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Dublin Marathon 2012 - 'Improvers' thread
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14-05-2012 07:38AM#1
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Ah this is great Ray think ill fall into this category, this will be my second marathon and i'm going with Hal Hingdon Intermediate 1or2 (not sure yet) aiming for 3:40. Whats everyone elses hopes for the 2012 summer of running
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doledude86 wrote: »Ah this is great Ray think ill fall into this category, this will be my second marathon and i'm going with Hal Hingdon Intermediate 1or2 (not sure yet) aiming for 3:40. Whats everyone elses hopes for the 2012 summer of running:D:D
How does 3.40 fit in with your last marathon time, have you been running since or just getting back into it......
For my 3rd Marathon I would love a sub 4, but coming from DCM 2010 - 4.41 to DCM 2011 - 4.27, I don't know if it will be achievable so 4.10/4.15 might be secondary aim..... at the minute, but it will all depend on how training goes.:rolleyes:
I'm at this stage hoping to do P&D(18 week up to 55m), but the only issue is that there are some longish runs in the middle of the week, so if i can fit them in then thats the plan!!0 -
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sunflowerRo wrote: »I suppose we can take a vote and see what the general consensus is. I can't make any promises at this stage though.
well i better get your vote missy
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Yeah, its pretty intense alright. I'm having doubts about P&D myself. Not sure if this is the year to try it when I have a lot of work stuff on...
Having done P&D and HH Novice 1, I actually think P&D is an easier plan.
The reason being is that P&D teaches you to do the majority of your runs very slowly, with only some of your runs at Half Marathon Pace and parts of some of your long runs at Marathon pace. As a novice I did most of my long runs at Marathon pace and nearly all my short runs at faster than that pace. I don't think I enjoyed too many of those runs...
Yes the lingo can be a bit initmidating at first, but what he they are actually telling you is to slow down and learn to enjoy your runs. When I learned to run at a proper recovery pace (by using the HR zone P&D prescribed) I started to really fall in love with running. I still really enjoy my easy and recovery runs to this day 0 -
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It's funny you should say that meno. I'm convinced I have to run at sub 9 min miles for every single run I do. I did my first real 'recovery' run on mon at around 10 min mile and I actually loved it. But I felt I was going that slow that everyone was staring at me wondering why I was crawlingYeah, its pretty intense alright. I'm having doubts about P&D myself. Not sure if this is the year to try it when I have a lot of work stuff on...
As a novice I did most of my long runs at Marathon pace and nearly all my short runs at faster than that pace. I don't think I enjoyed too many of those runs...:D
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sunflowerRo wrote: »It's funny you should say that meno. I'm convinced I have to run at sub 9 min miles for every single run I do. I did my first real 'recovery' run on mon at around 10 min mile and I actually loved it. But I felt I was going that slow that everyone was staring at me wondering why I was crawling
Yeah, you feel a bit like that at the start alright but just tell yourself you could blitz them if you had to 0 -
sunflowerRo wrote: »It's funny you should say that meno. I'm convinced I have to run at sub 9 min miles for every single run I do. I did my first real 'recovery' run on mon at around 10 min mile and I actually loved it. But I felt I was going that slow that everyone was staring at me wondering why I was crawling
Yeah, you feel a bit like that at the start alright but just tell yourself you could blitz them if you had to
I might get a sign or something for those days..... 'recovery run in progress' just so everyone's clear 0 -
sunflowerRo wrote: »I might get a sign or something for those days..... 'recovery run in progress' just so everyone's clear
You could always just shout at them as they go past you.
'Hey! I'm only doing a recovery run alright! Normally I'd be much faster' :cool:0 -
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sunflowerRo wrote: »But I felt I was going that slow that everyone was staring at me wondering why I was crawling
I though i was the only one thinking that about my "recover" & LSR runs at first:oYeah, you feel a bit like that at the start alright but just tell yourself you could blitz them if you had to
I like that idea Memo, but I was told once that its none of my business what anyone else thinks about me...so now i just don't thinksunflowerRo wrote: »I might get a sign or something for those days..... 'recovery run in progress' just so everyone's clear
New Business venture:D0 -
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I like that idea Memo, but I was told once that its none of my business what anyone else thinks about me...so now i just don't think
I was only messing of course. In truth no-one really cares about how fast you are running on a saturday morning in the park.
That said you learn to take some satisfaction from the fact that you are doing it right and that your times are improving. I have often recognised guys charging past me in training runs and LSR's panting and puffing, because I remember passing them in races.
I'd be lying if I didn't get a tiny sense of smug satisfaction from that 0 -
I was only messing of course. In truth no-one really cares about how fast you are running on a saturday morning in the park.
That said you learn to take some satisfaction from the fact that you are doing it right and that your times are improving. I have often recognised guys charging past me in training runs and LSR's panting and puffing, because I remember passing them in races.
I'd be lying if I didn't get a tiny sense of smug satisfaction from that
im with you on that, but at the begininning i use to think that people were looking as how slow i was going...now it doesn't matter and i don't think about anyone elses pace.
I get even more satisfaction when someone passes you in a race, and then i pass them back out in the last 100m:D:D0 -
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I guess I'll join the party.
I've signed up for DCM 2012. I haven't ran this before but did Chicago in scorching temps last October and Berlin in the pi$$ing rain the previous year.
Here's hoping for something in between in Dublin
Target - breaking the 4 hour mark. Should have hit that in Chicago but the weather (Sun and Heat) knocked me for six and I struggled/ dragged myself home in 4:24 Completely blew up from mile 17.
Don't have my plan in place yet. Toying with the P&D 55 plan or a modified HH Intermediate 2/ Advance 1. All suggestions and recommendations welcome.0 -
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Actually the real problem is that Thursday is missing from Anne's week above In week 1 there should be a 9 mile General Aerobic run on thursday
Ye that was a test to see if anyone was paying attention:eek::eek:
| 17|16|15|14|13|12(Recovery)
Thursday| General Aerobic 9m/14km|General Aerobic 10m/16km| Lactate threshold 8m/13km wit 4m/6km @ 15k - HMP| GA 10m/16| GA 10m/16km| GA 8m/13KM
Barry i didn't make Meath running group again tonight. 2 of the kids have Scarlet Fever so they are housebound and not liking it!!0 -
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Actually the real problem is that Thursday is missing from Anne's week above In week 1 there should be a 9 mile General Aerobic run on thursday
:pac::pac::pac::pac::o
Dave, I've only followed 2 plans, the Higdon Novice and P&D <55 and come to think of it I didn't even follow P&D properly, I just used it for the progression of long runs. But I did think it was good.0 -
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sunflowerRo wrote: »Oh no Anne. You're not serious. The poor mites, and poor you
Thanks for posting up the PandD plan. Very good of you
It will make the running all the more necessary/enjoyable when i can get back to it at the weekend....;)0 -
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Signed up for the DCM (and 10k/10mile) last week. Finished last year in 3.59.48, aiming for 3.30 this year. I was just looking at the Hal Higdon plans there - I will do either the Novice2 or Intermediate1. The club also mentioned that they have a plan starting in June, but I think I will need to start a bit earlier because of holidays and specific weekends in September that I will not be able to run.
Look forward to nagging Ray again this year with silly questions 0 -
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