Wilton Roundabout to be replaced with lights

AugustusMinimus · 21-11-2012 12:37PM #1

When will this utter madness end. Are they actually trying to grind Cork City to a complete stop ?

The traffic lights outside of Mahon Point are an absolute disaster and this junction will have to handle much more traffic. As it stands, there is no issue with traffic flow through this roundabout so just leave the bloody thing as it stands.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/11/19/wilton-road-roundabout-set-to-go/

Citizens of Cork will have to stand up to this. I can see absolute war about this.

guttenberg · 21-11-2012 12:42PM

Could they not integrate traffic lights into the roundabout if they think traffic flow is too slow. Surely would be much cheaper than digging the whole thing up?

AugustusMinimus · 21-11-2012 12:45PM

guttenberg wrote: »

Could they not integrate traffic lights into the roundabout if they think traffic flow is too slow. Surely would be much cheaper than digging the whole thing up?

Signalised roundabouts have a higher capacity than standard roundabouts. However, I'm not sure if this roundabout is big enough to that.

It's irrelevant anyways. Traffic flow at this junction is fine. Hardly ever see traffic here. Traffic in the area generally builds up outside of Four Star Pizza where the two lanes reduce to 2 and at both entrances to Wilton Shopping Centre.

Redisle · 21-11-2012 12:46PM

Ah christ. This really isn't needed. They could do with fixing the lines on the roundabout maybe (Going down glasheen road from Sarsfield road roundabout direction is badly defined) but that's about it!

Miscreant · 21-11-2012 12:50PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

When will this utter madness end. Are they actually trying to grind Cork City to a complete stop ?

The traffic lights outside of Mahon Point are an absolute disaster and this junction will have to handle much more traffic. As it stands, there is no issue with traffic flow through this roundabout so just leave the bloody thing as it stands.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/11/19/wilton-road-roundabout-set-to-go/

Citizens of Cork will have to stand up to this. I can see absolute war about this.

This was done in Galway City a while ago. By all accounts it has been a disaster and has increased the amount of time it takes to get from one side of the city to the other. I think they removed 3 roundabouts on the way into the city from the Galway airport side and replaced them with traffic lights and junctions instead.

AugustusMinimus · 21-11-2012 12:55PM

Miscreant wrote: »

This was done in Galway City a while ago. By all accounts it has been a disaster and has increased the amount of time it takes to get from one side of the city to the other. I think they removed 3 roundabouts on the way into the city from the Galway airport side and replaced them with traffic lights and junctions instead.

They've done this in Cork already.

Both outside St Finbarrs in Togher and outside Supervalu in Blackrock. It cause traffic chaos in Togher and the roundabout had to be replaced costing €100s of thousands. The traffic in Blackrock at times can be shocking because of it.

They are presently getting rid of the roundabout outside the Silver Quay pub in Ballintemple at the moment. Was never any traffic there. THere is now traffic chaos due to the lights, with traffic queueing down the Well Road. Local residents are fuming as their estates are now being used as rat runs.

What a ****ing mess and a monsterous waste of money when this country needs anything but.

keithclancy · 21-11-2012 01:02PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Signalised roundabouts have a higher capacity than standard roundabouts. However, I'm not sure if this roundabout is big enough to that.

It's irrelevant anyways. Traffic flow at this junction is fine. Hardly ever see traffic here. Traffic in the area generally builds up outside of Four Star Pizza where the two lanes reduce to 2 and at both entrances to Wilton Shopping Centre.

If the traffic lights are out at the Kinsale road roundabout it flows much better

AugustusMinimus · 21-11-2012 01:06PM

keithclancy wrote: »

If the traffic lights are out at the Kinsale road roundabout it flows much better

Depends how high traffic is. When traffic is very high, it can be a disaster.

I remember comparing Dunkettle before and after they signalised it. Improved the junction a lot during peak traffic.

IMO, signalised the roundabout during high traffic periods and return to flashing amber at other times.

TheChizler · 21-11-2012 01:11PM

There's something about how signalising Wilton is necessary before work can begin on renovating the shopping centre. Apparently that 10 screen cinema/apartments/offices thing is still going ahead once they sort out the traffic.

Maybe signalising would help in rush hour, but at other times there's never a problem.

Edit: Ah, just read the article and I'm essentially repeating it.

charlemont · 21-11-2012 01:16PM

This has been on the cards a while, The council came up with the idea after plans were made to revamp the Wilton shopping centre.

