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Church bashing in AH

  • 24-12-2012 3:38am
    #1
    Mammanabammana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭


    Is it just me? Or is anybody else starting to get tired of seeing thread after thread hijacked by people who can't wait to stick the boot into the church (specifically RC, although there may be others)...it's now getting to a point where I sit reading threads, waiting for somebody to grab any excuse at all to have a go at the church. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a church advocate or defender at all, and I'm, as much as anybody else, sickened by the behaviour of the church, not only in Ireland but worldwide. (They're starting to throw their weight around in the Philippines now because of a new government ruling that family planning - as in contraception - should be state funded and properly provided and the hypocrisy is frankly disgusting).

    But it's getting to a point where I seem to be constantly reading threads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, a complete non seqitur pops up just for somebody to have a go at the church and for no other reason. Why bother? What's the point? If you want to have a go at the church, start a thread about it, find another forum...

    But stop hijacking my enjoyment of AH with your church bashing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying stop doing it, I'm not saying ignore your convictions...

    I'm just saying, find a proper place to talk about it if it pisses you off THAT much, and stop throwing it in my face over and over again!


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  • #2
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm




  • #3
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    I agree op, church sucks!


  • #4
    Fromthetrees
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    The church should be crushed for what they did to this country.

    The church should be stripped of most or all of it's assets.

    I hate the roman catholic church as an organisation and hope they are never respected in this country again.


  • #5
    dodderangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,203 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    If church was really like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN7FftWNCM&feature=youtube_gdata_player


  • #6
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Bankers, the government, the recession, the rcc, the public sector etc. are things people are genuinely angry about in the country for different reasons and they come up in thread after thread in AH. That's how after hours works.


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  • #7
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fuck 'em.


  • #8
    stoneill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    yeah - the churchy bastards.


  • #9
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Ahhhh... bless your 2009 cotton socks.


  • #10
    Mammanabammana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Mammanabammana


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Bankers, the government, the recession, the rcc, the public sector etc. are things people are genuinely angry about in the country for different reasons and they come up in thread after thread in AH. That's how after hours works.

    Fair enough. But it means that instead of constantly checking into AH for the craic that used to be going on, I now only occasionally check in because the escapism that AH used to represent is disappearing. So maybe it's just me. And if people are genuinely angry about stuff, fair enough, but as I said before, surely there's more constructive ways to deal with it than AH.


  • #11
    Czarcasm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,076 ✭✭✭✭Czarcasm


    Mammanabammana wrote: »
    Fair enough. But it means that instead of constantly checking into AH for the craic that used to be going on, I now only occasionally check in because the escapism that AH used to represent is disappearing. So maybe it's just me. And if people are genuinely angry about stuff, fair enough, but as I said before, surely there's more constructive ways to deal with it than AH.

    Well what did you really expect to achieve with this thread only adding to the numerous as you put it church bashing threads? You know well by now what AH is like, and you just set up yet another opportunity for church bashing, instead of putting the thread in Feedback, where it could have had serious discussion.

    I can't tell whether it was a genuine appeal to conscience or just another reverse psychology troll thread tbh, hence my earlier post, as in "Jesus not this crap again!"


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  • #12
    Mammanabammana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Mammanabammana


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Well what did you really expect to achieve with this thread only adding to the numerous as you put it church bashing threads? You know well by now what AH is like, and you just set up yet another opportunity for church bashing, instead of putting the thread in Feedback, where it could have had serious discussion.

    I can't tell whether it was a genuine appeal to conscience or just another reverse psychology troll thread tbh, hence my earlier post, as in "Jesus not this crap again!"

    I didn't expect (or attempt) to achieve anything. I just thought I'd say what was on my mind. It's not a troll thread, and I know exactly what to expect from AH. But unfortunately that's not what could have been expected a few years ago. Instead of fun and craic and what AH used to be about, I now start threads wary of the first attack.

    Feeling somewhat vindicated.


  • #13
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,438 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    If I may offer a possible solution by way of analogy OP?

