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Lance armstrong drops fight against doping charges

  • 24-08-2012 04:55AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭


    Lance Armstrong has dropped the fight against doping charges against him. This means he will be stripped of his seven tour titles and his olympic bronze medal. :eek::eek:

    He never tested positive in any test however several ex-team mates were lined up to testify against him.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sp...ce-titles.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,978 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    Given the bloke has fought through all sorts of adversity including cancer to prolong his career it's a bit suss that he's giving up on clearing his name.

    I'd say he's guilty but we'll probably never know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    Has he made much money? Does he get to keep that?

    If the answer to both questions is yes I'm sure he'll survive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I'd say he's guilty but we'll probably never know.
    Of course we know, everyone competing in the sport at that level is doping. It's an absolute farce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭Guill


    He's guilty but now it'll never be officially 'proven'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭Sparks43


    Im sure he just got a pain in his balls with all of it.


    :pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    I froze dried one of his nuts.
    I keep it in a glass case now and stare at it frequently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    so who would get the tour de france titles?

    Jan Ullrich (who finished 2nd to him a good few times) a man who was brought up in the east german doping culture and was actually banned for drugs during his career.

    Best thing would be just to void the races for those years:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Hmmm Call me stupid but.....

    Why would would the American U.S. Anti-Doping Agency want to screw up the legacy of one of its own athletes... "Witch hunt" if there is no evidence

    Is there some evidence he took illegal substances? Ok Can i see it maybe?

    Did he or did he not take all their drug tests? He says he did........

    Im kinda not getting this whole thing lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    so in dogeball they could have just doped themselves up instead?

    so much for your speech


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Paul Kimmage just did a sex wee.

    Armstrong had no way out this time, the mountain of evidence got too big when his former teammates turned witness against him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,764 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    If they're all on drugs it's a level playing field,whats the problem.His team mates turning against him after all this time definitely looks suspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Hmmm Call me stupid but.....

    Why would would the American U.S. Anti-Doping Agency want to screw up the legacy of one of its own athletes... "Witch hunt" if there is no evidence

    Is there some evidence he took illegal substances? Ok Can i see it maybe?

    Did he or did he not take all their drug tests? He says he did........

    Im kinda not getting this whole thing lol

    The whole things seems to be going on suspicion and eyewitness accounts. There seems to be a string of people ready to testify and he failed one drug test before but was able to show a backdated percription from his doctor. so the little things add up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    ronan45 wrote: »
    Is there some evidence he took illegal substances? Ok Can i see it maybe?l
    Well if LA had continued to fight the charges, i'm sure that the evidence these charges are based on would have been published. But now that he is no longer challenging the allegations, the evidence may never make its way into the public domain....which is probably why he is dropping his challenge....and that i'm afraid, speaks volumes.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Of course we know, everyone competing in the sport at that level is doping. It's an absolute farce.
    To be sure cycling is very dubious for doping and has been for a long time. Back in the day, before the mid 80's it was mostly amphetamines etc to keep them upright in the saddle as the toll on the body was and is unreal compared to other sports. Especially back in the days of small enough money and near daily racing not just the big tours. Most of the greats in cycling back then were implicated, caught or admitted it outright. Jaques Anquetil a monster of a cyclist, who unlike your Lances of the world competed throughout the season and not just aimed at the tour de france, he said that all the riders doped(with speed) and that you'd have to be mad to think anyone could do what they did without it. Problem was a couple of them died from it.

    The diff came from the mid 80's onwards. Speed etc isn't much of a performance enhancer. In the sense that there's no way it's going to turn a carthorse into a racehourse, it'll just keep the carthorse going. It's still a level playing field. Drugs like EPO actually improve physical performance and can do so markedly and different people react in different ways. Some can make huge improvements on that stuff and win where they otherwise wouldn't have.

    It was as clear as the nose on your face there was something other than water in his water bottle. When you see someone built for spinting/time trialling hammering specialised climbers on mountain stages you think GTFO. When you see damn near all his ex teammates done for doping and he expected us to believe he as the team leader was clean, you think GTFO. When his name is connected with dopers and suppliers and "doctors" in a cynical drive to win the Tour for the US of A and his backers, you think GTFO. When you see him play the cancer violin or the anti American bleat to deflect the accusations you think GTFO. In short Lance Armstrong, GTFO.

    He'll still get support in the US. The mouthbreathers among them will refuse to admit he dopes. Doping in sport in the US is as bad or worse than it ever was in the old Soviet bloc(they dope in baseball FFS), they're just better at covering it up and backing their dopers. Fair play to the few yanks that have kept the anti doping pressure on, this day will be a nice reward for them.

