Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 08:52AM #1

Study indicates that people of black ethnicity in Ireland feel discriminated against
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1214/discrimination-ethnicity.html
A new study suggests that the highest rates of discrimination in Ireland continues to be felt by people of black ethnicity.
The study carried out by the Equality Authority and the Economic and Social Research Institute suggests that almost one in eight of the State's adults said they suffered discrimination between 2009 and 2010.
People of black ethnicity are almost four times more likely to report their experience of discrimination than white Irish people.
Also it suggests that they are over five times more likely than white Irish people to report serious discrimination, even after controlling for a range of other factors.

Looks like discrimination, and particularly racial discrimination is a much bigger problem in Ireland than is generally accepted.

MagicMarker · 14-12-2012 08:54AM

I would have thought it's generally accepted that Ireland is a pretty racist country, by "first world" standards.

This is clear just from reading boards, anyone remember when that TD declared that he would no longer deal with "Black Africans"? It was absolutely disgusting the amount of people defending him over that.

Donnielighto · 14-12-2012 08:58AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I would have thought it's generally accepted that Ireland is a pretty racist country, by "first world" standards.

This is clear just from reading boards, anyone remember when that TD declared that he would no longer deal with "Black Africans"? It was absolutely disgusting the amount of people defending him over that.

Ireland is pretty tame in the racism game.

gimli2112 · 14-12-2012 08:58AM

Think it was a Mayor in Kildare that said that. I find a lot of people are d*cks irrespective of race tbh!

mikemac1 · 14-12-2012 09:02AM

Who here hasn't done a interview with a manager and HR person who treated you like dirt, ripped your CV apart and then sent you a PFO two weeks later

It happens and if you're jobseeking it'll happen more then once

Maybe some people are just quicker to complain and assume it was only them who gets this treatment?

The highest rates of reported discrimination were in recruitment at 6%

Good people get rejected every day

0ph0rce0 · 14-12-2012 09:02AM

I'm not a racist at all but really, if your going to move to another country, Don't be bitching, your here for a reason, and its obvious cause your country either has no hope for you in say work and that or its a ****hole.

If you don't like where you are then go home and bitch there.

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 09:04AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'm not a racist at all but really, if your going to move to another country, Don't be bitching, your here for a reason, and its obvious cause your country either has no hope for you in say work and that or its a ****hole.

If you don't like where you are then go home and bitch there.

People move countries for many reasons, many non Irish nationals for instance work in the Health Services etc.
Frankly your post reads,imo, like an arrogant rant!

MagicMarker · 14-12-2012 09:05AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'm not a racist but...

Oh dear...

0ph0rce0 · 14-12-2012 09:06AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

People move countries for many reasons, many non Irish nationals for instance work in the Health Services etc.
Frankly your post reads,imo, like an arrogant rant!

I'd say the same to all the irish who go abroad and moan moan moan, if you don't like it, move on

Tombi! · 14-12-2012 09:11AM

So, because black people report discrimination the most, it means that they're being discriminated against than other race?

I can see a problem with that logic.

Frank Black · 14-12-2012 09:14AM

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I'm not a racist at all but...

taxi driver?

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 09:16AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

So, because black people report discrimination the most, it means that they're being discriminated against than other race?

I can see a problem with that logic.

Of course if they are being discriminated against more then they are going to be more complaints from them, no flaw in that logic at all imo!

Forest Demon · 14-12-2012 09:16AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

This is clear just from reading boards, anyone remember when that TD declared that he would no longer deal with "Black Africans"? It was absolutely disgusting the amount of people defending him over that.

The mayor said that black people were being abusive to him when complaining.

He only said that he would not deal with Naggers any more and it was taken out of context

Tombi! · 14-12-2012 09:16AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Of course if they are being discriminated against more then they are going to be more complaints from them, no flaw in that logic at all imo!

The problem is that white people don't normally report it.

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 09:19AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

The problem is that white people don't normally report it.

Or the problem is that white people are considerably less likely to encounter it?
Bit like saying the bullies are less likely to report bullying.

Tombi! · 14-12-2012 09:28AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Or the problem is that white people are considerably less likely to encounter it?
Bit like saying the bullies are less likely to report bullying.

The way I took it is that white people just won't report it as much as opposed to black people.

kneemos · 14-12-2012 09:30AM

Is there a possibility black people have become conditioned to perceive racism at every slight?

kiffer · 14-12-2012 09:34AM

Yeah, because everyone hires travelers...