    I've no interest in airsoft. There are often lots of threads under the 'new threads' tab with the word 'airsoft' in the title. I don't open them.

    As an aside, I'm happy enough to see the church bashed. Repeatedly. And viciously.


  • #14
    Mammanabammana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Mammanabammana


    endacl wrote: »
    If I may offer a possible solution by way of analogy OP?

    I've no interest in airsoft. There are often lots of threads under the 'new threads' tab with the word 'airsoft' in the title. I don't open them.

    As an aside, I'm happy enough to see the church bashed. Repeatedly. And viciously.

    In which case, and in relation to my original point, why don't you find a better and potentially more effective way to go about this? As it happens, I agree with your sentiment...but bashing the church repeatedly and viciously in AH is like pissing harder and harder, over and over again, against the same wall.

    (Oh and in relation to your analogy, it's not exactly effective; imagine, if you will, coming into AH night afer night and clicking on every thread you like the look of, and without exception, every single thread sooner or later - usually sooner - starts talking about airsoft. That's closer to where it is.)


  • #15
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    I belive in god. I do not believe in the church however. I view it as a 'business'.

    But what I don't like is someone using any excuse to show how atheist they are and slag people of faith. Like there is slagging the chruch, as they have ALOT to answer for :mad:, then there is using that as a means to poke fun of peoples beliefs.


  • #16
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    AH users thread carefully on Jewish threads.

    Anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice, however.


  • #17
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    People aren't fond of the group that enabled the sexual abuse of children, shocking.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #18
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    People aren't fond of a State that enabled the sexual abuse of children, shocking.

    FYP.

    Going to hand back your passport in disgust?

    Double-standards hypocrite.


  • #19
    Mammanabammana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Mammanabammana


    Fromthetrees wrote: »
    The church should be crushed for what they did to this country.

    The church should be stripped of most or all of it's assets.

    I hate the roman catholic church as an organisation and hope they are never respected in this country again.
    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    People aren't fond of the group that enabled the sexual abuse of children, shocking.

    Is anybody even listening to the point I'm making?


  • #20
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    publicious wrote: »
    FYP.

    Going to hand back your passport in disgust?

    Double-standards hypocrite.

    It's an disgraceful stain on our history yes, and it sickens me how they've essentially gotten away with it.

    Doesn't excuse the churches role in it.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #21
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,230 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Mammanabammana wrote: »
    Is anybody even listening to the point I'm making?


    Sadly people aren't going to listen to you :(
    Boards.ie is populated with users who have such a hard on for the church & people of faith.


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  • #22
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    It's an disgraceful stain on our history yes, and it sickens me how they've essentially gotten away with it.

    Doesn't excuse the churches role in it.

    I'm not looking for excuses. I'm looking for civility on AH. The bigoted anti-Catholic vitriol is out of control.

    When it comes to Jewish threads, everyone's all hip and cool and tolerant.

    Disagree with the doctrines of the church and highlight wrong-doings all ye like, but please don't try to infest the site with bigoted, anti-Catholic vitriol.


  • #23
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    publicious wrote: »

    FYP.

    Going to hand back your passport in disgust?

    Double-standards hypocrite.

    What a stupid post.
    The church needs to be attacked at every opportunity in order for this country to move forward to a better place.

    If the men in frock' opinion is so important let them run for the Dail.
    Otherwise shut the fkkk up and stick to saying mass for the 3 old ladies and a dog who care.


  • #24
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    What a stupid post.
    The church needs to be attacked at every opportunity in order for this country to move forward to a better place.

    If the men in frock' opinion is so important let them run for the Dail.
    Otherwise shut the fkkk up and stick to saying mass for the 3 old ladies and a dog who care.

    Why don't you address the point I was making? Are you an Irish passport holder yourself?

    Anyway, you sound like a poorly educated moron who would do the country proud.


  • #25
    Jimoslimos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    publicious wrote: »
    I'm not looking for excuses. I'm looking for civility on AH. The bigoted anti-Catholic vitriol is out of control.

    When it comes to Jewish threads, everyone's all hip and cool and tolerant.

