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the right dog with kids????

  • 12-03-2013 12:09PM
    #1
    amyjtyrrell
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    Hi all,
    We are looking into get a puppy to add to the family.
    I have a one and a half year old little boy & I'd love for him to grow up with a dog.
    Both me and my partner have never had a dog ourselves so we are a bit clueless.
    Just looking for advice on what breed of dog to get....
    I'd like it to be small and not to shed. We are planning on keeping d dog mostly indoors. It obviously would have to be good natured with kids too.

    Any advice????????

    Thanks in advance :-)


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  • #2
    ABajaninCork
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    A Shih Tzu is the answer!

    Doesn't shed, doesn't need much walking (well, unless you're got one like mine who likes 5 mile walkies! :D), great with kids, very affectionate and a wonderful companion. They just LOVE to play and never grow up. Great watchdog too!!

    Downsides? If you're not careful they will rule you with a rod of iron, so socialisation and training classes are important. Grooming is also important. You need to commit to brushing the dog out at least every other day and a trip to the groomer every six weeks to be clipped and groomed.

    I recommended the breed to my friend in London who wanted a dog for her granddaughter. She got one, and has never been happier. Dog is great with the child, very patient and a great companion to my friend. She's totally won over by them.

    Choose your dog carefully, and you'll have a wonderful companion for many years. Shih Tzu are very hardy and can live for 15-17 years.

    Good luck! :D


  • #3
    liamjones1954
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  • #4
    ABajaninCork
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    Whatever breed you get, DON'T buy from Done Deal!!


  • #5
    Zulu
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    If you've never had a dog, you really have no idea the amount of work, time and patience involved. Lets just get that out of the way. Can I suggest that before you look at breeds, you consider the animal first? (perhaps you've already done this) Ultimately every dog is different irregardless of breed, and a lot (if not nearly all) of it come down to you and your relationship with the dog - so is it really a dog you want? Are you up for the responsibility?

    Do not get a dog if it's "just for" your child. You are the one taking it in, therefore you are the one responsible. You'll need to walk it daily (irregardless of weather) you'll need to train it and you'll need to make sure it's safe. All that will be on you. So research, research, research...

    And with that out of the way, there is no "right" dog breed for children. But some breeds tend to be more accepting of children than others. Some are less possive than others etc.. I have a two year old Labrador and a 3 month old daughter. Our lab is perfect, but that's because I NEVER EVER EVER leave them unsupervised. EVER. EVER EVER. Labs are traditionally considered good with kids/family dogs, but they are also working dogs. Because I have a working dog, I need to do a 40-60mins walk everyday (and yesterday it was bloody cold let me tell you) without fail. If I don't then the dog will expell her energy in different ways - and read different ways as being mischievous.

    I have to go now, but I'll finish this later.


  • #6
    kylith
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    Be aware that smaller dogs aren't necessarily better for children. They can be hurt by accident quite easily, and some breeds with high prey drives, like some terriers, may get overexcited by children running and squealing and may bite.

    If I were getting a puppy myself, and I had a young child, I'd probably look at spaniels; cockers and springers especially, or a staffie. My brother has a Lab X Beagle (i think that's what she is) that's an absolute dote with kids, really gentle; even the children who are nervous of dogs love her.


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  • #7
    RoryMurphyJnr
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    Certainly wouldn't be getting any small breed of dog.

    We got a Male Golden Retriever when our lad was 1.5yrs.
    Nice to see them growing up and they are the best of pals.
    The dog will come in if the wee lad is crying to see if he's ok.

    when we were checking out getting a dog, pretty much every breed other than a Retriever and a Lab were off the table

    that's my 2 cents worth


  • #8
    borderlinemeath
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    kylith wrote: »
    Be aware that smaller dogs aren't necessarily better for children. They can be hurt by accident quite easily, and some breeds with high prey drives, like some terriers, may get overexcited by children running and squealing and may bite.

    +1

    And also smaller dogs are much easier manhandled by children, kids will want to pick the dog up, which isn't necessarily what the dog wants. A child can't read the dogs body language so it's up to you to maintain close supervision.


  • #9
    The Pheasant
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    I wouldn't get a small breed, in my experience they're much more nippy than larger dogs


  • #10
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    Thank you for all your replys.
    Although I have never had a dog I am preparing myself for it to be like having another child coz nothing can be Harder than kids and at least if it's much easier i will b pleasantly surprised!!!!!!!

    Will defiently do some research on ****z zus they look really cute!!!!

