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Heating System Upgrade - Costings

  • 05-02-2013 03:00PM
    #1
    wimpybeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭


    Hi,

    I have been reading a lot of posts on the cost of upgrading and putting in a new central heating system here and I have just got a quote for my job and I think it looks pretty high. Can anyone offer their advice on the below details.

    We just moved into our new home a couple of months ago. It technically was treated as two homes (old cottage & two level extension which is 20 years old) and because of this it has two separate CHS. We live in the extension at the moment but the long term is to make it one home.

    Both systems are oil and are oil range cookers/boilers that are 30+ years old with drip feed systems and no timers :-0

    We got a quote to join the two systems up, remove and install a new oil condensing boiler in a coal shed (this will be the new boiler house and is attached to the house with electricity) and it came in at 7,200 excluding vat and excluding the grant. If you include the grant and VAT, its ~7500.

    A more exact detail of the quote are:
    Supply & fit 35kw Grant Vortex boiler
    Remote firevalve & magniclean filter
    Run new oil line from tank to boiler
    Run 1" copper from boiler to hot-press
    Run heating & hot water pipes from hot-press to cottage and lag in armoflex
    Disconnect & remove hot-press in cottage
    Supply & fit 300L stainless steel dual coil hot water cylinder
    Re-pipe hot-press, flush heating system and fit one rad in hot-press
    Fit 4 zone heating controls, controlled via 4 channel 7 day programmer, 3 digital room thermostats controlling 3 heating zones (cottage, new house downstairs, new house upstairs).
    Cylinder stat controlling hot water
    4 motorised valves
    Replace cold water storage tank in Attic
    Includes all electrical work


    So this is excluding replacing radiators (except 1 new one) and excluding the solar kit too


    From my research I have done some checks on equipment

    Grant Vortex 35kW Boiler House Model: €1,200 Incl Vat
    Flue Kit: €160 Incl VAT
    300L Stainless steel dual Coil solar hot water: ~€1000

    So that's the two main costs that I could see and there's a ~€5000 euro gap

    I don't know the cost of copper pipes, thermostats, and valves but I'm struggling to imagine its more than another €2000 which would leave €3000 profit.

    I also asked about time and I was told 4-5 days for the work.

    Some other details that might help.
    Will be moving current oil tank to a new place
    New oil line run will be ~15 meters
    New pipes to run from new boiler house to hot-press will be ~8 meters
    Pipes to run from hot-press to cottage will be ~20 meters


    So after reading that, do you think im being a bit too tough on the price or does that sound okay?

    Oh, I live in Leinster but not Dublin so its not even a Dublin premium either :-)

    Thanks for any advice you can offer,

    Wimpy

    P.S. I got the new rads and the solar kit priced separately and I can include them later if anyone is interested but I want to focus on this first question ;-)


Comments

  • #2
    Colm R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Colm R


    Slightly more expensive than you for:

    New Boiler - Grant Vortex
    New cold water storage tanks X 2.
    Pump to give added pressure to the non-mains taps.
    triple coiled hot water cylinder 300 litres
    dismantling of the old hot press (new hot press is in the attic - its not a press ;) )
    2 new rads, all old rads were used.
    And I'd say this is where the difference is - complete re-piping of the entire heating network of pipes with a mixture of copper and qualpex.
    I also had some plumbing work thrown in for some sinks and washing machines but these were minor when compared to the other system.

    Anyway, I'm not an expert, but I would think it sounds fair enough!


  • #3
    corkgsxr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭corkgsxr


    maybe abit dear but your going for nearly brand new plumbing for the house. youd be amazed how much piping and fittings add up


  • #4
    Dtp79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    wimpybeaver wrote: »
    Hi,

    I have been reading a lot of posts on the cost of upgrading and putting in a new central heating system here and I have just got a quote for my job and I think it looks pretty high. Can anyone offer their advice on the below details.

    We just moved into our new home a couple of months ago. It technically was treated as two homes (old cottage & two level extension which is 20 years old) and because of this it has two separate CHS. We live in the extension at the moment but the long term is to make it one home.

    Both systems are oil and are oil range cookers/boilers that are 30+ years old with drip feed systems and no timers :-0

    We got a quote to join the two systems up, remove and install a new oil condensing boiler in a coal shed (this will be the new boiler house and is attached to the house with electricity) and it came in at 7,200 excluding vat and excluding the grant. If you include the grant and VAT, its ~7500.