    Disagree with the doctrines of the church and highlight wrong-doings all ye like, but please don't try to infest the site with bigoted, anti-Catholic vitriol.
    Catholicism plays a far far greater role in Irish life than any other religion, especially Judaism. That's why it bears the weight of criticism here.

    For what it's worth the Jewish religion is every bit as backward and batsh1t crazy as Christianity. However in Ireland I don't have rabbis preaching at me on how to live my life.


  • #26
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    publicious wrote: »
    I'm not looking for excuses. I'm looking for civility on AH. The bigoted anti-Catholic vitriol is out of control.

    When it comes to Jewish threads, everyone's all hip and cool and tolerant.

    Disagree with the doctrines of the church and highlight wrong-doings all ye like, but please don't try to infest the site with bigoted, anti-Catholic vitriol.

    I don't spend as much time on AH as I used to but I do frequent the Atheist & Agnostic one as it's my favourite forum on the site for discussion and often there's plenty of bashing of some Hasidic Jewish groups who try and prevent their members from reporting rapes etc. within their community. The anti-catholic "vitriol" is not out of control considering what the church did and what it continues to show no real remorse for even to the point of moving money into trusts to protect it from going to victims of abuses. The RCC deserves as much respect as the WBC or the KKK. None.

    Sorry OP but this is also part of the problem is people defending a vile organisation will get people angry. Anyway there are more than enough threads in AH to enjoy that the few that get bogged down in religious debate shouldn't leave you stuck and if it is, maybe you need less time in AH, there are some great forums on this site with dedicated communities.


  • #27
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    That's why it bears the weight of criticism here.

    Oh so cyber hatred and bigotry is ok then.


  • #28
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    I don't spend as much time on AH as I used to but I do frequent the Atheist & Agnostic one as it's my favourite forum on the site for discussion and often there's plenty of bashing of some Hasidic Jewish groups who try and prevent their members from reporting rapes etc. within their community. The anti-catholic "vitriol" is not out of control considering what the church did and what it continues to show no real remorse for even to the point of moving money into trusts to protect it from going to victims of abuses. The RCC deserves as much respect as the WBC or the KKK. None.

    Sorry OP but this is also part of the problem is people defending a vile organisation will get people angry. Anyway there are more than enough threads in AH to enjoy that the few that get bogged down in religious debate shouldn't leave you stuck and if it is, maybe you need less time in AH, there are some great forums on this site with dedicated communities.

    Why can't you just voice your opinion without resorting to hatred and bigotry?


  • #29
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    publicious wrote: »

    Why don't you address the point I was making? Are you an Irish passport holder yourself?

    Anyway, you sound like a poorly educated moron who would do the country proud.

    I am an Irish passport holder.
    However, if I decided to ever give up my passport I wouldn't qualify for another country's. I was born here and pay tax here so I'm well entitled to carry a passport.

    As for my education - you'd need a PhD to trump me.



    The RCC has no relevance today.
    They are anti woman
    Anti gay
    Anti health (contraception)
    Anti divorce
    Anti abortion
    They raped our children and covered up their deeds.
    Not to mention the fact that their whole basis for existence is a pack of lies.

    So I make no excuses for coming onto the odd thread and putting the boot in to them. They well desrve it.


  • #30
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    I am an Irish passport holder.
    However, if I decided to ever give up my passport I wouldn't qualify for another country's. I was born here and pay tax here so I'm well entitled to carry a passport.

    As for my education - you'd need a PhD to trump me.



    The RCC has no relevance today.
    They are anti woman
    Anti gay
    Anti health (contraception)
    Anti divorce
    Anti abortion
    They raped our children and covered up their deeds.
    Not to mention the fact that their whole basis for existence is a pack of lies.

    So I make no excuses for coming onto the odd thread and putting the boot in to them. They well desrve it.

    So what institute educated you?

    Does it take a PhD to get into negative equity with multiple failed investment properties?

    I suppose you expect me to bail you out too?


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  • #31
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    publicious wrote: »
    Why can't you just voice your opinion without resorting to hatred and bigotry?

