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What constitutes "natural sex"

  • 27-08-2012 09:29AM
    #1
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭


    So a common assertion by the anti-gay rights crowd (or whatever they want to call themselves) is that homosexual sex, and therefore homosexuality, is not natural and is therefore wrong or less deserving of recognition or protection under law.

    Obviously in this context, vaginal penetration by a penis is considered the gold standard of what constitutes "natural".

    But what else, if anything, constitutes "natural sex."

    For the sake of avoiding the usual rhetoric about homosexuality, we'll assume anal sex between two men fits into the "unnatural" category (assuming one exists).

    But is anal sex between a man and woman equally unnatural?

    And what about blow jobs and other forms of oral sex? It's not like the mouth was designed for penetration by a penis!
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  • #2
    frag420
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    Anything but the bum!!:D


  • #3
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I think you answered your own question. Aren't you the smart boy.


  • #4
    FatherLen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    if it says it's ok in the bible then they're alright with it.

    heaven forbid they would have to think these things out for half a second.


  • #5
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Dogs shag people's legs so that's natural too.


  • #6
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    There are 2 criteria for whats "natural"
    1 - It should fit in the hole
    2 - the owner of the hole should consent to it being stuck in there

    There's no need for any other criteria


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  • #7
    FearDark
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭FearDark


    Some people ride animals. Sheep etc.

    >.>

    <.<


  • #8
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,975 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    In a world where you can get from Dublin to Galway in 2 hours and Dublin to New York in 7 hours, anyone that posts their claims on a global network of machines constructed of plastic and silicon about what is "natural" is talking absolute nonsense

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  • #9
    juan.kerr
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    Does munting fall under natural sex?


  • #10
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Freud's theory of Perversion says that anything sexual that does not involve vaginal penetration by a penis is perverted and unnatural including kissing.


  • #11
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Love2love wrote: »
    Freud's theory of Perversion says that anything sexual that does not involve vaginal penetration by a penis is perverted and unnatural including kissing.

    So munting is okay?


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  • #12
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,220 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    So munting is okay?

    You're a bit obsessed with munting.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #13
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    Love2love wrote: »
    Freud's theory of Perversion says that anything sexual that does not involve vaginal penetration by a penis is perverted and unnatural including kissing.
    Freud knew fcuk all, no harm to him.


  • #14
    Ted!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Ted!


    Well, blow jobs are only natural if you happen to have a clitoris in your throat - like in that documentary about that Lovelace woman.


  • #15
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Where To wrote: »
    Freud knew fcuk all, no harm to him.

    He knew how to spank Kiera Knightley's arse.


  • #16
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    mango salsa wrote: »
    You're a bit obsessed with munting.

    Hardly. I asked about it twice in one thread.

    Having said that, I read yesterday that it originated in Dusseldorf, Germany. Can anyone confirm this?


  • #17
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Hardly. I asked about it twice in one thread.

    Having said that, I read yesterday that it originated in Dusseldorf, Germany. Can anyone confirm this?

    Yes.


  • #18
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,220 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Hardly. I asked about it twice in one thread.

    Having said that, I read yesterday that it originated in Dusseldorf, Germany. Can anyone confirm this?

    Thats three times now

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #19
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    floggg wrote: »
    What constitutes "natural sex"
    Well going by the animal kingdom, shagging any female you can get your hands on who is "in season" or males just for fun or dominance in the case of some animals, judging by fish jerking off all over the place and hoping a stray egg happens to find your "produce" and by the plant kingdom getting birds and insects to transport your load to a receptive female.
    Judging by humans, just enjoying yourself and not hurting anyone (unless that happens to be the desire of both parties ;)).


  • #20
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Thats three times now

    You're once,
    Twice,
    Three times a munter


  • #21
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Thats three times now

    Whose counting?


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  • #22
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Where To wrote: »
    Freud knew fcuk all, no harm to him.

    Oh I agree...

    Natural / Unnatural - Man on Man whatever - who cares. I thought we now lived in a time where you are not judged on who or what you choose to engage in a sex act with. I think it more weird for someone to be hung up on it


  • #23
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    mango salsa wrote: »
    You're a bit obsessed with munting.

    Hardly. I asked about it twice in one thread.