    As for walking the dog I hope the dog can keep up wit me !!!!! I myself need to be walked daily so be nice to have a friend that enjoys it too!!!!!!!!

    Think the best solution js to visit a dog shelter and see how it goes from there.
    Thanks for the advice guys :-)


  • #11
    Manach
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    Labradors I've found always to be playful yet restrained around children.


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  • #12
    ABajaninCork
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    Didn't the OP say she wanted a low/non shed dog???


  • #13
    Knine
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    The Pheasant wrote: »
    I wouldn't get a small breed, in my experience they're much more nippy than larger dogs

    Rubbish. You could also say larger dogs are more likely to knock over a child. The reality is that with proper training there are lots of breeds or crossbreeds that would make an excellent pet. This is regardless of size.


  • #14
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Didn't the OP say she wanted a low/non shed dog???
    Yes defiently a dog that doesn't shed. The plan is to mostly keep the dog indoors but for it not to be afraid of the back garden either!!!!!


  • #15
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    Knine wrote: »

    Rubbish. You could also say larger dogs are more likely to knock over a child. The reality is that with proper training there are lots of breeds or crossbreeds that would make an excellent pet. This is regardless of size.

    Good point I also feel that i would even be a little nervous with a big dog and a small child. I would also feel a bit nervous walking a big dog. Like if the dog got over excited would I be able control it as with a small dog at least I would be more in control ...... Hopefully!!!!!!!!!


  • #16
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Whatever breed you get, DON'T buy from Done Deal!!

    Have you had a bad experience?????


  • #17
    Nody
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »
    Have you had a bad experience?????
    Read the sticky on puppy farms; that's the main reason most people in this forum would not recommend DD or similar pages.


  • #18
    Knine
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »

    Good point I also feel that i would even be a little nervous with a big dog and a small child. I would also feel a bit nervous walking a big dog. Like if the dog got over excited would I be able control it as with a small dog at least I would be more in control ...... Hopefully!!!!!!!!!

    What I actually mean is that both small and large dogs can make great pets. I have both. Definitely my young children find the smaller dogs easier, however the child needs just as much training as the dogs!

    They must always be supervised together.


  • #19
    kylith
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »

    Will defiently do some research on ****z zus they look really cute!!!!

    As for walking the dog I hope the dog can keep up wit me !!!!! I myself need to be walked daily so be nice to have a friend that enjoys it too!!!!!!!!

    Think the best solution js to visit a dog shelter and see how it goes from there.
    Thanks for the advice guys :-)

    From the few shi-tzus I've known they're not much for walking; 20 mins a couple of times a day is all they need, so if you walk a lot a more active breed would be better.

    A friend of mine who works in a vets has told me in the past that they're one of the breeds most likely to bite, but that could be more down to upbringing.


  • #20
    Kloecor
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »
    Hi all,
    We are looking into get a puppy to add to the family.
    I have a one and a half year old little boy & I'd love for him to grow up with a dog.
    Both me and my partner have never had a dog ourselves so we are a bit clueless.
    Just looking for advice on what breed of dog to get....
    I'd like it to be small and not to shed. We are planning on keeping d dog mostly indoors. It obviously would have to be good natured with kids too.

    Any advice????????

    Thanks in advance :-)


    Such a difficult question!! Do you know what sized dog you want or does that matter? People always say not to get a big dog as they are much more difficult but from my experience of having huge dogs to toy dogs, the bigger ones are FAR more smarter and calm!

    I would get a bichon frise if you're going for a small dog and maybe something like a labradoodle if you want a big one. Both are non shed and are cute!

    I've gotten all my dogs from the dog shelter. Go there and they the person in charge and they will suggest suitable dogs. Main thing with shelters is to just be patient. It tooks me two months for my best friend to show up in the pound and he's AMAZING! And the same with my mam's Bichon Frise. We love them so much and it feels great to give a dog in need and lovely home.

    And it's a great idea to have your child to grow up with a dog. It was probably the best thing my parents did for me and my siblings when we were growing up :-)


  • #21
    Duvetdays
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    I grew up with a black lab and he was the best dog one could want we had him from when I was one up until I was about 13 he was a stray we took in. I couldn't recommend one enough although they do shed somewhat. We also had a ****zu he was the nastiest most horrible little thing he put me right off them. I currently have a westie and she's great and hardy and doesn't shed but I do fear they can be a nippy breed with children.

    Currently my gran has a Tibetan terrier x she also doesn't really shed and is an extremely pleasent friendly dog.

    Keep in mind that certain breeds need to be groomed 2/3 times per year and it can be quite costly.


