrid game Madrid should have been 3 or 4 up in the first half as madrid pushed their strikers up on the barca defence.

Also the gap in quality between the top 2 in spain and the rest is rediculous.

They did press high. But eventually Barca worked them out and Madrid got tired. Madrid didn't have anything left in the tank with 20 minutes to go.

The gap in quality between the top 2 in Spain and the rest of the world is ridiculous. No one comes close to them.

CongoPowers · 18-12-2011 03:54PM

losthorizon wrote: »

In the last ten years only three teams have won the English title.

In Spain only three teams have won the title.

No difference.

Over 20 years Five teams in each league - again no difference.

You're right!

But over the past few years particularly, Barça and Madrid have built very good sides, and the gap has become bigger and bigger. What I'm saying is these two teams would also dominate in England, not that they're having it too easy in Spain. I don't necessarily think the Premier League is all that strong either for what it's worth.

parc · 18-12-2011 03:56PM

I'm a utd fan and I like barcelona

If you're good you're good. Also not as if they bought their success. Serious amount of home-grown talent there. fair play i say

PARKHEAD67 · 18-12-2011 04:48PM

Smegball wrote: »

Debatable! Personally I find them quite tedious to watch.[/QUOTE]
This is a Joke? Right?:eek:

PARKHEAD67 · 18-12-2011 04:49PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The Man Utd fans don't like Barca because they always beat them.

They dont just beat em. They spank Utd's arses.

dfx- · 18-12-2011 04:49PM

Yes they are, comprehensively so, in my opinion. Fitness and speed of play would beat all but the Milan side of the 90s and probably them too.

When you see monstruous teams like the current Madrid and Ji Sung Park worn out, running on completely empty, you see the effort required. When you see the obsession, the funds, the power, the determination and the will from Madrid to beat them yet are so soundly beaten, they are that far in front.

13/16 trophies under Guardiola. The three others were two Copa del Rey titles - one lost on away goals in the semi final, one lost in extra time in the final and one Champions League after a Volcano bus trip and an injury time winner ruled out. Incredible. Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, Valdes - all hold both World and European titles at both club and international level. Incredible.

Park Ji Sung wrote: »

I'm fairly sure the fanboys take turns making this thread after every win.

And everytime the blind still refuse to see it.

Crazy Horse 6 · 18-12-2011 04:54PM

Smegball wrote: »

Debatable! Personally I find them quite tedious to watch.

Turtwig · 18-12-2011 04:55PM

The best team ever? No clue. One thing for sure is that they make the good teams of this current generation look very ordinary and exhausted. They gifted Madrid with the perfect start and still bowled them over.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 04:55PM

They're only tedious to watch with some people when the other team puts 11 behind the ball. Not their fault. I enjoy them regardless.

PHB · 18-12-2011 05:04PM

SantryRed wrote: »

Are you saying they're not the greatest team ever? Who actually comes close? They're by far and away the best team in the world now. No one even comes close to matching them with that.

People are aware they are second in the league right?

The_Kew_Tour · 18-12-2011 05:09PM

Greatest team in my lifetime.

Just love to know what they take;)

eagle eye · 18-12-2011 05:10PM

Of course most people are aware of their position in the league right now. It doesn't matter though, they are the greatest team of the last 30 years anyways. Far better than even the great Milan side. I never thought I'd be saying that anybody was better than that Milan team.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 05:14PM

PHB wrote: »

People are aware they are second in the league right?

Because the team above them is also very strong. However, a league season is a marathon and not a sprint. Do you think Madrid are better than them?

losthorizon · 18-12-2011 05:17PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Greatest team in my lifetime.

Just love to know what they take;)

You see I think thats a fair enough opinion because its based on observation but to claim as others do that they are the best team ever is mad.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-12-2011 05:20PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The Man Utd fans don't like Barca because they always beat them.

well we got better of them in 1991 and 2008 as well as knocking them out in 1999.

Football started long before May 2009.

But to say they are not great team is laughable tbf

stovelid · 18-12-2011 05:26PM

The thread equivalent of spunking in your jocks on a teenage date.

SantryRed · 18-12-2011 05:55PM

stovelid wrote: »

The thread equivalent of spunking in your jocks on a teenage date.

How? Why can't they be discussed?

tdv123 · 18-12-2011 06:38PM

I suppose the Milan of the late 80's early 90's would be the only team to really rival them.

Rijkaard, Gullit, Van Basten, Maldidini & Baresi (Possibly Costacurta) would all get place in that Barca side no problem.

Messi, Xavi, Iniesta & Alves are the only ones from the Barca team who would be certain of a place in the Milan side.

Imo of course others might see it differently.

Morzadec · 18-12-2011 06:58PM

Yes imo. Best ever

Glico Man · 18-12-2011 07:11PM

tdv123 wrote: »

I suppose the Milan of the late 80's early 90's would be the only team to really rival them.

Rijkaard, Gullit, Van Basten, Maldidini & Baresi (Possibly Costacurta) would all get place in that Barca side no problem.

