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Got my parts...er, now what?

  • 15-10-2012 02:24PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭


    Just took delivery of my first HWVS order, so now how do I put it all together? I've watched and read several different accounts of how to put together a PC, but I'm not sure which to pay most attention to - I'd go for the boards one above all else, but the link in the sticky is returning a 404. The newegg videos on youtube are pretty good, but is it really necessary to do an external build first (this was the only place I saw this approach, and I'm not sure I like the idea of 'shorting' anything electronic). I've read through Tom's Hardware and a similar account at Coding Horror.

    All of the builds I've read and watched are for specific mobos and cases (obviously enough) but I've got the general gist, is it just a matter of try, try, try and come back on here if I've got specific questions (more specific than 'where do I put this red square thingy?')


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,924 ✭✭✭✭ShadowHearth


    this what i used:



    built PC for myself with the help of this, and then had in in the background when building pc for "pc advice"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    I didn't do an external build first. If there had been a faulty part I wouldn't have minded pulling it apart again. Don't worry you'll be fine. Just take your time with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    corblimey wrote: »
    but is it really necessary to do an external build first
    You're best off putting the CPU, heatsink and ram onto the board before you put it into the case, it's just easier to do it that way, I've never hooked everything up to make sure it's working before putting it into the case though.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Andy!!


    Aye I'm gonna be the same as scumlord when I start my very first build this week :)

    I'm really super paranoid about frying my parts though! I got such a shock off my case when I unpackaged it my finger jolted. What needs to be done to full-proof a build against static electricity? I don't have one of those wrist bands. Is it the mobo and processor that are the only parts that are really prone to being killed by static electricity? Any guides for prevention on youtube or anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    Andy!! wrote: »
    Aye I'm gonna be the same as scumlord when I start my very first build this week :)

    I'm really super paranoid about frying my parts though! I got such a shock off my case when I unpackaged it my finger jolted. What needs to be done to full-proof a build against static electricity? I don't have one of those wrist bands. Is it the mobo and processor that are the only parts that are really prone to being killed by static electricity? Any guides for prevention on youtube or anything?

    Bolt the psu in the case first and plug the psu into the wall..Your case is now grounded...

    Wooden floor and rubber shoes is good too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Right, it's alive, sort of. I turn it on, the fans spin up, there's an LED on the gpu, but nothing happens on screen. I've tried plugging the monitor directly into the motherboard rather than the gpu, but still nothing. If the fans spin, is that any proof that I haven't nonced up a connection somewhere (the 24-pin and 8-pin connectors were particularly tricky to connect, and I don't want to go through all that again).

    I've reseated the RAM and it appears to be fine - I've also tried each stick in isolation without success.

    My mobo (this one) didn't appear to come with a speaker cable to plug in, so I've connected the HD Audio and plugged in a pair of headphones, but I'm not hearing any beeps to tell me what's wrong.

    What am I forgetting to do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭YuM


    You could remove the GPU & plug the monitor into the board - just to see if you get a post screen.

    failing that, double check the wee power switch / reset connectors from the case to the board.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    May sound silly but is the monitor switched on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    I'm not completely sure what a post screen is, but the monitor immediately goes to power saving mode when I plug it in to to the mobo with the gpu completely removed.

    Dwight, not at all silly, it's bound to be something dumbass like that, but yeah, the monitor comes, shows its little splash screen and then, as I said, goes to power saving mode.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭YuM


    The post screen in your case is a Big ASRock screen when the PC boots - (BIOS) have you double checked your system panel header connections, especially the power & reset ones. I had these connected the wrong way around on one PC and it was like a permanent reset - (no boot).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Yum, when you say the wrong way around, you mean you had the power switch on the reset pins and vice versa? It doesn't make any difference which way around the connector goes, right? As long as it's plugged into the right place? Tried switching them around, but nothing happened (literally, nothing, the light never came on and the fans never started spinning)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Well I didn't think it was possible, but I've made it worse. I unplugged all the power connectors and replugged them, and now the fans won't even spin up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    I hope you're plugging out the power when connecting any components.

    Have you got both power connectors on the motherboard - the 24-pin one and the 8 pin one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    I admit there was one occasion when the fans were spinning when I messed with the power connectors. Could I have done something bad in that split second? Is there a quick and easy way to check if I've blown something up?

