Rehiring of retired staff?

Bits_n_Bobs · 28-02-2012 01:31PM #1

'Ludicrous' to prohibit rehiring of retired staff, says Reilly

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0210/1224311572930.html?via=rel

The mind boggles. In the same week that the building of the children's hospital has come unstuck due to gross mismanagement by all the stakeholders, the Minister decides that it's ludicrous to prohibit rehiring of people who have been handsomely rewarded for retiring.

Does anyone seriously believe that the HSE administrators will not find a compelling reason to rehire their retired kindred as consultants or god knows what? I can see 'corporate knowledge of the HSE a requirement' on tender forms already...

Whats the point of the CPA if the line minister screws it up in this manner even before the numpties have retired????

Diarmuid · 28-02-2012 01:53PM

Not surprising from the minister that paid out €100million in redundancy to people who were no longer on the HSE payroll.

I wouldn't have a problem rehiring staff, but I'd fire whoever made the decision to let them go in the first place, if you were just going to turn around and rehire them again

Bits_n_Bobs · 28-02-2012 02:07PM

I suspect the fundamental issue is that no-one made a 'decision' on who was to leave.

Maura74 · 28-02-2012 03:11PM

I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working.

Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

not yet · 28-02-2012 03:32PM

Maura74 wrote: »

I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working.

Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

Eh....hello, planet earth calling Maura.

Has it not occurred to you that if these people get rehired they pay tax on all, yes all earnings over a certain amount, including pension, private or otherwise.

Head The Wall · 28-02-2012 04:51PM

Maura74 wrote: »

I have no problems with retired people working to make up their state pension and needs the money to make ends meet, it also keeps people active and therefore less age related illness.

I do have problems with retired people working with a very large private pension as well as state pension they should be taxed up to the hilt that it make it not worth their while working.

Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

If these people wanted to supplement their pension them maybe they shouldn't have taken early retirement.

n97 mini · 28-02-2012 05:00PM

Maura74 wrote: »

Pensioners in UK are taxed on their state pension and that is any amount thing earned over their tax personal allowance

Same in this country. Once you use up your credits you pay tax.

Maura74 wrote: »

There is plenty of voluntary work available for these people to do, if they want to work for pure greed.

This is retired HSE staff being re-hired by the HSE. Are there voluntary positions in the HSE?

Maura74 · 28-02-2012 06:00PM

Head The Wall wrote: »

If these people wanted to supplement their pension them maybe they shouldn't have taken early retirement.

I am referring to pensioners that reached 65 and only have state pension to rely on and not people taking early retirement.

People that have second large pensions should not be able to leave a job and take one at the same salary somewhere else.

They have stopped this practice in the UK, well most of it anyway I think they have a bit to go yet to stamped it out altogether.....

Personal Tax credits in Ireland are bigger than the UK. HSE retired staff should only be allowed to do voluntary work.

patwicklow · 28-02-2012 06:03PM

New that would happen just new it.

nursextreme · 28-02-2012 06:04PM

We also continue to train and produce graduates for the export market who we block from entering the health service with restrictive embargo's. Another point of note is that these newly retired did so for purely economic reasons ultimately a better pension based on the years that the were getting fat off the years of gravy served up by unions/management. No Vision no change!

waster81 · 28-02-2012 06:38PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Same in this country. Once you use up your credits you pay tax.

This is retired HSE staff being re-hired by the HSE. Are there voluntary positions in the HSE?

Retired from the public service that would make them private workers

So they are now private sector workers being employed

Dont see whats wrong or what the point of the OP is

Maura74 · 28-02-2012 06:44PM

If these people are on a gravy train then if they want another job as they like working so much then they should do voluntary work or work in a supermarkets or do cleaning jobs that nobody else want to do this should keep them active. Or, if they are so rich on their pensions then they can go to the gym everyday and enjoy the money they have made over their working life and enjoy the rest of the time they may have got left on this planet. Shouds have no pockets so they cannot take the money with them.

Maura74 · 28-02-2012 06:50PM

UK has done away with default retirement age.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/sep/30/default-retirement-age-scrapped

nursextreme · 28-02-2012 06:56PM

Maura74 wrote: »

If these people are on a gravy train then if they want another job as they like working so much then they should do voluntary work or work in a supermarkets or do cleaning jobs that nobody else want to do this should keep them active.

Or emigrate! For "Lifestyle" reasons of course like all new graduates want to do apparently.

n97 mini · 28-02-2012 09:33PM

waster81 wrote: »

Retired from the public service that would make them private workers

If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.

twowheelsonly · 28-02-2012 09:44PM

n97 mini wrote: »

If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.

No more than an Agency employee or any Sub-Contractor depending on what kind of terms they're being re-employed under.

Strangely enough I predicted that this would happen 18 Months ago - in particular in relation to the HSE but also in other sectors. Many of the thousands that retired are relatively young and healthy but also very experienced. You can't have a recruitment embargo at the same time that you're wiping away your top level of experienced staff, particularly when your workload is staying the same or increasing. That's a fact whether you're running the HSE or a Construction company.

waster81 · 28-02-2012 10:44PM

n97 mini wrote: »

If they're working for and being paid by a public body, they're public sector.

Are you being serious, if an agency worker, sub contractor, professional organisation are hired by a public body that doesnt make them a public servant

They are private sector workers hired to do a job,

n97 mini · 29-02-2012 04:32PM

waster81 wrote: »

Are you being serious,

Read my post again. Hired by and paid by a public body equals public. Hired by and paid by an agency equals private.

waster81 · 01-03-2012 05:29PM

n97 mini wrote: »

Read my post again. Hired by and paid by a public body equals public. Hired by and paid by an agency equals private.

And who's paying the agencies - the public body

Just cutting out the middle man

I guess you would have no problem if they joined an agency and were then hired

n97 mini · 01-03-2012 11:30PM

waster81 wrote: »

And who's paying the agencies - the public body

Read the first post. No-one is paying the agencies, or anyone else.

Rehiring of retired staff?

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