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Song War 2: Master Of Puppets Vs Raining Blood

  • 07-04-2012 07:28PM
    #1
    Riddle101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,504 ✭✭✭


    Someone in the Bohemian Rhapsody Vs Stairway to Heaven thread, suggested this so I went with it. Which song do you prefer Master of Puppets by Metallica or Raining Blood by Slayer?

    Both songs are highly acclaimed and almost perfect in their own way. They were also brought out the same year as well. With Master of Puppets being brought out in March of 1986 and Reign In Blood in October of 86.

    Anyway I went it Master of Puppets. While I respect Slayer(Even though i'm not really a fan), and I do think the song is great. It just dosen't beat Master of Puppets for me. It just appeals to me more, and although this dosen't really have much to do with the song, I just think the Master of Puppets album is perfect in every way that it's a bonus for the song itself. But my choice is Master of Puppets.

    Which song do you prefer? 56 votes

    Master of Puppets
    0% 0 votes
    Raining Blood
    100% 56 votes


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  • #2
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    MoP for me. While I like Rain in Blood, its one dimensional. It has a very dark maniacal atmosphere and it's unrelentingly brutal but MoP has a greater variety of ideas and moods on display, the mellow guitar harmony section is what makes it for me, when you hear it you know you're listening to quality.


  • #3
    Lawrence1895
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,627 ✭✭✭Lawrence1895


    The album is called 'Reign in blood', 'Raining blood' is the last song on it. But never mind. My choice is in favor of Slayer


  • #4
    hidinginthebush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Raining blood is a whopper, those Eb triplets with the kick is probably my favourite riff of all time. Its so simple but effective, even as a short haired man it makes me headbang like a maniac, great album too! That said, master of puppets is flawless, there's so much more going on, like a lot of Metallica songs, there's numerous epic riffs in it, there's such a musical journey in it.

    I voted MoP this time. It's a tough call, they're both metal standards, but very different in their execution.


  • #5
    nyarlothothep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭nyarlothothep


    Lars1916 wrote: »
    The album is called 'Reign in blood', 'Raining blood' is the last song on it. But never mind. My choice is in favor of Slayer

    Cool, I stand corrected, I wouldn't be much of a Slayer fan in any case although the typo is down to spelling carelessness.


  • #6
    Angron
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    Raining Blood, easy. I've never been a Metallica fan, while Slayer is the only one of the Big Four I would listen to on an even close to regular basis.


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  • #7
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Agree with Denny on this one. Slayer all the way. While they're both amazing songs I feel like Raining just kicks its ass technically. I mean c'mon! Even for the intro alone...DUN DUN DUN......DUN DUN DUN.......DUN DUN DUN.......DUN DUN DUN.....WEH WEH WEH WEH WEHWEHWEH WEH WEH WEH.....bdbdbdbbddbdbdbdbdbdbdddbdbdbdddbdbdb (that's the double bass). Fantastic.

    EDIT: Too many votes for Metallica for my liking.... :(


  • #8
    Tarkus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Tarkus


    Master...Master......

    Just not that much of a Slayer fan.


  • #9
    chin_grin
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    Tarkus wrote: »
    Master...Master......

    Just not that much of a Slayer fan.

    Bu....bu....bu......but they're so much better! Aw this is why opinion sucks. :pac:

    Of course I kid. I can see that Metallica would be the most common 'gateway' and therefore 'safe' band to the lighter heavy metal. But Slayer just have the raw power and catharsis that death metal has. It's awesome. Still like Metallica, but if you were to put a gun to my head I'd still say Raining.


  • #10
    Tarkus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭Tarkus


    chin_grin wrote: »
    Bu....bu....bu......but they're so much better! Aw this is why opinion sucks. :pac:

    :p
    Of course I kid. I can see that Metallica would be the most common 'gateway' and therefore 'safe' band to the lighter heavy metal. But Slayer just have the raw power and catharsis that death metal has. It's awesome. Still like Metallica, but if you were to put a gun to my head I'd still say Raining.
    Was born & bred on the likes of Sabbath. When Slayer came out, I appreciated their 'raw power' but was never really won over. Props for what they bring to the table, just in smaller doses.

    Metallica is just more palatable to an old goof like me... ;)


  • #11
    chin_grin
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    Tarkus, can't argue with that!


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  • #12
    Lawrence1895
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    Tarkus wrote: »
    :p

    Was born & bred on the likes of Sabbath. When Slayer came out, I appreciated their 'raw power' but was never really won over. Props for what they bring to the table, just in smaller doses.