MagicMarker · 14-12-2012 09:35AM

Forest Demon wrote: »

The mayor said that black people were being abusive to him when complaining.

He only said that he would not deal with Naggers any more and it was taken out of context

Utter bollocks. He didn't say he would refuse to deal with "naggers", he said he would no longer deal with "black Africans".

Cienciano · 14-12-2012 09:41AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Who here hasn't done a interview with a manager and HR person who treated you like dirt, ripped your CV apart and then sent you a PFO two weeks later

It happens and if you're jobseeking it'll happen more then once

Maybe some people are just quicker to complain and assume it was only them who gets this treatment?

Good people get rejected every day

I was thinking the same. Was watching one of those Channel 4 traveller shows and a group of 10 18 year old traveller boys would get refused from a nightclub. They'd be loud and rowdy in the queue or the walk up to the door and when they're refused entry they'd say it was because they were travellers.

MagicSean · 14-12-2012 09:49AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Or the problem is that white people are considerably less likely to encounter it?
Bit like saying the bullies are less likely to report bullying.

That comparison assumes all white people discriminate.

I don't think Ireland is particularly discriminatory. I think it's just in the early stages of becoming an integrated society. Cultural differences give rise to feelings of exclusion, particularly when they are completely incongruent with the societal values.

MagicSean · 14-12-2012 09:50AM

kiffer wrote: »

Yeah, because everyone hires travelers...

Do you have stats of travellers who have applied for jobs and been refused.

crazygeryy · 14-12-2012 09:52AM

the Irish: racist ?or just having the craic

BrokenArrows · 14-12-2012 09:54AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Utter bollocks. He didn't say he would refuse to deal with "naggers", he said he would no longer deal with "black Africans".

Woooooshhhhh!

Private Joker · 14-12-2012 09:54AM

Why would a white Irish person report discrimination?

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 09:58AM

MagicSean wrote: »

That comparison assumes all white people discriminate.

I don't think Ireland is particularly discriminatory. I think it's just in the early stages of becoming an integrated society. Cultural differences give rise to feelings of exclusion, particularly when they are completely incongruent with the societal values.

Certainly is not or was not my intention, Sean.
The point I was making is that perhaps white people complain less about discrimination because they encounter it less.
It should be noted that discrimination can be on a number of grounds other than ethicnity/race, it can be because of sexual orientation,religious beliefs,age, etc so of course white people encounter/suffer discrimination.
The point is that this report from the EA/ERSI says that even controlling for certain factors black people complain of serious discrimination five times more than white people.
I am merely commenting on the report.

Death and Taxes · 14-12-2012 09:59AM

Private Joker wrote: »

Why would a white Irish person report discrimination?

Because they were discriminated on grounds of their sexuality,their age, their religious affiliation etc.

iDave · 14-12-2012 09:59AM

and of course no black person has ever played the race card to get their own way!

BrokenArrows · 14-12-2012 09:59AM

Private Joker wrote: »

Why would a white Irish person report discrimination?

Because discrimination does not only happen because of race.

And even if it is race related it could be a non white Irish discriminating against a white Irish.

danslevent · 14-12-2012 10:06AM

I think a lot of Irish people, myself included, are also just really awkward about the whole thing sometimes. When I was child I can remember only seeing black people when I went on holidays in London. It is only in recen years that we have had this influx of different cultures, didn't see any Muslims wearing birkas, not the hijabs, but birkas until I went to London too. It's I'd normal over here now, but the different cultures is a relatively new thing.

I think the awkwardness is funny sometimes though, irish people sometimes feel uncomfortable even saying "black people" as if pointing out their skin colour is rude and shouldn't be mentioned. "Coloured" insinuates they have been coloured in

bradlente · 14-12-2012 10:07AM

WileyCoyote wrote: »

People of black ethnicity are almost four times more likely to report their experience of discrimination than white Irish people.
Also it suggests that they are over five times more likely than white Irish people to report serious discrimination, even after controlling for a range of other factors.

Does this mean white Irish people report discrimination of black people 5 times less than black people or that they report discrimination of themselves 5 times less?

That might sound stupid but I only ask because I find the notion that white people get discriminated against a bit absurd.How do you discriminate against a majority that pretty much owns everything and runs everything,In this country at least?

Black People Feel Most Discriminated against

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