    (PS I'm reasonably sure it's worked since I did that, but I can't be 100% sure)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    You can test the PSU by shorting two pins.

    http://www.overclock.net/t/96712/how-to-jump-start-a-power-supply-psu-test-a-power-supply-and-components

    Warning: Don't kill yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭YuM


    I'm kinda anxious waiting for the 'its still alive update' ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Well I'm still alive, but I've had to go to work (I took the morning off specially to get this up and running), so I'll try the shorting thing tonight. My main worry would be on that post you linked to, Monotype, the important picture of actually sticking the paper clip in, is missing :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    224681.gif

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/psu-voltmodding_5.html

    Basically the green one and any black one. Black is ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    YuM wrote: »
    I'm kinda anxious waiting for the 'its still alive update' ;)

    me too:cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Monotype, I've read both links now (tks for the pic), but I'm not sure what I expect to happen. I put a paperclip in touching the 2 wires at the same time - do they have to touch at exactly the same time, or should I touch ground first then the green one? Also, what's going to happen if my psu is ok - will I just hear it come to life, basically? I can then plug the connector back into the mobo?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    You touch them at the same time with a connected wire or paper clip. The PSU should switch on - the fan should spin up.

    You take it out again to switch it off.



    Skip to halfway through to get to the point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Ok, so eyebrows slightly singed :) but the fan is going around on the psu with the paperclip in place. Which proves ...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    The PSU is presumably working.

    Try just disconnecting everything. Leave the RAM and CPU in. Connect the 24-pin and 8 pin from the PSU.
    Then connect the headers (power switch etc.).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Ok, so all that's plugged in now is the 24 pin, the 8 pin, the power switch, reset and power leds. The heatsink and CPU are also connected. And...nothing. Yikes, have I fried my mobo?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Hmm, well maybe try disconnecting the power switch and just shorting (i.e., just run a screwdriver between them or something) the two power pins, so that the switch isn't a factor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    You did use the spacers between the case and motherboard right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Monotype wrote: »
    Hmm, well maybe try disconnecting the power switch and just shorting (i.e., just run a screwdriver between them or something) the two power pins, so that the switch isn't a factor.

    I've removed the mobo from the case and with both connectors still on, ran a screwdriver over every part of the system panel header. Silence.
    You did use the spacers between the case and motherboard right?

    Yep, that's partly why I took it out just to check, but if I understand the point of the risers correctly, now that it's sitting back on its box, it should power up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭uncle_sam_ie


    Is it possible to post some pictures?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Is it possible to post some pictures?

    Of my frustrated head? Sure!

    Oh, of the mobo? Sure, what do you need to see?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,802 ✭✭✭cml387


    I presume you've reseated the processor.
    Check that no pins were bent when you inserted it.
    Also that no heatsink compound is on any of the pins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Okay so, removed heatsink and took a look at cpu. Honestly, I can't tell if anything looks astray in here?

    GkfM1p9DfNQGuOThW-hzIkE0vGwW1SI0TzPvmzrLtkk?size=1280x960


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    corblimey wrote: »
    Okay so, removed heatsink and took a look at cpu. Honestly, I can't tell if anything looks astray in here?

    GkfM1p9DfNQGuOThW-hzIkE0vGwW1SI0TzPvmzrLtkk?size=1280x960

    Dude take a close look at the 3rd row of pins from the bottom and about half way across...looks like a bent pin there....or something is a bit out of shape

    If its bent you can straighten it with a credit card...But thats your call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Wow, going at it with a credit card was NOT a good idea. Now I've got a few more bent pins. :(:mad:. Is it me, am I too much of a half blind clumsy bollocks to make my own PC?

    I'm about 10 mins away from f**king the whole lot on adverts and going to PC f**kin World.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    A razor blade would have been better than a credit card....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    corblimey wrote: »
    Wow, going at it with a credit card was NOT a good idea. Now I've got a few more bent pins. :(:mad:. Is it me, am I too much of a half blind clumsy bollocks to make my own PC?

    I'm about 10 mins away from f**king the whole lot on adverts and going to PC f**kin World.

    Mate you will get it...just take your time and a shot or two of Jamison may help..:cool:


    Try a needle or a pin.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Just keep patient. It might seem like a nightmare load of problems now, but you'll be proud of your build yet and you'll have something far better than what you get from PC World. Stay calm and be careful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    We are all rooting for ya...you can do it.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Tks for all the msgs of support, but I've been at this cpu thing for the last hour with a cocktail stick, and I think I'm just spreading the bent pin area every time. Even if I get all the pins back up to where they were, when I tighten down the cpu holder, I think any bent pins are just going to return to whence the came?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    I feel your pain...Have been there before..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    dwighet wrote: »
    I feel your pain...Have been there before..

    So I should perserve, it will come good?