    Metallica is just more palatable to an old goof like me... ;)

    Ah well, I'm 42 next month, and I still love 'Reign in Blood', it's one of my all time faves. Which doesn't mean, MoP is bad, but I like 'Ride the lightning' a little bit more ;)


  • #13
    Somnus
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    I went for MoP for pretty much all the reasons nyarlothothep mentioned. It's just a more intricate song.

    And I woulda went with Angel of Death from Reign in Blood. I'd consider it the best song on the album by far


  • #14
    Max Power1
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    Master of puppets is a much better standalone song imo, and I would consider myself more a Slayer fan then a 'Tallica fan.


  • #15
    MetalDog
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    Tough call . . . . went with Master in the end just because there are more parts, more going in it, the slow part with the dual guitars has always been a favourite of mine. RiB is still class though.


  • #16
    Riddle101
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    Wow looks like it's becoming a landslide for Master of Puppets. In the other thread, the poll is at a draw. But it took a while for Stairway to Heaven to catch up so i'll give this one some time.


  • #17
    breffni666
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    Should this not be album wars rather than song wars?


  • #18
    Riddle101
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    breffni666 wrote: »
    Should this not be album wars rather than song wars?

    Nah I prefer song wars better. But by all means, nothing is stopping anyone else from making an album wars thread.


  • #19
    icarus86
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    I chose Master of Puppets. I love both bands but as a song Puppets is pretty near flawless!


  • #20
    lord lucan
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    chin_grin wrote: »
    Agree with Denny on this one. Slayer all the way. While they're both amazing songs I feel like Raining just kicks its ass technically. I mean c'mon! Even for the intro alone...DUN DUN DUN......DUN DUN DUN.......DUN DUN DUN.......DUN DUN DUN.....WEH WEH WEH WEH WEHWEHWEH WEH WEH WEH.....bdbdbdbbddbdbdbdbdbdbdddbdbdbdddbdbdb (that's the double bass). Fantastic.

    Might surprise a few people but i agree completely. Despite MOP being my favourite album of all time,i absolutely love RIB the song(and album too).

    The intro is one of the most atmospheric and iconic in metal. It's the song i often use when i want to introduce people to the music i listen to. I just want to go mental every time i hear the song tbh.


  • #21
    Max Power1
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    lord lucan wrote: »
    Might surprise a few people but i agree completely. Despite MOP being my favourite album of all time,i absolutely love RIB the song(and album too).

    The intro is one of the most atmospheric and iconic in metal. It's the song i often use when i want to introduce people to the music i listen to. I just want to go mental every time i hear the song tbh.
    One of the forum's resident metallica fanboys not picking them in a poll? Obvo :D


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  • #22
    slavetothegrind
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭slavetothegrind


    having picked myself up off the floor after seeing lord lucan's vote i have to agree,

    hairs on the back of the neck stuff from slayer.



    (suggestion for future: holy wars punishment due versus anything on the black album)


  • #23
    Malice
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    This is an easy choice for me. I'm not a fan of Slayer so my second favourite song off my second favourite Metallica album gets the vote.


  • #24
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Malice wrote: »
    This is an easy choice for me. I'm not a fan of Slayer so my second favourite song off my second favourite Metallica album gets the vote.

    :eek:

    But you're a mod...........of the Rock&Metal forum! :pac:

    SLAAAAAAAAAAYERRRRR!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XluRJ5E2hs


    "Alright, it's still 1981. Go!" "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH". Brilliant.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVI5_8yIdQM


  • #25
    Malice
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    chin_grin wrote: »
    :eek:

    But you're a mod...........of the Rock&Metal forum! :pac:
    There's plenty of rock & metal bands that I don't like but for Slayer in particular I just find their stuff sounds very dated, the vocals are awful, the lyrics seem clichéd and I just completely fail to see what the fuss is about. Admittedly if I'd gotten into them as a kid maybe I'd see them differently because I do hear the resemblance between Reign in Blood and Metallica's albums that were released around the same time but where Metallica's albums are classics because I've been listening to them on and off for over twenty years, Slayer stuff just doesn't do it for me.


  • #26
    demanufactured
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    Raining blood


  • #27
    colon
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    ^^^the good auld blinkered Metallica heads of old. Raining Blood to tear the flesh from your face any day


  • #28
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    colon wrote: »
    ^^^the good auld blinkered Metallica heads of old. Raining Blood to tear the flesh from your face any day

    I don't really agree with the first sentence. The second one though. Yes.


  • #29
    DrumSteve
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    Gotta be slayer for me...

    Master of puppets is just too...pondering. Raining Blood is to the point and doesn't let up at all.

    Plus I ****in hate the riff from MOP.


