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Gender Equality

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  • #32
    Dravokivich
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    I believe it is to do with who the parties select to put forward?

    Tell that to the independents so.


  • #33
    Huckleberry Finn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Huckleberry Finn


    I think I used the word parties there.


  • #34
    smash
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    shopaholic01 wrote: »
    I think discrimination only occurs if equally suitable employees are paid different salaries.

    Well there's always other factors to this scenario like length of service, negotiation skills etc.


  • #35
    28064212
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    I believe it is to do with who the parties select to put forward.
    What percentage of independents who ran were women? What percentage of the women who ran were elected?

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  • #36
    Dravokivich
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    I think I used the word parties there.

    You did yeah, but we can't be neglecting the women who put themselves forward and didn't get in because of an overall sexist agenda to keep the women down now can we.


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  • #37
    shopaholic01
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    I believe it is to do with who the parties select to put forward.
    They will probably have to resort to putting forward 'token' female candidates to reach the quota, as very few women are interested in a career in politics. That in turn will deter serious female candidates from participating.


  • #38
    Huckleberry Finn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Huckleberry Finn


    shopaholic01 wrote: »
    They will probably have to resort to putting forward 'token' female candidates to reach the quota, as very few women are interested in a career in politics. That in turn will deter serious female candidates from participating.

    Evidence base?


  • #39
    shopaholic01
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    smash wrote: »
    Well there's always other factors to this scenario like length of service, negotiation skills etc.
    I know, the first line of my post mentioned experience etc. I just meant a situation where two equal employees are paid different salaries.


  • #40
    smash
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    You did yeah, but we can't be neglecting the women who put themselves forward and didn't get in because of an overall sexist agenda to keep the women down now can we.

    Imagine it now... Well John you got 4000 votes! Mary, you got 15... Congratulations Mary, you're in. Sorry John, we ran out of spots for blokes.


  • #41
    smash
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    Evidence base?

    This is constantly mentioned by experts and backed up by the stats on women who study politics or political subjects in college.


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  • #42
    shopaholic01
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    Evidence base?

    Observation of elections etc. here - candidates are mostly male, I'm not pushing a feminist agenda here. If fewer women are interested in a career in politics I don't see the point in quotas. Does the gender of a person matter more than their desire to do the job?


  • #43
    Where To
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    I buy my Y fronts in Next because they have all the lovely girls working there.

    What would I do if the lovely girls turned into fellas? :(


  • #44
    28064212
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    Evidence base?
    Percentage of independents who are women

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  • #45
    shopaholic01
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    Where To wrote: »
    I buy my Y fronts in Next because they have all the lovely girls working there.

    What would I do if the lovely girls turned into fellas? :(
    Skulk around in the shop fondling said Y fronts until one of the females is free to assist you, of course!


  • #46
    Bipolar Joe
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    If I miss out on a job because the employer was required to hire a chick by law I'm coming after you OP.


  • #47
    Huckleberry Finn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 ✭Huckleberry Finn


    49.95% of the population was female (2011) in Ireland.

    84% of members of parliament are male.

    Let's put this into perspective. Have a look at Norway's parliament. They considered 37% to be unequal and were worried about it. What makes us so different?
    NORWAY'S PARLIAMENT – NOT EQUAL
    We are approaching a general election in Norway. How equal will the gender balance in the new Storting (the Norwegian national parliament) be? Today, with women occupying 37 per cent of seats in the Storting, Norway has a poorer gender balance in its parliament than both Sweden and Rwanda! Ireland has 15% of women occupying seats in our parliament
    http://eng.kilden.forskningsradet.no/c52778/nyhet/vis.html?tid=52946


  • #48
    smash
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    49.95% of the population was female (2011) in Ireland.

    Out of that percentage, what percentage were old enough to even run for an election?


  • #49
    Mr Benevolent
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    biko wrote: »
    Men hire other men. They are also the type of men that look down on women, and black people.

    Don't forget Cork people.

    Anyway, this mandatory gender equality thing is ridiculous, you'd end up promoting people because it's mandatory and not because they're any good.


  • #50
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I think what people fail to realise it's that it been a gender inequality all the way up until now.
    Men's only private clubs, women cannot work or educate themselves, "type casting", etc etc

    Now that white men sit in all the positions of power in Irish society it's suddenly "gender inequality got me here, but I'm not moving for some bint".
    Of course the internet jokes about "women in the kitchen" also doesn't help boost girls' confidence, even though it's shown they are smarter and better than their male peers.