Its not needed though.

corktina · 21-11-2012 01:20PM

i'd favour a roundabout over lights any day but I fear someone in the council has a fear of them and THINKS that lights are better...they aren't as has been proved time and time again. What Cork needs is an EXPERT overview of it's roads. The Quays are my pet hate, conflicting movements all over the place that could simply be addressed but are not. (Christy Ring Bridge in particular....revamped recently at no doubt huge expense but the issues of conflicts not addressed.

keithclancy · 21-11-2012 01:21PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Depends how high traffic is. When traffic is very high, it can be a disaster.

I remember comparing Dunkettle before and after they signalised it. Improved the junction a lot during peak traffic.

IMO, signalised the roundabout during high traffic periods and return to flashing amber at other times.

I always found that lights just caused problems because nobody used them properly, people would drive into the rounadbout from the Model Farm Road side and block it for people going from the Ballincollig side to Wilton.

IMO you have a roundabout or lights, not both.

TheChizler · 21-11-2012 01:25PM

I'd be curious to see how the Skehard Road junction functions once works are completed. If it ends up ok then hope remains for Wilton. I agree at the moment it's a complete disaster, but they're just roughly timed roadwork lights in barrels at the moment. I'll reserve judgement until its completed. That said if it's anything like Mahon then it'll be dreadful.

I think most traffic at Wilton goes straight on from their respective junctions (please correct me if I'm wrong) so lights might be ok in this situation. Not the case in Mahon where most traffic turns right in to the centre requiring the entire junction to be taken up by a stream of cars going one direction.

MrFrisp · 21-11-2012 01:36PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

When will this utter madness end. Are they actually trying to grind Cork City to a complete stop ?

The traffic lights outside of Mahon Point are an absolute disaster and this junction will have to handle much more traffic. As it stands, there is no issue with traffic flow through this roundabout so just leave the bloody thing as it stands.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/11/19/wilton-road-roundabout-set-to-go/

Citizens of Cork will have to stand up to this. I can see absolute war about this.

Stand up to it? And do what?

The city council won't listen to anyone. They have made up their minds,and they are going to go ahead with it.
As pointed out already,,look at the mistake they made with the Togher roundabout. And they still won't learn.
Same with Barrack St when that's done. The Business owners,local councillors,and even the Gárdai suggested the best option when finished is to have the traffic one-way UP Barrack St.
The city council however has told them it's going to be one-way Down. :eek:

They obvisiouly can't see the chaos being caused at the Evergreen St,Industry St,Friars Walk junction at the moment. It's dangerous up there.

Mindless twits.
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Ron Burgundy II · 21-11-2012 01:37PM

TheChizler wrote: »

I'd be curious to see how the Skehard Road junction functions once works are completed. If it ends up ok then hope remains for Wilton. I agree at the moment it's a complete disaster, but they're just roughly timed roadwork lights in barrels at the moment. I'll reserve judgement until its completed. That said if it's anything like Mahon then it'll be dreadful.

I think most traffic at Wilton goes straight on from their respective junctions (please correct me if I'm wrong) so lights might be ok in this situation. Not the case in Mahon where most traffic turns right in to the centre requiring the entire junction to be taken up by a stream of cars going one direction.

Not only are the installing a set of lights at the junction on the Skehard road, they are also realigning the road to improve sight lines from entrances to parks. This new road alignment will have a bus lane for all of 500m.

In regards to Togher, the council spent almost the same amount of money removing the traffic lights and painting on a roundabout that they paid for the installation in the first place.

neddynasty · 21-11-2012 01:58PM

Someone told me yesterday or today when we were talking about the SRR flyovers and Dunkettle etc that there is some European directive to get rid of roundabouts and that's why the one on Skehard is being done and problably Wilton too. I haven't looked into it yet but must have a google.

AugustusMinimus · 21-11-2012 02:57PM

neddynasty wrote: »

Someone told me yesterday or today when we were talking about the SRR flyovers and Dunkettle etc that there is some European directive to get rid of roundabouts and that's why the one on Skehard is being done and problably Wilton too. I haven't looked into it yet but must have a google.

IIRC, it's more government policy rather than EU policy, although absolute lunacy is what I'd prefer call it.

21-11-2012 03:25PM

An example from Galway of one that will be going in the new year.