    What bigotry? My position on the RCC is based on their actions. I had no biases before hand. As for hatred, that is the perfect emotion one employs when discussing an organisation whose members raped children, covered it up and continue to look to place the blame elsewhere. Should I not hate such an organisation?


  • #32
    publicious
    Site Banned Posts: 131 ✭✭publicious


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    What bigotry? My position on the RCC is based on their actions. I had no biases before hand. As for hatred, that is the perfect emotion one employs when discussing an organisation whose members raped children, covered it up and continue to look to place the blame elsewhere. Should I not hate such an organisation?

    You're not free to hate individuals on the basis of their religion. We have incitement to hatred laws in this country.


  • #33
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    publicious wrote: »
    You're not free to hate individuals on the basis of their religion. We have incitement to hatred laws in this country.

    First I'm allowed hate who ever I want. Incitement laws don't make it illegal for me to hate say the old lady down the road who tried to have my dog killed. Second I don't hate *most* people who would describe themselves as Catholic but I do hate the Church. You know the one that facilitated child rape. Like I hate Fianna Fail (not as much) but I don't hate everyone that supports them.


  • #34
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    publicious wrote: »

    So what institute educated you?

    Does it take a PhD to get into negative equity with multiple failed investment properties?

    I suppose you expect me to bail you out too?

    :)
    Way off topic but I'll go there if you like.
    I have qualifications from 3 universities - at home and abroad.

    As for any debts I have. I am presently paying off all my mortgages and am not in arrears to anyone :)

    Unlike the RCC, who still owe this county millions for raping and abusing children of this state.


  • #35
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Also, in my opinion anybody who backs up the church in any way is helping to cover up their crimes of child rape.

    So you know what I think of you!


  • #36
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,438 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Also, in my opinion anybody who backs up the church in any way is helping to cover up their crimes of child rape.

    So you know what I think of you!
    +1


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  • #37
    Kold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    YEAH! AH used to be something! Used to stand for something more than this! AH is better than this guys...

    Oh wait, no. I'm thinking of something else.


  • #38
    megafan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭megafan


    [QUOTE=Mammanabammana;82361895 If you want to have a go at the church, start a thread about it, find another forum...

    But stop hijacking my enjoyment of AH with your church bashing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying stop doing it, I'm not saying ignore your convictions...
    [/QUOTE]



    After Hours is what it is (surely the name AH says it all) & maybe more than other forums would have a better mix of users views than most others.... if the Church is getting bashed it's for good reason & brought on by none other than it's own managment.... BOARDS.ie have loads of Forums in which users can hide from the real world with discussions from their own types.... & maybe the likes of me will dip in with a comment occasionaly to another Forum with my view of others world & be slated by all on that forum (what would I know about farming?) But if you want a good view of the real world AH is it! (might be irreverent at times but what do you expect with a title like After Hours)

    ;)


  • #39
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I belive in god. I do not believe in the church however. I view it as a 'business'.

    But what I don't like is someone using any excuse to show how atheist they are and slag people of faith. Like there is slagging the chruch, as they have ALOT to answer for :mad:, then there is using that as a means to poke fun of peoples beliefs.

    Someone's religious beliefs are not entitled to any special respect, nor are they above being questioned or satirised, simply because those beliefs are religious in nature.


  • #40
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    publicious wrote: »
    I'm not looking for excuses. I'm looking for civility on AH. The bigoted anti-Catholic vitriol is out of control.

    When it comes to Jewish threads, everyone's all hip and cool and tolerant.

    Disagree with the doctrines of the church and highlight wrong-doings all ye like, but please don't try to infest the site with bigoted, anti-Catholic vitriol.

    Bigoted - The RCC is the bigoted one.


  • #41
    9959
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭9959


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    Someone's religious beliefs are not entitled to any special respect, nor are they above being questioned or satirised, simply because those beliefs are religious in nature.

    Agreed.
    Satire and ridicule are probably the best weapons to deploy against theistic gobbledygook and religious cant.
    Monty Python's 'Life of Brian' being an excellent example.