  • #30
    Malice
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    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Plus I ****in hate the riff from MOP.
    Which one?


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  • #31
    DrumSteve
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    Malice wrote: »
    Which one?

    The Main One... I cannot stand it. I am not even sure why it annoys me... it just does.


  • #32
    TheStickyBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭TheStickyBandit


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    The Main One... I cannot stand it. I am not even sure why it annoys me... it just does.

    Blasphemer!


    If I recall, it was I who suggested the pairing of these two songs.
    I voted for Slayer and I shall tell you why! It is probably the only song/album that I actually 'get' belonging to them. The blistering speed of the drumming and the constand use of the whammy bar by King just bores me. Anyone with a little bit of talent can be fast, it's just practice! I dont think groove and general funky-ness can be taught it's just in you or it isn't.

    I find Slayer to be very pretentious and forced. Rain in Blood is the only song I find enjoyable belonging to them. Therefore in this poll I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt this time eventhough Master is one of my favourites!


  • #33
    TEMPLAR KNIGHT
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    My votes for Master of puppets no contest. Raining blood has a class intro thats about it, master of puppets is a class song from start to finish.


  • #34
    Nailz
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    Master Of Puppets is a grand wee song, but, in my opinion, Raining Blood destroys it in more ways than one. Greater atmosphere, better riffs, class speed and just a savage sound to it. On top of the fact it sounds far more brutal and skull crushing than MOP. Master Of Puppets is like a lot of Metallica stuff I think, like it was mention before, they're Metal Light, I don't get any sort of mood from it, the sound is a bit of a null and their stuff can be quite boring with regards sound. Plus I find Hetfield's voice irritating at the best of times. Slayer are just class.

    Not taking anything away from MOP as a song or an album, there are better Metallica songs though.


  • #35
    TheStickyBandit
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    Nailz wrote: »
    Slayer are just class.

    If I could pick your brain if possible, could you elaborate on this please, as I am baffled? What is it I'm not seeing/hearing?:confused:

    Cheers!


  • #36
    Otis Driftwood
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    I went for Raining Blood,only just mind.

    Both are two different tracks,both are exceptional but RB just edges it for me.Everytime I hear the opening I literally get shivers down my spine.MoP,while a fantastic track,is a little over long imo.

    Still and all,very hard to separate em.


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  • #37
    hidinginthebush
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    TheStickyBandit wrote: »
    Nailz wrote: »
    Slayer are just class.

    If I could pick your brain if possible, could you elaborate on this please, as I am baffled? What is it I'm not seeing/hearing?:confused:

    Cheers!

    If I was to chime in, what I love about them is they make little effort to be melodic, it's pretty much "fu@k you" from start to finish. I can see why people say they appeal more to teenagers, but I didn't really get into them until I was 23, when I gave seasons in the abyss album a proper listen, and I've been hooked since. Everything's just blistering fast, and you get the impression that if you don't like it, they don't care. That they've had the pleasure in one of the best drummers around in Dave Lombardo on board definitely helps. But its that attitude their music has, it's anti-establishment to the very core, singing about Satan and hell over chromatic riffs and double kick drums, it just feels like they're trying to please no one and loving it. Also, I think the video to seasons in the abyss is one of the coolest I've ever seen, slayer + pyramids = epic.


  • #38
    Nailz
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    TheStickyBandit wrote: »
    If I could pick your brain if possible, could you elaborate on this please, as I am baffled? What is it I'm not seeing/hearing?:confused:

    Cheers!
    T'is grand. Well, I quite simply love the sound, the speed, the total power and the atmosphere created in the music. Like in the track "Seasons In The Abyss", as mentioned before, the atmosphere created in the whole build up to the song right up to the highly sped up riffage involved in the middle, it's just an excellent sounding song too. That's what it's like for most of Slayer's song in my opinion.

    But, in fairness, I shouldn't have even answered your question, I wouldn't ask you why you like whatever stuff you like just because I wouldn't understand why you like it. It's a daft question. There's probably a lot of stuff that I like that you wouldn't, but I'd like to think that I can at least understand why you enjoy music that you like. It's on a par with a person who listens to "whatever's on the radio" asking a person who likes Metal or Improv Jazz or Avant Garde why they like it because they find it unpleasant to listen to.


  • #39
    TheStickyBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭TheStickyBandit


    hidinginthebush wrote: »
    it's anti-establishment to the very core.