    Having said that, I read yesterday that it originated in Dusseldorf, Germany. Can anyone confirm this?
    I thought munting was the fancy colored stuff you see in petrol station forecourts.


  • #24
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Did anyone catch the first episode of the new spoof detective series 'A Touch of Cloth' on Sky One last night?

    I thought the father was heading for a spot of munting when he started kissing and licking the corpse during the formal identification.


  • #25
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Where To wrote: »
    I thought munting was the fancy colored stuff you see in petrol station forecourts.

    munting != bunting

    For more information please see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munting


  • #26
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    There is nothing natural about human sex, its c complete fukc up.


  • #27
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Where To wrote: »
    I thought munting was the fancy colored stuff you see in petrol station forecourts.

    I had to go to urban dictionary and see what it meant... I'm offically old


  • #28
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Colmustard wrote: »
    There is nothing natural about human sex, its c complete fukc up.
    Unless we aren't part of nature everything we do is natural.


  • #29
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Where To wrote: »
    I thought munting was the fancy colored stuff you see in petrol station forecourts.

    Silly Bunt.... :D


  • #30
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    Unless we aren't part of nature everything we do is natural.

    But we are not, our cognitive abilities and culture lifts us above the evolutionary process.

    Posting this on this machine while clothed in this complex shelter is not an evolutionary process. Culture is not an evolutionary process.

    Most times, I conjecture and say 95% of the time we do not have sex to procreate. He have it for jollies.


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  • #31
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Well if the glove penis fits...


  • #32
    CL7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    munting != bunting

    For more information please see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munting

    Please tell me someone made that word up and it's not actually real. Please.


  • #33
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Ted! wrote: »
    Well, bow jobs are only natural if you happen to have a clitoris in your throat - like in that documentary about that Lovelace woman.

    wtf is a bow job


  • #34
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Ted! wrote: »
    Well, bow jobs are only natural if you happen to have a clitoris in your throat - like in that documentary about that Lovelace woman.

    wtf is a bow job
    No idea but I real want one. I think it's what Bill Clinton received in the oval office.


  • #35
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    wtf is a bow job
    It's when someone ties a bow around your bits and pulls on the strings to give you a ****. All the cool kids are doing it now that ear sex proved damaging.


  • #36
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Colmustard wrote: »
    But we are not, our cognitive abilities and culture lifts us above the evolutionary process.

    Posting this on this machine while clothed in this complex shelter is not an evolutionary process. Culture is not an evolutionary process.

    Most times, I conjecture and say 95% of the time we do not have sex to procreate. He have it for jollies.
    You using clothes and a computer are the result of an evolutionary process ie, the development of your brain. Your house is no more un-natural than is a birds nest, and us using our brains to make a computer is no more unnatural than a chimpanzee using its to strip a twig and dig out ants with it.

    Bonobos have sex for fun and other reasons not connected with procreation, are they being unnatural?


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  • #37
    seantorious
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    There are 2 criteria for whats "natural"
    1 - It should fit in the hole
    2 - the owner of the hole should consent to it being stuck in there

    There's no need for any other criteria

    From reading my friendly neighborhood bible consent is considered optional


  • #38
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I never understand why people are concerned about what other people get up to sexually. If I want to have sex with a 90 year old man who is consenting its nobody's business.

    Please no PMs about this.


  • #39
    Colmustard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Colmustard


    Cú Giobach wrote: »
    You using clothes and a computer are the result of an evolutionary process ie, the development of your brain. Your house is no more un-natural than is a birds nest, and us using our brains to make a computer is no more unnatural than a chimpanzee using its to strip a twig and dig out ants with it.

    But that is it once the brain and culture developed it was no longer the survival of the fittest, our specie destiny is no longer decided by mortality. There are kids alive today who will reproduce but should not if evolution was the only factor.

    Culture places us above our biological programming and continues to do so. I can't do as I want with physical might alone. Culture makes us a very political animal, that is not natural, that is culture.

    Other social animals are political and form alliances but only for physical might.


  • #40
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    smash wrote: »
    It's when someone ties a bow around your bits and pulls on the strings to give you a ****. All the cool kids are doing it now that ear sex proved damaging.