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  • #22
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    I have just been researching and came upon havanese dogs????? They are adorable and seem very friendly has anyone got one??? X


  • #23
    Justask
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    If your a walker as u say my opinion is a springer. The most gentle dog with kids.
    But ALL dogs have to be supervised as I'm sure u know.
    Best of luck with whatever u go for :)


  • #24
    andreac
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »
    I have just been researching and came upon havanese dogs????? They are adorable and seem very friendly has anyone got one??? X

    They arent a very common breed so you wont source one too easy in Ireland. Plus they would be quite costly as well.

    They are quite expensive as well to buy as there wouldnt be too many breeding them.
    If you like that type of dog then i suggest a Lhasa Apso or a Shih Tzu. Quite similar type of dog and a lot easier to find.


  • #25
    ABajaninCork
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    amyjtyrrell wrote: »
    Have you had a bad experience?????

    No. I was lucky. I got mine from Done Deal. In my defence, I hadn't been in the country long, and had no real knowledge where to get the dog. But I've had dogs before and knew what to look for. We also made sure we saw the dog with the dam and sire and checked out the environment he was kept in. There's good and bad breeders everywhere, whether they're registered with the IKC or not.

    The reason why I told you to steer clear of DD is that you don't know anything about dogs, and had never had one before. Do your research, check out dog shows and speak to a vet.


  • #26
    ABajaninCork
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    kylith wrote: »
    From the few shi-tzus I've known they're not much for walking; 20 mins a couple of times a day is all they need, so if you walk a lot a more active breed would be better.

    That is true of SOME of the breed. Not mine!! I've just come back from a four mile walk with my fella. He's been watered, fed, and is now bothering me to play with his squeaky toy!!
    kylith wrote: »
    A friend of mine who works in a vets has told me in the past that they're one of the breeds most likely to bite, but that could be more down to upbringing.

    Yes, it's down to upbringing. ANY dog can bite if nervous. Shih Tzu are no more likely to bite than a Dobie or Alsatian. That is why the dog needs to be socialised early.
    andreac wrote: »
    They arent a very common breed so you wont source one too easy in Ireland. Plus they would be quite costly as well.

    They are quite expensive as well to buy as there wouldnt be too many breeding them.
    If you like that type of dog then i suggest a Lhasa Apso or a Shih Tzu. Quite similar type of dog and a lot easier to find.

    True. We once met a gentleman in town who was talking to us about our dog. He had a Havanese and showed us pictures. The dog is lovely!! Mind you - she ought to have been. This gentleman told us he paid £1500 for her and brought her over from the UK. Apparently, there is only one breeder in Ireland who is (I think) based in Waterford.


  • #27
    cocker5
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    Personally I think a lot has to do with the “rearing” (if that word is appropriate here) of a dog.

    Yes there are certain breed more family friendly than others, a lot has to do with socialisation / family integration and training of a dog andalso the personally of the dog itself -they are similar to humans they have personalities and are all different– just myopinion.


    I have a wonderful cocker who would make an amazing family pet he is excellent with kids (of all ages) and an all-round lovely fella, and I have met tons of lovely cockers, BUT I have also met some grumpy / snappy cockers too… so it all depends really.


    I’m probably going to go against the gain here and say I wouldn’tget a puppy if I had a young child / baby.

    Personally I would wait until your child (children) is 5 orso a year and a half is far too young and at 5 they can still grow up together no problem.

    A puppy will play bite and knock your child over with boisterous behaviour (perfectly normal) and your baby / child will pull / hurt the puppy and annoy the puppy (perfectly normal too until they know better) but a combination of both being so young and neither understand boundaries could lead to issues . That’s just what I think.


    Also again not meaning to sound patronising but if neither of you have owned a dog before I wouldn’t recommend getting one with a very young child. If you decide to have another child… will you have time for two childrenand a puppy / young dog? Many many people decide they don’t and the dog becomes disposable at this point, A dog is a 15 year commitment…. Don’t mean to sound harsh im just pointing out all considerations.


    I have grown up with dogs my entire life as has my hubby, we got our own dog aged 25/26 and we were in for a shock, the first two years were very trying (for all 3 of us)… we hadn’t anticipated all the work, time, money,energy, consideration etc. that goes in to actually solely owing a dog (notbeing my family dog etc.), I would personally get a cat / kitten if I were you.They require a lot less training etc… and your child still gets a lovely pet.


    Best of luck with whatever you guys decide.


  • #28
    Magenta
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    In my opinion, the reason smaller dogs tend to be more snappy is because of how they are treated.