The five arm Bodkin / Galway Shopping Centre signalised roundabout (Google maps link)

will be replaced with the following
link to pdf

CiniO · 21-11-2012 06:35PM

I've never been to Cork, but I'm regular visitor to Galway, and over last few years they are consequently changing roundabouts into traffic lights junctions.
It looks funny for me, as at the same time (over last few years), in my hometown in Poland they are doing exactly opposite thing - changing traffic lights junctions into roundabouts.

I'm not going to go into theory which option is better, but from just normal observation, it looks like Galway has become more blocked with traffic now, while my hometown in Poland become better.
But if it's due to those changes or some other reason - I don't know.

RandomAccess · 21-11-2012 08:34PM

Can people object to councillors? Sounds like it'll be a disaster, with delays to Ambulances rushing to the hospital just metres away!

Traffic lights aren't cheap either.

Mc Love · 22-11-2012 07:37AM

Looks like the traffic light rollout is happening in Cork now - Dont come to Limerick as its the Traffic Light Capital of Ireland!!! They even put traffic lights where there isnt even any need for them and installed lights (that are so called "smart lights") where a roundabout would have been so much better!

Cookie_Monster · 22-11-2012 07:56AM

not only Cork, seems to be happening in a lot of place. The farm roundabout in Monkstown has been replaced by lights and is now terrible with far greater queues and waits than before. Plans to replace the graduate roundabout also

neddynasty · 22-11-2012 08:57AM

Traffic lights were off this morning on the Bandon Rd Roundabout and surprise surprise, traffic flowed better!!!

AugustusMinimus · 22-11-2012 09:26AM

neddynasty wrote: »

Traffic lights were off this morning on the Bandon Rd Roundabout and surprise surprise, traffic flowed better!!!

Be interesting to see whether the lights will be turned off at Bandon and Sars Roundabouts once the flyovers open.

AugustusMinimus · 22-11-2012 09:27AM

RandomAccess wrote: »

Can people object to councillors? Sounds like it'll be a disaster, with delays to Ambulances rushing to the hospital just metres away!

Traffic lights aren't cheap either.

I'm guessing you can

1. Lobby the councillors (useless as I'm guessing they're getting backhanders such is their fondness of traffic lights)
2. I guess they'll need planning application so you can appeal to An Bord Pleanala ?

Davidth88 · 22-11-2012 10:00AM

You know I read this with interest.

I am from England , first started visiting Ireland in the early 90's , moved here in 2001.

I became convinced when I first came here that someone has a vested interest in traffic lights in this country. The amount of lights in this country is frankly bonkers . I drive down the Kylemore rd ( Dublin ) each day , in about 1km there are 9 sets of lights , some of these change and no one is in the other roads .

Kildare CC once stated when asked by a local Cllr why they put lights on a junction when a roundabout would be better ' we don't like roundabouts ' .

Is there a powerful lobby group from the makers of traffic lights in this country ? Or are County Mgr's all stuck with the idea that traffic lights are the only things that work ?

Mc Love · 22-11-2012 10:30AM

I used to drive to work at weekends early in the morning at about 6am and the smart lights I mentioned above, would change to red as soon as I approached the junction even though there were no cars at the other road! Did get at least one reply from the Council stating that they were "smart"!

dahamsta · 22-11-2012 10:34AM

Skehard Road is just a nonsense. The only possible advantage is job creation. It's solving a problem that doesn't exist.

keithclancy · 22-11-2012 11:38AM

Davidth88 wrote: »

Is there a powerful lobby group from the makers of traffic lights in this country ? Or are County Mgr's all stuck with the idea that traffic lights are the only things that work ?

Agreed,

Amount of Traffic lights in Ireland is ridiculous.

Roundabouts + Traffic lights is just stupid.

CiniO · 22-11-2012 01:11PM

Davidth88 wrote: »

You know I read this with interest.

I am from England , first started visiting Ireland in the early 90's , moved here in 2001.

I became convinced when I first came here that someone has a vested interest in traffic lights in this country. The amount of lights in this country is frankly bonkers . I drive down the Kylemore rd ( Dublin ) each day , in about 1km there are 9 sets of lights , some of these change and no one is in the other roads .

I've recently been to Barcelona. Rented a scooter to sightsee all the city, and I must say amount of traffic lights there is waaaay bigger than in Dublin.
Literally you've got traffic lights every 100m everywhere. However this with system of one-way streets (most streets are one way) seem to work pretty well.