    Aren't the members of slayer not married? and they were married in churches? Singing about satan isn't badass. Satan isn't real!
    Nailz wrote: »
    T'is grand. Well, I quite simply love the sound, the speed, the total power and the atmosphere created in the music. Like in the track "Seasons In The Abyss", as mentioned before, the atmosphere created in the whole build up to the song right up to the highly sped up riffage involved in the middle, it's just an excellent sounding song too. That's what it's like for most of Slayer's song in my opinion.

    But, in fairness, I shouldn't have even answered your question, I wouldn't ask you why you like whatever stuff you like just because I wouldn't understand why you like it. It's a daft question. There's probably a lot of stuff that I like that you wouldn't, but I'd like to think that I can at least understand why you enjoy music that you like. It's on a par with a person who listens to "whatever's on the radio" asking a person who likes Metal or Improv Jazz or Avant Garde why they like it because they find it unpleasant to listen to.

    A daft question? I hardly think so, many others in this thread share my confusion as to why this band is revered by so many!
    Thanks for your opinion on the matter all the same.
    "There's probably a lot of stuff that I like that you wouldn't", that's a little premature for you to say!
    I never said it was unpleasant to listen too either, just that I dont buy into the hype surrounding the band Slayer!


  • #40
    Nailz
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    TheStickyBandit wrote: »
    A daft question? I hardly think so, many others in this thread share my confusion as to why this band is revered by so many!
    That's quite alright, that very well maybe the case, I know that Malice isn't a big fan of Slayer in such a sense either, but I think such a question is unnecessary, whatever the answer may be, it is only really relevant to the person who is answering it, it's up to the person inquiring to make their own minds up on why a band or film or author could appeal to others.
    TheStickyBandit wrote: »
    Thanks for your opinion on the matter all the same.
    "There's probably a lot of stuff that I like that you wouldn't", that's a little premature for you to say!
    I never said it was unpleasant to listen too either, just that I dont buy into the hype surrounding the band Slayer!
    I never implied that you found Slayer unpleasant, if you read back I only used that as an example of what people say about metal in general. And with regards to saying that I probably like things that you wouldn't; I stand by that, because it's probably true. Don't take me wrong when I say that, I don't expect to like everything that you like either. You may like someone like Audioslave, Trivium or Joy Division (not saying you do), where as I definitely don't. I'm a big Avant Garde/Experimental fan, I don't expect anyone to like that if I'm honest.


  • #41
    Angron
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    I think the real question is; what shall we do for Song War 3?


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  • #42
    Nailz
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    Take a look for yourself. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056602764


  • #43
    LH Pathe
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    ... one edging the other out is one thing, but 3 to one, seriously? no wonder ive not bn over here in a fair ould while :/ prog noodlers will always prefer tallikur to slayer regardless. The climactic majesty of the ultimate in ceremonial bloodletting, gazoomped


  • #44
    TheStickyBandit
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    Nailz wrote: »
    That's quite alright, that very well maybe the case, I know that Malice isn't a big fan of Slayer in such a sense either, but I think such a question is unnecessary, whatever the answer may be, it is only really relevant to the person who is answering it, it's up to the person inquiring to make their own minds up on why a band or film or author could appeal to others.

    I never implied that you found Slayer unpleasant, if you read back I only used that as an example of what people say about metal in general. And with regards to saying that I probably like things that you wouldn't; I stand by that, because it's probably true. Don't take me wrong when I say that, I don't expect to like everything that you like either. You may like someone like Audioslave, Trivium or Joy Division (not saying you do), where as I definitely don't. I'm a big Avant Garde/Experimental fan, I don't expect anyone to like that if I'm honest.

    Point taken, however I did ask for your opinion and you gave it, so therefore it couldn't of been that daft:D

    I am also aware of Avant Garde and as with most genres of music, I like some and I dislike some also! I'm friends with a very high calibre bass player in Cork and he's forever putting me in touch with some mad stuff I'd never of came across myself, Richard Bona and Robben Ford being two i'm very impressed with lately (they're more 'free jazz' than AG but you get the picture!)


  • #45
    mackg
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    I'd take up puppets over RB, but the fact that I've seen Metallica live but not Slayer plays a part in that. Saying that though if it had been AoD nominated things would have different.


  • #46
    Kev_2012
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    I love Slayer more than any band in the world and just can't get enough of their songs. I really do love MoP too but Raining Blood is much better for me.

    I am very biased though!


  • #47
    Motley Crue
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    Too great songs that shouldn't be separated at all, yet I chose Raining Blood, because Master of Puppets seemed (for me anyway) to have the most vocal support on this thread and the competition between these too should be tighter then what I'm seeing here


  • #48
    Mental Mickey
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    Two completely different but totally intense songs. One is short & brutal, the other is complex and meandering, but no less brutal.


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