    Basically does it make any sense to call this mobo a lost cause and get a replacement? I can get the same again from komplett for about 96 euro, which is about all I'm going to spend on this machine to get it fixed. I'd rather spend another e100 and get a nice new machine out of it than trying to recoup any losses and have no machine. To be honest, I think my problems started way earlier than this bent pin - that may have been the cause of it not booting, but I did have power going to the mobo at some point, and I think I fiddled with the connectors once too often and messed up something there. I could spend another hour clearing up this flattened pins to no avail.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    corblimey wrote: »
    So I should perserve, it will come good?

    Basically does it make any sense to call this mobo a lost cause and get a replacement? I can get the same again from komplett for about 96 euro, which is about all I'm going to spend on this machine to get it fixed. I'd rather spend another e100 and get a nice new machine out of it than trying to recoup any losses and have no machine. To be honest, I think my problems started way earlier than this bent pin - that may have been the cause of it not booting, but I did have power going to the mobo at some point, and I think I fiddled with the connectors once too often and messed up something there. I could spend another hour clearing up this flattened pins to no avail.

    If you think the pins are straight enough and the cpu sits in snug and flush before tightening the clamp...I`d give it a go..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    dwighet wrote: »
    If you think the pins are straight enough and the cpu sits in snug and flush before tightening the clamp...I`d give it a go..

    At this point, it looks like I've lost a pin somewhere - there's hole that no longer appears to have a pin attached. I assume all the pins are important :rolleyes:

    I'm calling it a night here now, folks, extremely frustrating day. Maybe I should've paid the extra 20 quid to have hwvs make it?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Andy!!


    Keep going dude! Just be nimble like a fox ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    I'm giving up. The cpu holder is in a terrible state now. It looks like I've hit it with a hammer a few times. I just need to determine if my next step is a replacement mobo or a whole new pc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    What is it that you bought from HWVS? A complete new pc or parts for an upgrade?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    A complete new build.
    corblimey wrote: »
    Component|Item|Price|
    Processor|Intel Core i5-3570K Box, LGA1155|208.05|http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Socket+1155/56296/Intel+Core+i5-3570K+Box%2C+LGA1155.article?lb
    Motherboard|ASRock Z77 Pro4-M, Sockel 1155, mATX|84.96|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/DDR3/59321/ASRock+Z77+Pro4-M%2C+Sockel+1155%2C+mATX.article
    Memory|8GB-Kit Corsair Vengeance Low Profile schwarz PC3-12800U CL9|36.23|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=48850&agid=1193
    Graphics|ASUS EAH7770-DC-1GD5 V2, AMD Radeon HD 7770, 1GB, PCI-Express|114.54|http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Solid-State-Disk/46110/Crucial+M4+128GB+SSD+6%2C4cm+%282%2C5%29.article
    Storage|Crucial M4 256GB SSD 6,4cm (2,5")|164.60|http://www2.hardwareversand.de/Solid-State-Disk/46112/Crucial+M4+256GB+SSD+6%2C4cm+%282%2C5%29.article
    |WD Caviar Green 2TB Sata 6Gb/s x2|184.78|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46255&agid=1342
    |Asus DRW-24B1ST|19.03|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/59333/ASUS+DRW-24B5ST+Retail.article
    Enclosure|FRACTAL DESIGN Gehäuse Define Mini|83.19|http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?adp=0&aid=49191&agid=635&apop=5
    Power supply|Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 450W|43.18|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/400+-+500+Watts/30074/Super-Flower+Amazon+80Plus+450W.article
    Cooling|Thermalright True Spirit 120|25.29|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/Intel+AMD/52672/Thermalright+True+Spirit+120.article
    Cables|Good Connections® SATA 6Gb/s Anschlusskabel mit Metallclip, 0,5m|5.98|http://www2.hardwareversand.de/S-ATA/40676/Good+Connections%C2%AE+SATA+6Gb+s+Anschlusskabel+mit+Metallclip%2C+0%2C5m.article
    OS|Win7 Pro 64bit|129.00|http://www1.hardwareversand.de/OEM-Software/29178/MS+Windows+7+Pro+64bit+SB-Version+Englisch.article
    Delivery||18.99|
    Total||1167.81|

    (Not completely accurate, I swapped one of the 2TB for a 1TB and got Win Premium instead, but the innards are the same)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    What part of the country are you in?

    If your anywere near Thurles tipperary call over and we will slap it together.

    Once you get a new mobo of course..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Thanks dwighet, I'm in Cork, about 90mins away, so not ideal, but I may take you up on that offer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭dwighet


    corblimey wrote: »
    Thanks dwighet, I'm in Cork, about 90mins away, so not ideal, but I may take you up on that offer.

    no worries...Just sing out if you need a hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭corblimey


    Quick q: I applied thermal paste to the heatsink and cpu on Tuesday. It's still there, but do I need to clean it off and reapply since I removed the heatsink last night?


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