The only problem with traffic light in Ireland I can see, is that they are always on - day or night.
On the Continent, in most places you've got traffic lights and signs governing right of way (main road sign, yield, stop).
When traffic lights operate, you drive by traffic lights.
When traffic lights are turned off (for example during the night) you drive by traffic signs (have to give way to vehicles on the main road).

Nothing more annoying than waiting for a minute on every set of lights at 4am when there are absolutely no cars coming from any side.

Frere Jacques · 22-11-2012 01:29PM

The rumour from the public accounts committee was that someone made a fat finger mistake and added an extra zero to an order of lights. It wasn't mentioned what the result was but going from 1000 to 10000 would be a lot of extra lights to deploy. This rumour is from about 6 years ago and the word on the street was that we were going to see traffic lights springing up everywhere. It wasn't some tin foil hat conspiracy dreamt up in a pub in response to the proliferation of lights.
In Ballincollig, half the lights are turned off again thank God. The roundabout by the White horse never caused a soul an ounce of trouble but still they replaced it with lights. When all the lights were on, it came to about 15 sets of lights to get from the Apple green petrol station to the Roundabout at the other end.
I'd like to see the correlation between the number of sets of traffic lights in an urban area and recorded incidents of road rage.

AugustusMinimus · 22-11-2012 01:42PM

Frere Jacques wrote: »

The rumour from the public accounts committee was that someone made a fat finger mistake and added an extra zero to an order of lights. It wasn't mentioned what the result was but going from 1000 to 10000 would be a lot of extra lights to deploy. This rumour is from about 6 years ago and the word on the street was that we were going to see traffic lights springing up everywhere. It wasn't some tin foil hat conspiracy dreamt up in a pub in response to the proliferation of lights.
In Ballincollig, half the lights are turned off again thank God. The roundabout by the White horse never caused a soul an ounce of trouble but still they replaced it with lights. When all the lights were on, it came to about 15 sets of lights to get from the Apple green petrol station to the Roundabout at the other end.
I'd like to see the correlation between the number of sets of traffic lights in an urban area and recorded incidents of road rage.

Ballincollig is simply insane. The thought of having to drive through the place absolutely fills me with dread. Shocking traffic since they installed all the traffic lights.

There is something going on in regards to traffic lights though. Why members of every City and Town council so gung ho to put up traffic lights everywhere. Even in small towns they are appearing for no reason, costing million to install.

AugustusMinimus · 22-11-2012 01:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

An example from Galway of one that will be going in the new year.

The five arm Bodkin / Galway Shopping Centre signalised roundabout (Google maps link)

will be replaced with the following
link to pdf

That looks an absolute mess.

Redisle · 22-11-2012 01:56PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Ballincollig is simply insane. The thought of having to drive through the place absolutely fills me with dread. Shocking traffic since they installed all the traffic lights.

Yeah, depending on where you are going I find it best to go in the Link road and then down Station road like this.

Avoids most of the lights and handy for going to the square carpark or the shopping center. Speed bumps are the main disadvantage (lots of schools around).

I wouldn't even consider driving the length of Main street given all the lights!

AugustusMinimus · 23-11-2012 06:54PM

Patricks street to be pedestrianised and McCurtain street to be made 2 way again ?

While the idea of a pedestrianised Patricks Street may be nice, it's going to cause mayhem on the quays. Making McCurtain street two way will create more movements on a number of junctions along the quays which will make things worse again.

MrFrisp · 23-11-2012 07:47PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Patricks street to be pedestrianised and McCurtain street to be made 2 way again ?

While the idea of a pedestrianised Patricks Street may be nice, it's going to cause mayhem on the quays. Making McCurtain street two way will create more movements on a number of junctions along the quays which will make things worse again.

Couldn't believe that when I saw it on the paper earlier...Thought it was April Fools Day or something.
I don't go near douglas for shopping or anything,,as it's a nightmare out there.
Ballincollig isn't much better,although I think it has improved from what I read.
I'm not going to go across the city to get to Blackpool..
So,,all I can say is,,Welcome back online shopping..
A round of applause there for Cork City Council for trying to drive people out of the city centre at a time the businesses are struggling.
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delthedriver · 26-11-2012 12:00AM

As if driving around Cork City is not confusing enough !
MacCurtain Street two way? Who came up with this?

mb1725 · 26-11-2012 12:18AM

delthedriver wrote: »

As if driving around Cork City is not confusing enough !
MacCurtain Street two way? Who came up with this?