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tried to say this last year. Was told to get bent by AHers and got a shoulder shrug & "take it or leave it" from mods

    Only one thing really....


  • #43
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    publicious wrote: »
    When it comes to Jewish threads, everyone's all hip and cool and tolerant.

    AH was asking 'do you know any Jewish people' not 'what do you think of organised institutional Judaism'. Also, the last time I checked, In Ireland, organised Judaism had no appalling institutional dysfunction that led to wide scale abuse of minors.

    Further, you'll find plenty of threads on here that criticise in no uncertain terms the practice of genital mutilation which Jews partake in.

    If you want to start a thread about the Jewish religion then fire away - nobody is stopping you.


  • #44
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Mammanabammana wrote: »
    Is it just me? Or is anybody else starting to get tired of seeing thread after thread hijacked by people who can't wait to stick the boot into the church (specifically RC, although there may be others)...it's now getting to a point where I sit reading threads, waiting for somebody to grab any excuse at all to have a go at the church. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a church advocate or defender at all, and I'm, as much as anybody else, sickened by the behaviour of the church, not only in Ireland but worldwide. (They're starting to throw their weight around in the Philippines now because of a new government ruling that family planning - as in contraception - should be state funded and properly provided and the hypocrisy is frankly disgusting).

    But it's getting to a point where I seem to be constantly reading threads and then suddenly, out of nowhere, a complete non seqitur pops up just for somebody to have a go at the church and for no other reason. Why bother? What's the point? If you want to have a go at the church, start a thread about it, find another forum...

    But stop hijacking my enjoyment of AH with your church bashing. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm not saying stop doing it, I'm not saying ignore your convictions...

    I'm just saying, find a proper place to talk about it if it pisses you off THAT much, and stop throwing it in my face over and over again!

    I disagree with you OP for a number of reasons:

    1) I think criticism of how the Roman Catholic Church handled child abuse for example is completely welcome. These actions were clearly against Christian teaching.

    2) I think legitimate discussion shouldn't be stifled on boards.ie. I disagree with discussions being ended just because they offend people.

    3) I welcome debate on the subject of Christianity. I'd rather see this than people fob off the subject completely. Rather what we have is a forceful debate on either side if both are willing to listen. I do see a lot of ignorance and lies spouted about Christianity here, but at least it gives me and others the opportunity to stand up and discuss.

    4) If you get "pissed off" by what you read in After Hours, I'd suggest taking a long walk or something and then come to the conclusion that it's the internet. In reality people are going be far more bullish in their argumentation than in real life.

    5) Most people on boards.ie to be honest are atheists. This means that it's going to be inevitable that you're going to get this kind of discussion. Irrespective of how much I disagree with them I think it's fundamentally wrong to tell people to stop telling the truth about what they think in order to make you feel better.


  • #45
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Down with this sort of thing.


    Careful now.


  • #46
    alph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 145 ✭✭alph


    dodderangler wrote: »
    If church was really like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beN7FftWNCM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Reminds me of a situation i found myself in while christmas shopping


  • #47
    tallaghtmick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭tallaghtmick


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    I am an Irish passport holder.
    However, if I decided to ever give up my passport I wouldn't qualify for another country's. I was born here and pay tax here so I'm well entitled to carry a passport.

    As for my education - you'd need a PhD to trump me.



    The RCC has no relevance today.
    They are anti woman
    Anti gay
    Anti health (contraception)
    Anti divorce
    Anti abortion
    They raped our children and covered up their deeds.
    Not to mention the fact that their whole basis for existence is a pack of lies.

    So I make no excuses for coming onto the odd thread and putting the boot in to them. They well desrve it.

    Did you go back in time and have kids in the 40's:pac:


  • #48
    newmug
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    What bigotry? My position on the RCC is based on their actions. I had no biases before hand. As for hatred, that is the perfect emotion one employs when discussing an organisation whose members raped children, covered it up and continue to look to place the blame elsewhere. Should I not hate such an organisation?
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Also, in my opinion anybody who backs up the church in any way is helping to cover up their crimes of child rape.

    So you know what I think of you!