    It's not just cycling either. Not by a long shot. It just had the beady eye on it because it was sooooo obvious. IMHO there are bugger all in athletics that are clean and near zero among the consistent winners.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45


    Well if LA had continued to fight the charges, i'm sure that the evidence these charges are based on would have been published. But now that he is no longer challenging the allegations, the evidence may never make its way into the public domain....which is probably why he is dropping his challenge....and that i'm afraid, speaks volumes.

    Is there something stopping them publishing the evidence even if he drops his legal challenge? Or must this evidence be kept hidden now that he no longer wants to challenge?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,305 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Newstalk had a guest on David Walsh. He was sounding very superior a I told you so attitude. But he was asked how had Armstrong not failed all the drugs test par the 1st Tour De France. He basically said the testers may not have watted to show a positive test so doctored it. If this is so do the anto doping organisation have something to say. Were various people and organisations banking on Armstrong quiting the fight rather than having a public tribunal and there may be some relieved people.

    Have the American the authority to strip him of all titles and ban worldwide or does this now go to the international anti doping do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭ronan45




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the anto doping organisation.
    They're based up in Tallaght aren't they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Hasmunch wrote: »
    Lance Armstrong has dropped the fight against doping charges against him. This means he will be stripped of his seven tour titles and his olympic bronze medal. :eek::eek:

    He never tested positive in any test however several ex-team mates were lined up to testify against him.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sp...ce-titles.html

    were the accusations sour grapes? he was one of the most tested athletes in the world and they never found anything yet the accusations still persisted. why?
    he was an inspiration for many folks of how you can come back from the edge and win.

    Live Strong.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Reports this morning said he received 9 1/2 million in bonus payments alone for winning the Tours and that the company is looking for that back. Also said that he failed a test after his first tour win but then produced a back dated prescription. Awful for the sport and perhaps people he inspired, seems rife with it.

    In some ways if you liked him as a sportmans and a person who achieved what seemed amazing results it is so disheartening for it to end like this. Some ways comparable if Usain Bolt was found guilty of doping, 2 billion people watched him claim gold a few weeks back, I know if it came out he was a cheat I'd feel fairly hard done by.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭BarnhallBull


    If you were known as the best of all time, at anything, and were being falsely accused of cheating would you ever stop trying to clear your name?

    No, me neither.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭buck65


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    were the accusations sour grapes? he was one of the most tested athletes in the world and they never found anything yet the accusations still persisted. why?
    he was an inspiration for many folks of how you can come back from the edge and win.

    Live Strong.

    By doping?

    I would rather my heros play by the rules and have some integrity.

    Armstrong is a cheat. Always was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    If you were known as the best of all time, at anything, and were being falsely accused of cheating would you ever stop trying to clear your name?

    No, me neither.

    the accusations have been going on for more than 13 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    were the accusations sour grapes? he was one of the most tested athletes in the world and they never found anything yet the accusations still persisted. why?
    he was an inspiration for many folks of how you can come back from the edge and win.

    Live Strong.

    He was nothing but a run of the mill team cyclist for years, I remember him getting a Stage victory for the team he rode for the day after one of their cyclists died years ago. Then he got cancer, recovered (fair play to him) and came back as Superman, it was obvious he was on drugs and tbh I'm actually delighted he's been caught. However I can never take cycling serious anymore, it seems to me they are all on something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭Swampy


    mackg wrote: »
    Has he made much money? Does he get to keep that?

    If the answer to both questions is yes I'm sure he'll survive.
    Armstrong’s decision, according to the World Anti-Doping Code, means he will be stripped of his seven Tour titles, the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympics and all other titles, awards and money he won from August 1998 forward.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭buck65


    Maybe Fr Brian Darcy and Mickey Harte should organise a rally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    look, I say make it fair - put them all on drugs - then watch them compete - it would be a lot more entertaining and they would all be on the level playing field. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭BarnhallBull


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    the accusations have been going on for more than 13 years.

    What's your point? Like I said, if the accusations against me and my reputation were false, then I'd keep fighting to clear my name, no matter how many years it took. Wouldn't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    look, I say make it fair - put them all on drugs - then watch them compete - it would be a lot more entertaining and they would all be on the level playing field. :D

    I know you said that in jest, but its not as simple as let them all on drugs, because if so it becomes a game of chicken. Who has the nerve to take the most drugs or the best drugs to avoid the testers, to know that the drugs their on may win them the tour de france but could kill them win they are 40 years old. This person could then be beat by the guy who drops dead of a heart attack while standing at the top of the podium on the champs elysees.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭V_Moth


    look, I say make it fair - put them all on drugs - then watch them compete - it would be a lot more entertaining and they would all be on the level playing field. :D

    Except we don't really have an idea about the long-term effects of using those substances. Look at roid rage for example.


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