It used to be two way ........... up until the late 1960s, early 70s

26-11-2012 12:22AM

Decent idea to pedestrianise Patrick's Street though if it's only during business hours (like Oliver Plunkett Street).

If they make McCurtain Street two way presumably they'll double yellow line the side that the Metropole is on. Can't see the appeal anyway tbh, might slightly alleviate some of the congestion on St Lukes in the morning. Wonder how the business people on McC street feel about it, can't see it improving things for them, the street is fairly rancid, just because it wasn't so back in the day when traffic flowed both ways is nothing more than coincidence surely.

AugustusMinimus · 26-11-2012 01:15AM

RoverJames wrote: »

Decent idea to pedestrianise Patrick's Street though if it's only during business hours (like Oliver Plunkett Street).

If they make McCurtain Street two way presumably they'll double yellow line the side that the Metropole is on. Can't see the appeal anyway tbh, might slightly alleviate some of the congestion on St Lukes in the morning. Wonder how the business people on McC street feel about it, can't see it improving things for them, the street is fairly rancid, just because it wasn't so back in the day when traffic flowed both ways is nothing more than coincidence surely.

The street has a horrible feel to it. Full of ****ty chippers and a pawn shop. Has an awful feel to it and feels quite dangerous at night.

keithclancy · 26-11-2012 09:58AM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Ballincollig is simply insane. The thought of having to drive through the place absolutely fills me with dread. Shocking traffic since they installed all the traffic lights.

There is something going on in regards to traffic lights though. Why members of every City and Town council so gung ho to put up traffic lights everywhere. Even in small towns they are appearing for no reason, costing million to install.

Yup, I went back to visit Ireland, drove through Ballincollig, felt like the County Council got a Groupon for Traffic lights.

AugustusMinimus · 06-01-2013 11:39AM

The Roundabout outside of Douglas Court Shopping Centre is to be replaced with lights during 2013.

WTF is going on. I honestly think there is something very fishy going on with contracts or something. There is no need in the world to remove this roundabout. It will just cause traffic chaos.

I have no doubt they have their eyes set on the fingerpost roundabout and the one off the N27 sliproad next.

Mc Love · 06-01-2013 11:59AM

It has been happening in Limerick for the last year or so - TLs popping up everywhere and anywhere they can find space to put them. I think William st (one of the main streets has something like 3 or 4 sets!

AugustusMinimus · 06-01-2013 12:04PM

Mc Love wrote: »

It has been happening in Limerick for the last year or so - TLs popping up everywhere and anywhere they can find space to put them. I think William st (one of the main streets has something like 3 or 4 sets!

It's not just roundabouts being replaced with lights in Cork. They are also putting up pedestrian crossings everywhere, even where there's virtually no footfall.

There's a set between the skew bridge and the turn off for Water Street and I have never seen a pedestrian use this set. I got stopped at them for a minute the other night even though there wasn't a single pedestrian in sight. Absolute madness.

What a boom it is for traffic light manufacturers though. There must be something going on though. The amount of lights going up everywhere is insane.

Lutecia · 06-01-2013 12:11PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The Roundabout outside of Douglas Court Shopping Centre is to be replaced with lights during 2013.

WTF is going on. I honestly think there is something very fishy going on with contracts or something. There is no need in the world to remove this roundabout. It will just cause traffic chaos.

I have no doubt they have their eyes set on the fingerpost roundabout and the one off the N27 sliproad next.

Are you talking about the one just in front of MacDonalds, or the one where starts rochestown rd ?

The first is weird to be honest, and could be redesigned, but there is never traffic jams there so no need to put lights.

The second one though is a pain, but that's because of Rochestown rd traffic, and as that road is narrow, not so sure what can be done realistictly.

AugustusMinimus · 06-01-2013 12:17PM

Lutecia wrote: »

Are you talking about the one just in front of MacDonalds, or the one where starts rochestown rd ?

The first is weird to be honest, and could be redesigned, but there is never traffic jams there so no need to put lights.

The second one though is a pain, but that's because of Rochestown rd traffic, and as that road is narrow, not so sure what can be done realistictly.

The one between McDonalds and Douglas Court.

To make it even worse, they are planning to remove the present entrance to the Cinema car park and move it to the new junction. Are these people idiots ?

MrFrisp · 06-01-2013 12:23PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

The one between McDonalds and Douglas Court.

