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Rehiring of retired staff?

  • 28-02-2012 01:31PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭


    'Ludicrous' to prohibit rehiring of retired staff, says Reilly

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0210/1224311572930.html?via=rel

    The mind boggles. In the same week that the building of the children's hospital has come unstuck due to gross mismanagement by all the stakeholders, the Minister decides that it's ludicrous to prohibit rehiring of people who have been handsomely rewarded for retiring.

    Does anyone seriously believe that the HSE administrators will not find a compelling reason to rehire their retired kindred as consultants or god knows what? I can see 'corporate knowledge of the HSE a requirement' on tender forms already...

    Whats the point of the CPA if the line minister screws it up in this manner even before the numpties have retired????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭Diarmuid


    Not surprising from the minister that paid out €100million in redundancy to people who were no longer on the HSE payroll.

    I wouldn't have a problem rehiring staff, but I'd fire whoever made the decision to let them go in the first place, if you were just going to turn around and rehire them again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Bits_n_Bobs


    I suspect the fundamental issue is that no-one made a 'decision' on who was to leave.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Maura74


    I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

    I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working. :(

    Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

    There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    Maura74 wrote: »
    I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

    I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working. :(

    Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

    There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

    Eh....hello, planet earth calling Maura.

    Has it not occurred to you that if these people get rehired they pay tax on all, yes all earnings over a certain amount, including pension, private or otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Maura74 wrote: »
    I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

    I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working. :(

    Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

    There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

    If these people wanted to supplement their pension them maybe they shouldn't have taken early retirement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    Maura74 wrote: »
    Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance
    Same in this country. Once you use up your credits you pay tax.
    Maura74 wrote: »
    There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.
    This is retired HSE staff being re-hired by the HSE. Are there voluntary positions in the HSE?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Maura74


    If these people wanted to supplement their pension them maybe they shouldn't have taken early retirement.

    I am referring to pensioners that reached 65 and only have state pension to rely on and not people taking early retirement.

    People that have second large pensions should not be able to leave a job and take one at the same salary somewhere else.

    They have stopped this practice in the UK, well most of it anyway I think they have a bit to go yet to stamped it out altogether.....

    Personal Tax credits in Ireland are bigger than the UK. HSE retired staff should only be allowed to do voluntary work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    New that would happen just new it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭nursextreme


    We also continue to train and produce graduates for the export market who we block from entering the health service with restrictive embargo's. Another point of note is that these newly retired did so for purely economic reasons ultimately a better pension based on the years that the were getting fat off the years of gravy served up by unions/management. No Vision no change!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭waster81


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Same in this country. Once you use up your credits you pay tax.


    This is retired HSE staff being re-hired by the HSE. Are there voluntary positions in the HSE?


    Retired from the public service that would make them private workers


    So they are now private sector workers being employed

    Dont see whats wrong or what the point of the OP is


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Maura74


    If these people are on a gravy train then if they want another job as they like working so much then they should do voluntary work or work in a supermarkets or do cleaning jobs that nobody else want to do this should keep them active. Or, if they are so rich on their pensions then they can go to the gym everyday and enjoy the money they have made over their working life and enjoy the rest of the time they may have got left on this planet. Shouds have no pockets so they cannot take the money with them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 559 ✭✭✭Maura74




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭nursextreme


    Maura74 wrote: »
    If these people are on a gravy train then if they want another job as they like working so much then they should do voluntary work or work in a supermarkets or do cleaning jobs that nobody else want to do this should keep them active.
    Or emigrate! For "Lifestyle" reasons of course like all new graduates want to do apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    waster81 wrote: »
    Retired from the public service that would make them private workers
    :confused:

    If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    n97 mini wrote: »
    :confused:

    If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.

    No more than an Agency employee or any Sub-Contractor depending on what kind of terms they're being re-employed under.

    Strangely enough I predicted that this would happen 18 Months ago - in particular in relation to the HSE but also in other sectors. Many of the thousands that retired are relatively young and healthy but also very experienced. You can't have a recruitment embargo at the same time that you're wiping away your top level of experienced staff, particularly when your workload is staying the same or increasing. That's a fact whether you're running the HSE or a Construction company.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭waster81


    n97 mini wrote: »
    :confused:

    If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.

    Are you being serious, if an agency worker, sub contractor, professional organisation are hired by a public body that doesnt make them a public servant

    They are private sector workers hired to do a job,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    waster81 wrote: »
    Are you being serious,
    Read my post again. Hired by and paid by a public body equals public. Hired by and paid by an agency equals private.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭waster81


    n97 mini wrote: »
    Read my post again. Hired by and paid by a public body equals public. Hired by and paid by an agency equals private.

    And who's paying the agencies - the public body

    Just cutting out the middle man

    I guess you would have no problem if they joined an agency and were then hired


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    waster81 wrote: »
    And who's paying the agencies - the public body
    Read the first post. No-one is paying the agencies, or anyone else.


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