    Indeed, aural sex is un-christian.


  • #41
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I never understand why people are concerned about what other people get up to sexually. If I want to have sex with a 90 year old man who is consenting its nobody's business.

    Please no PMs about this.

    PM sent.


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  • #42
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Colmustard wrote: »
    But that is it once the brain and culture developed it was no longer the survival of the fittest, our specie destiny is no longer decided by mortality. There are kids alive today who will reproduce but should not if evolution was the only factor.
    This is about "using the tools evolution has provided" whether that is us using our brain or a lion using its claws.
    Culture places us above our biological programming and continues to do so. I can't do as I want with physical might alone. Culture makes us a very political animal, that is not natural, that is culture.
    Our culture is part of our evolution as a social species, only people who imagine we are somehow "above" or not part of nature could call this natural development of our species "unnatural".
    Other social animals are political and form alliances but only for physical might.
    They do it due to an evolutionary adaptation for their survival as a species.


  • #43
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    Love2love wrote: »
    Where To wrote: »
    Freud knew fcuk all, no harm to him.

    Oh I agree...

    Natural / Unnatural - Man on Man whatever - who cares. I thought we now lived in a time where you are not judged on who or what you choose to engage in a sex act with. I think it more weird for someone to be hung up on it

    This a a forum to discuss topics, one is being discussed now. The topic is what constitutes natural sex, people who find it interesting I would suggest care.


  • #44
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    In before doggy style?

    AH, I am disapoint


  • #45
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    This a a forum to discuss topics, one is being discussed now. The topic is what constitutes natural sex, people who find it interesting I would suggest care.

    Wow!! Back in your box there.....

    I have no problem with any boardsies that are discussing it, it the anti-gay crowd or whatever they call themselves that I have a problem with. Anyone who feels that strongly about the sexuality of others and are in a crowd called anti-gay that I have a problem with.


  • #46
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Love2love wrote: »
    Oh I agree...

    Natural / Unnatural - Man on Man whatever - who cares. I thought we now lived in a time where you are not judged on who or what you choose to engage in a sex act with. I think it more weird for someone to be hung up on it

    I would agree. As long as there is (informed) consent by all involved I don't think it's anybody's business what somebody gets up to in the bedroom.

    I always hear this "unnatural" argument used against homosexuality though, and have wondered whether the person saying that believes that blow jobs are also wrong for example.

    Lots of times, the "traditional sexual morality" view is seen as something great when it's applied to other peoples sex lives.

    But are you telling me that all these people against gay sex are also against oral sex or anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples?

    And if not, surely it's a tad hypocritical to be playing the natural card against only one group of people.


  • #47
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Love2love wrote: »
    Oh I agree...

    Natural / Unnatural - Man on Man whatever - who cares. I thought we now lived in a time where you are not judged on who or what you choose to engage in a sex act with. I think it more weird for someone to be hung up on it

    I would agree. As long as there is (informed) consent by all involved I don't think it's anybody's business what somebody gets up to in the bedroom.

    I always hear this "unnatural" argument used against homosexuality though, and have wondered whether the person saying that believes that blow jobs are also wrong for example.

    Lots of times, the "traditional sexual morality" view is seen as something great when it's applied to other peoples sex lives.

    But are you telling me that all these people against gay sex are also against oral sex or anal sex between consenting heterosexual couples?

    And if not, surely it's a tad hypocritical to be playing the natural card against only one group of people.


  • #48
    MisterEpicurus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭MisterEpicurus


    If anyone ever says something is "Unnatural", whether it be sex or whatever else, then ask them when they last took paracetamol or other drugs that have been manufactured in a laboratory. If they care about 'Nature' and 'Natural' so much, then they would refuse drugs and die as nature would intend. However, you'll find people will happily turn to 'unnatural' medical drugs in times of need. In other words, they're hypocrites.


  • #49
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    It's funny how so many people equate natural with good and unnatural with bad.


  • #50
    Cú Giobach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Cú Giobach


    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    It's funny how so many people equate natural with good and unnatural with bad.
    You could fill a bag with arsenic, uranium and lead, put a lovely picture of nice sunny green fields on it and quite correctly label it as "Containing all Natural" ingredients. :)


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