To make it even worse, they are planning to remove the present entrance to the Cinema car park and move it to the new junction. Are these people idiots ?

Yes!

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dahamsta · 06-01-2013 12:44PM

Apparently a zero was added to a traffic light order. I thought this was a joke, but I've been assured It isn't.

enas · 06-01-2013 02:39PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

There's a set between the skew bridge and the turn off for Water Street and I have never seen a pedestrian use this set. I got stopped at them for a minute the other night even though there wasn't a single pedestrian in sight. Absolute madness.

If you stopped there, then probably there was someone who pressed the button. Also, if you say there's "virtually no footfall", it could be precisely because there's not enough pedestrian crossings in the area. Unless you frequently walk (or try to) in an area, it's very hard to see how badly pedestrian crossings are missing on many streets and roads in Cork.

Take Rochestown road for example, I can tell for sure that if there were more pedestrian crossings, you would see far more people walking in the area (there's clearly a strong demand, when you see how busy the nearby walkway can get). At the moment, Rochestown road is essentially a big impassable barrier, except for the single pedestrian crossing (off the garage, and the recent one by the Rochestown inn, which is very close to it anyway). Forget about crossing the road anywhere else if you're elderly or you're pushing a buggy, etc. Even on the newly rebuilt roundabout they didn't install any provision for safely crossing the road.

That being said, I agree with you that there is a bit of a madness with signalised pedestrian crossings in Ireland (at least in Cork). Zebra crossings are a better solution for both pedestrians (can cross without having to wait for a green man), and for motorists (don't have to stop if there's no pedestrian). They're also much cheaper to install, so for the same money you can install much more, which is again a win for pedestrians. I'd go as far as saying that zebra crossings are to roundabouts what signalised crossings are to signalised junctions. A much better solution for everyone when there's low levels of traffic (both motorised and pedestrian).

AugustusMinimus · 06-01-2013 02:47PM

enas wrote: »

If you stopped there, then probably there was someone who pressed the button. Also, if you say there's "virtually no footfall", it could be precisely because there's not enough pedestrian crossings in the area. Unless you frequently walk (or try to) in an area, it's very hard to see how badly pedestrian crossings are missing on many streets and roads in Cork.

Take Rochestown road for example, I can tell for sure that if there were more pedestrian crossings, you would see far more people walking in the area (there's clearly a strong demand, when you see how busy the nearby walkway can get). At the moment, Rochestown road is essentially a big impassable barrier, except for the single pedestrian crossing (off the garage, and the recent one by the Rochestown inn, which is very close to it anyway). Forget about crossing the road anywhere else if you're elderly or you're pushing a buggy, etc. Even on the newly rebuilt roundabout they didn't install any provision for safely crossing the road.

That being said, I agree with you that there is a bit of a madness with signalised pedestrian crossings in Ireland (at least in Cork). Zebra crossings are a better solution for both pedestrians (can cross without having to wait for a green man), and for motorists (don't have to stop if there's no pedestrian). They're also much cheaper to install, so for the same money you can install much more, which is again a win for pedestrians. I'd go as far as saying that zebra crossings are to roundabouts what signalised crossings are to signalised junctions. A much better solution for everyone when there's low levels of traffic (both motorised and pedestrian).

There is no footfall because there is practically no housing at all between Water Street and Silversprings. Has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of pedestrian crossings.

Zebra crossings are the ideal solution where you have a place with low footfall. Reduces time wastage for both road users and pedestrians alike.

On that signalised crossing. There wasn't a person within 300m of either side of it. Some of these junction do come on without the button being pressed.

enas · 06-01-2013 04:25PM

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

There is no footfall because there is practically no housing at all between Water Street and Silversprings. Has absolutely nothing to do with the amount of pedestrian crossings.

I wouldn't be so categorical. There are some houses along the street and a further uphill. Besides, as we both agree, putting zebra crossings wouldn't harm anyone; in the worst case, no one uses them and it doesn't inconvenience anyone.

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

On that signalised crossing. There wasn't a person within 300m of either side of it. Some of these junction do come on without the button being pressed.

Are you sure it wasn't green for cars coming coming from Lower Glanmire road and turning on Water street? Honestly, the "tradition" here is really not on stopping cars at a red light for nothing, so I would be very surprised that the light turns green for pedestrians without anyone pressing a button.

Wilton Roundabout to be replaced with lights

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