    A more exact detail of the quote are:
    Supply & fit 35kw Grant Vortex boiler
    Remote firevalve & magniclean filter
    Run new oil line from tank to boiler
    Run 1" copper from boiler to hot-press
    Run heating & hot water pipes from hot-press to cottage and lag in armoflex
    Disconnect & remove hot-press in cottage
    Supply & fit 300L stainless steel dual coil hot water cylinder
    Re-pipe hot-press, flush heating system and fit one rad in hot-press
    Fit 4 zone heating controls, controlled via 4 channel 7 day programmer, 3 digital room thermostats controlling 3 heating zones (cottage, new house downstairs, new house upstairs).
    Cylinder stat controlling hot water
    4 motorised valves
    Replace cold water storage tank in Attic
    Includes all electrical work


    So this is excluding replacing radiators (except 1 new one) and excluding the solar kit too


    From my research I have done some checks on equipment

    Grant Vortex 35kW Boiler House Model: €1,200 Incl Vat
    Flue Kit: €160 Incl VAT
    300L Stainless steel dual Coil solar hot water: ~€1000

    So that's the two main costs that I could see and there's a ~€5000 euro gap

    I don't know the cost of copper pipes, thermostats, and valves but I'm struggling to imagine its more than another €2000 which would leave €3000 profit.

    I also asked about time and I was told 4-5 days for the work.

    Some other details that might help.
    Will be moving current oil tank to a new place
    New oil line run will be ~15 meters
    New pipes to run from new boiler house to hot-press will be ~8 meters
    Pipes to run from hot-press to cottage will be ~20 meters


    So after reading that, do you think im being a bit too tough on the price or does that sound okay?

    Oh, I live in Leinster but not Dublin so its not even a Dublin premium either :-)

    Thanks for any advice you can offer,

    Wimpy

    P.S. I got the new rads and the solar kit priced separately and I can include them later if anyone is interested but I want to focus on this first question ;-)
    1" pipe is nearly 40 euro a length.
    3/4 is over 30 euro.
    Plenty of piping and fittings in a new hotpress. Motorised valves are 60 a piece. A powerflush is 500. A magnaclean filter is 150. 1 length of top quality lagging is 10 euro. It takes 3 lagging for one length of copper. Then there's circulating pump and valves probably 100. That'd be a good bit of money added up. Anything that's left isn't "profit", it's what the man charges for labour.


  • #5
    ccsolar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭ccsolar


    wimpybeaver wrote: »
    Hi,

    I have been reading a lot of posts on the cost of upgrading and putting in a new central heating system here and I have just got a quote for my job and I think it looks pretty high. Can anyone offer their advice on the below details.

    We just moved into our new home a couple of months ago. It technically was treated as two homes (old cottage & two level extension which is 20 years old) and because of this it has two separate CHS. We live in the extension at the moment but the long term is to make it one home.

    Both systems are oil and are oil range cookers/boilers that are 30+ years old with drip feed systems and no timers :-0

    We got a quote to join the two systems up, remove and install a new oil condensing boiler in a coal shed (this will be the new boiler house and is attached to the house with electricity) and it came in at 7,200 excluding vat and excluding the grant. If you include the grant and VAT, its ~7500.

    A more exact detail of the quote are:
    Supply & fit 35kw Grant Vortex boiler
    Remote firevalve & magniclean filter
    Run new oil line from tank to boiler
    Run 1" copper from boiler to hot-press
    Run heating & hot water pipes from hot-press to cottage and lag in armoflex
    Disconnect & remove hot-press in cottage
    Supply & fit 300L stainless steel dual coil hot water cylinder
    Re-pipe hot-press, flush heating system and fit one rad in hot-press
    Fit 4 zone heating controls, controlled via 4 channel 7 day programmer, 3 digital room thermostats controlling 3 heating zones (cottage, new house downstairs, new house upstairs).
    Cylinder stat controlling hot water
    4 motorised valves
    Replace cold water storage tank in Attic
    Includes all electrical work


    So this is excluding replacing radiators (except 1 new one) and excluding the solar kit too


    From my research I have done some checks on equipment

    Grant Vortex 35kW Boiler House Model: €1,200 Incl Vat
    Flue Kit: €160 Incl VAT
    300L Stainless steel dual Coil solar hot water: ~€1000

    So that's the two main costs that I could see and there's a ~€5000 euro gap

    I don't know the cost of copper pipes, thermostats, and valves but I'm struggling to imagine its more than another €2000 which would leave €3000 profit.

    I also asked about time and I was told 4-5 days for the work.

    Some other details that might help.
    Will be moving current oil tank to a new place
    New oil line run will be ~15 meters
    New pipes to run from new boiler house to hot-press will be ~8 meters
    Pipes to run from hot-press to cottage will be ~20 meters


    So after reading that, do you think im being a bit too tough on the price or does that sound okay?

    Oh, I live in Leinster but not Dublin so its not even a Dublin premium either :-)

    Thanks for any advice you can offer,

    Wimpy

    P.S. I got the new rads and the solar kit priced separately and I can include them later if anyone is interested but I want to focus on this first question ;-)
    Hi wimpeyBeaver
    It sounds a bit expensive to me ,
    300 litre s/s dual coil tank €1000 is very expensive, €800 is a max price for these tanks.
    Why is he pricing in copper when he could use multi-layer piping with out any joints under the floor, it's cheaper and less labour involved.
    Get a few quotes but make sure they are itemised as you need to compare the quality of material been quoted.
    This guy is in business and is entitled to make a profit.
    Shop around and find out if he is charging vat @ 23% or 13.5%
    Best of look
    Cc


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