    I am a Catholic. I never raped anyone. I never facilitated the rape of anyone. Of the 2 billion or so of us, I've only heard of a handful of rapists who do not represent me or my views, hiding among our ranks. I didnt cover up for them or keep their deeds a secret, I only heard about their un-Catholic, un-Christian acts at the same time as everyone else. I am as repulsed as you, and I wish the government would administer justice to these people.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71742892&postcount=18


    @ OP, I think we should go on the offensive. Every time a good thread gets side-tracked by some random Church bashing, we should highlight the ridiculousness of that by other random off-topic nonsense, eg. start a conversation about classic cars or best flavours of Tayto.


  • #49
    Randy Anders
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭Randy Anders


    The irony in all of this is that a very high percentage of posters who bitch and moan about religion and all it's wrong doings will end up, or already have ended up, sending their kids to a religious school where prayers and visits from priests are common place. It's absolute hypocrisy

    I personally do not believe the church should have any role whatsoever in the running of public schools but I know for a fact that when my children are old enough to be enrolled in a particular school, they will be attending a secular institution

    I'm completely fed up of people saying ''oh but the best schools in my area are catholic schools so I'll send Johnny there'' and then listening to them bitch on the net or radio about how religion has a stranglehold on society. If people acted on their beliefs and stopped sending their kids to these religious schools, it wouldn't be long before the church started to disappear into oblivion


  • #50
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    tallaghtmick wrote: »
    Did you go back in time and have kids in the 40's:pac:

    The reports indicate that it went on right through the 1990's. I think we need to be careful before making comments like this. We don't know who else is reading, or posting on this thread. Flippant comments like this aren't helpful to anyone.
    Randy Anders wrote: »
    The irony in all of this is that a very high percentage of posters who bitch and moan about religion and all it's wrong doings will end up, or already have ended up, sending their kids to a religious school where prayers and visits from priests are common place. It's absolute hypocrisy

    I personally do not believe the church should have any role whatsoever in the running of public schools but I know for a fact that when my children are old enough to be enrolled in a particular school, they will be attending a secular institution

    I'm completely fed up of people syaing ''oh but the best schools in my area are catholic schools so I'll send Johnny there'' and then listening to them bitch on the net or radio about how religion has a stranglehold on society. If people acted on their beliefs and stopped sending their kids to these religious schools, it wouldn't be long before the church started to disappear into oblivion

    There's not a great alternative in this State for parents who want a secular education. Many people in Ireland send their kids to a faith school just because there is no other alternative.

    I don't agree with getting rid of all faith schools, but I do think there should be more secular choice, and I think there should be less faith schools. That way Catholic schools will be attended by Catholics and will have the freedom to take that ethos more seriously while others in the State have the choice to send their children to a secular school, Church of Ireland schools and so on.

    For example, baptism as a criteria for entering into schools is unhelpful. It makes parents who don't believe in the value of ritual engage in it for expedience. In my class in school there were a number of kids whose parents were Pentecostal / non-denominational who didn't baptise their kids as infants who were restricted in their choice of school as a result.


  • #51
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    Randy Anders wrote: »
    The irony in all of this is that a very high percentage of posters who bitch and moan about religion and all it's wrong doings will end up, or already have ended up, sending their kids to a religious school where prayers and visits from priests are common place. It's absolute hypocrisy

    I personally do not believe the church should have any role whatsoever in the running of public schools but I know for a fact that when my children are old enough to be enrolled in a particular school, they will be attending a secular institution

    I'm completely fed up of people saying ''oh but the best schools in my area are catholic schools so I'll send Johnny there'' and then listening to them bitch on the net or radio about how religion has a stranglehold on society. If people acted on their beliefs and stopped sending their kids to these religious schools, it wouldn't be long before the church started to disappear into oblivion

    For sure some people are entirely hypocritical on this point, however for many others there is a severe lack of options. 92% of the schools in this country are of a Catholic 'ethos', and once you get outside Dublin etc., the chances of having a non-denominational school anywhere within a reasonable driving distance are low to non-existent.


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