  • #51
    K-9
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    It probably could be effective in politics, bit like the old quota for Catholics in the PSNI in Northern Ireland. I'm not convinced it would be the best solution in the workplace though.

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  • #52
    shopaholic01
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    49.95% of the population was female (2011) in Ireland.

    84% of members of parliament are male.

    Let's put this into perspective. Have a look at Norway's parliament. They considered 37% to be unequal and were worried about it. What makes us so different?
    So 50.05% of the population are male. Look at the stats in other professions - teaching (primary and second level, nursing, childcare etc). Also take a look at the social welfare stats.


  • #53
    Cavehill Red
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    Huckleberry Finn wrote: »
    49.95% of the population was female (2011) in Ireland.

    84% of members of parliament are male.

    Let's put this into perspective.

    Let's put this into a DIFFERENT perspective. 90% of Irish prisoners are male. (http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/statistics_cri_prison_table7.html)
    Do you welcome the idea of quotas there also?


  • #54
    Bipolar Joe
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    biko wrote: »
    I think what people fail to realise it's that it been a gender inequality all the way up until now.
    Men's only private clubs, women cannot work or educate themselves, "type casting", etc etc

    Now that white men sit in all the positions of power in Irish society it's suddenly "gender inequality got me here, but I'm not moving for some bint".
    Of course the internet jokes about "women in the kitchen" also doesn't help boost girls' confidence, even though it's shown they are smarter and better than their male peers.

    I honestly don't think it has anything to do with equality. My Sister is assistant manager, all my employers have had female assistant managers and one was a female herself. They all worked for the job same as any dude. They were the best, so they got it (With the exception of the manager at Game Stop who did a course in management and sucked at the job). What does my Sister want to do? Be a teacher, where a lot of females work.

    Different genders go for different roles. It's not discrimination, and chastising people like me who just happen to be born with a cock for what people did in the past is just as offensive.


  • #55
    Huckleberry Finn
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    Cavehill Red:

    Please explain the relevance of this to the argument put forth regarding government/ boards/ committees.


  • #56
    K-9
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    Cavehill Red wrote: »
    Let's put this into a DIFFERENT perspective. 90% of Irish prisoners are male. (http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/statistics_cri_prison_table7.html)
    Do you welcome the idea of quotas there also?

    I'm just imagining judges trying to equal up the numbers, would make for a fun day in court though. Anto can go now because we've too many male drug dealers in prison.

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  • #57
    gallag
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    Women are less productive for a company in general due to pregnancy. Women can't help this and should not be punished for it, hell I would imagine they are glad to get back to work for a break after maternity leave, but for a small company facts are facts and it can be better to train a male to do a job.


  • #58
    28064212
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    biko wrote: »
    I think what people fail to realise it's that it been a gender inequality all the way up until now.
    Men's only private clubs, women cannot work or educate themselves, "type casting", etc etc

    Now that white men sit in all the positions of power in Irish society it's suddenly "gender inequality got me here, but I'm not moving for some bint".
    Of course the internet jokes about "women in the kitchen" also doesn't help boost girls' confidence, even though it's shown they are smarter and better than their male peers.
    And yet in areas where there are no "old boys clubs", such as independent politicians, women make the choice not to get involved.

    Gender quotas don't actually address the issues involved. Quotas make absolutely zero effort to encourage more women to get involved in politics. They make zero effort to break up old boys clubs' attitudes. They make zero effort to provide support to women who do get their foot in the door.

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  • #59
    Scanlas The 2nd
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    biko wrote: »
    I think what people fail to realise it's that it been a gender inequality all the way up until now.
    Men's only private clubs, women cannot work or educate themselves, "type casting", etc etc

    Now that white men sit in all the positions of power in Irish society it's suddenly "gender inequality got me here, but I'm not moving for some bint".
    Of course the internet jokes about "women in the kitchen" also doesn't help boost girls' confidence, even though it's shown they are smarter and better than their male peers.

    When was it shown that women are smarter than men?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but men consistently out score women at IQ tests on average?


  • #60
    Bipolar Joe
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    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    When was it shown that women are smarter than men?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but men consistently out score women at IQ tests on average?

    Don't ask, the answer is either that men are out scored or education is an old-boys club.


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  • #61
    shopaholic01
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    gallag wrote: »
    Women are less productive for a company in general due to pregnancy. Women can't help this and should not be punished for it, hell I would imagine they are glad to get back to work for a break after maternity leave, but for a small company facts are facts and it can be better to train a male to do a job.
    True equality would divide parental leave equally between both parents. Women would take time before and after delivery (as they give birth), men would take the second half of the leave.


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