Messi, Xavi, Iniesta & Alves are the only ones from the Barca team who would be certain of a place in the Milan side.

Imo of course others might see it differently.

You don't think Spain's all time top scorer would get into the Milan side?

I'm not so sure Guilit and Rijkaard would get into the Barça side. For one thing, one of them would have the task of displacing Xavi. The other would have to try and replace one of the worlds current best DMs in Busquets.

Puyol is also one player that wouldn't be displaced from the Barça side so it's not as simple as selecting great Milan players and saying they'd get into the Barça team.

Ulysses Gaze · 18-12-2011 07:15PM

tdv123 wrote: »

I suppose the Milan of the late 80's early 90's would be the only team to really rival them.

Rijkaard, Gullit, Van Basten, Maldidini & Baresi (Possibly Costacurta) would all get place in that Barca side no problem.

Messi, Xavi, Iniesta & Alves are the only ones from the Barca team who would be certain of a place in the Milan side.

Imo of course others might see it differently.

If we include the 1994 Milan side then Desailly and Savicevic would get close as well.

I'm not so sure Guilit and Rijkaard would get into the Barça side. For one thing, one of them would have the task of displacing Xavi. The other would have to try and replace one of the worlds current best DMs in Busquets.

You're having a laugh about Busquets! Gullit and Rijkaard were a level or two above him.

Turtwig · 18-12-2011 07:21PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You're having a laugh about Busquets! Gullit and Rijkaard were a level or two above him.

I dunno. Busquets reads the game impeccably well. I still think Rijkaard and Gullit were better but not by much. The thing about all those Milan players though is would they actually make it into Guardiola's side? His team, skill aside, is a bunch of work horses.

Zebra3 · 18-12-2011 08:32PM

dfx- wrote: »

13/16 trophies under Guardiola. The three others were two Copa del Rey titles - one lost on away goals in the semi final, one lost in extra time in the final and one Champions League after a Volcano bus trip and an injury time winner ruled out. Incredible. Pique, Puyol, Pedro, Villa, Iniesta, Busquets, Xavi, Valdes - all hold both World and European titles at both club and international level. Incredible.

And everytime the blind still refuse to see it.

Thanks for saving me the bother.

tolosenc · 18-12-2011 09:11PM

Warper wrote: »

Are they? Really who can match them? Their style of play is definitely the most attractive ever played. No team in history can match their technique. Messi is arguably the best player of all time. They simply destroy teams. What team is actually close to them? No one. A blessing to football and to us the fans.

No.

Currently, Madrid are the only ones who come close.

Their style is tedious and horrible to watch. They have flashes of brilliance, but the spend an awful ot of their time in posession going sideways and backwards. They nearly put more value in passes than goals.

They are also arrogant moaners. When they don't win, it's all about the negative anti football from the other team. As if other teams aren't allowed to adopt a particular strategy.

Their technique is not what needs to be matched. Their technique is brutal in its simplicity. Pass and move. Watch them closely next time. They are all always moving and looking for a pass. It's the stuff you tell 8 year olds to do, yet the execution of this attitude is immensly poor. Watch 99 percent of teams and they'll have little or no movement.

You could argue that Messi is one of the best ever, but you'd find it hard to conclusively say he is THE best ever. The likes of Maradona, Pele, Zidane and Emile Heskey probably leave Messi with some ways to go. He is undoubtedly a phenomenal talent, but the mass media does overrate him, in that everything he does is "magic" or "genious", but when other players do it, it's what they should be doing (in the recent Clásico, Di Maria beat 4 players including Messi and Abidal put in a wonderful tackleto stop him. The ball squirted out to Messi and the commentators comments were about how good Messi played that by back tracking. Robbie Keane tracks back all the time and never gets called a genious).

They simply destroy teams? Like Sevilla and Getafe...

Teams in history that come close to them and usurp them, off the top of my head, Johann Cruyff's Holland, Holland of the late 80s, Milan of the late 80s and early 90s, Madrid of the early 2000s...

A blessing to all those football fans who hate physicality in football and wish to promote diving and theatrics, if that's what you mean.

bucketybuck · 18-12-2011 09:14PM

aaronh007 wrote: »

You don't think Spain's all time top scorer would get into the Milan side?

I'm not so sure Guilit and Rijkaard would get into the Barça side. For one thing, one of them would have the task of displacing Xavi. The other would have to try and replace one of the worlds current best DMs in Busquets.

Puyol is also one player that wouldn't be displaced from the Barça side so it's not as simple as selecting great Milan players and saying they'd get into the Barça team.

If you are going to claim Villa is a better player than Van Basten then we are going to fall out...

And people think Gullit or Rijkaard wouldnt play? How easily people forget...

CongoPowers · 18-12-2011 09:38PM

tolosenc wrote: »

...

You're wrong about pretty much everything. Congratulations.

tolosenc · 18-12-2011 09:47PM

CongoPowers wrote: »

You're wrong about pretty much everything. Congratulations.

Spoken like a true fan boy.

Barcelona - the Greatest Team Ever?

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