    Small dog growls, or is lunging on the leash at another dog "Oh, he's so cute! The little man that thinks he can!". Dog at most gets a tut-tut like a child would.

    Big dog growls, or is lunging on the leash at another dog "Oh, he's DANGEROUS!!!". Dog is disciplined.

    Even as regards jumping up. Small dogs that jump up are treated as cute, big dogs are treated as a problem.


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    fatmammycat
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    Magenta wrote: »
    In my opinion, the reason smaller dogs tend to be more snappy is because of how they are treated.

    Small dog growls, or is lunging on the leash at another dog "Oh, he's so cute! The little man that thinks he can!". Dog at most gets a tut-tut like a child would.

    Big dog growls, or is lunging on the leash at another dog "Oh, he's DANGEROUS!!!". Dog is disciplined.

    Even as regards jumping up. Small dogs that jump up are treated as cute, big dogs are treated as a problem.

    This! A thousand times this. I've had a number of snappy yappies come up to me and my GSD, giving it socks, and the owners laugh and say odd things like 'oh, your dog could have him for breakfast!' Er, I know that, please control your animal.


  • #30
    Ziegfeldgirl27
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    Just be aware that if you are interested in Shih Tzus or Lhasa Apsos, they require a LOT of grooming.


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  • #31
    DBB
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    One more thing to bear in mind OP, given that you've indicated that you'll go to a shelter to get a dog.
    With a young child, I would steer clear of shelters... they simply can't tell you enough of what you need to know about a prospective dog. Shelter accommodation is not particularly conducive to getting an accurate idea of what a dog is like in a home environment, with kids, with the postman, in the car, with vacuum cleaners etc etc. Dogs living in kennels are often quite inhibited, and may not start to show their true colours until they're settled in a new home.
    However, a reputable rescue organisation who places their dogs into foster care is a much better option. The dog is still coming from the pound, but it spends some time in a "half-way house" (fostercare) so that it can be assessed in any or all of the above scenarios. If you go for an adult dog, it'll be neutered already for you, vaccinated, microchipped etc. In other words, this is a great way to get a dog from the pound, but also to know what you're getting.
    I'd agree that a puppy with a small child is a huge amount to take on, and I wouldn't advise it. Puppies are VERY hard work (I've heard more than one experienced mother say that pups are harder work than babies... though the hard work doesn't last as long!), and the combination of a baby dog with a baby human is not for the faint hearted. You'd have two babies, and one of them has very sharp teeth.. not a good combination.
    So, I think a young adult, and if you're going down the rescue route, go for a reputable rescue that fosters.

    If you're going for a purebred dog, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Cavalier King Charles! A tad prone to health problems (but then many purebreds are, and if you go to a good breeder you should minimise the risks), but as a general rule they're tremendously biddable. They're not enormous shedders either, though they do shed.
    Finally, because I have to say this... not a Westie :o. Definitely, not a Westie. Any terrier, in fact, is a higher risk.

    Edited to add: I had meant to say at the start of my post, but forgot! You're off to a good start OP, doing your research before you take the plunge is so important (you'd be surprised at how many owners only discover their dog is of a breed that is not known for being good with kids, after their dog has bitten one of the kids). So, kudos to you for trying to find out more!


  • #32
    gcgirl
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    kylith wrote: »
    Be aware that smaller dogs aren't necessarily better for children. They can be hurt by accident quite easily, and some breeds with high prey drives, like some terriers, may get overexcited by children running and squealing and may bite.

    If I were getting a puppy myself, and I had a young child, I'd probably look at spaniels; cockers and springers especially, or a staffie. My brother has a Lab X Beagle (i think that's what she is) that's an absolute dote with kids, really gentle; even the children who are nervous of dogs love her.
    Plus a million


  • #33
    Knine
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    I have terriers and they are fantastic with kids, one of whom has a severe disability. Many friends of mine have terriers and young children. Terriers will be still running around playing with kids long after other small breeds are tired!

    I would not recommend Cockers around young children although they make fine pets for older kids. I have also got a Cocker.


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    DBB
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    Knine wrote: »
    I have terriers and they are fantastic with kids, one of whom has a severe disability. Many friends of mine have terriers and young children. Terriers will be still running around playing with kids long after other small breeds are tired!

    I would not recommend Cockers around young children although they make fine pets for older kids. I have also got a Cocker.

    +1 on the Cocker.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to tar all terriers with one brush, but as a group of dogs they are higher risk with small kids than other dog types. There will always be exceptions to this rule, always, but as a general rule, it's higher risk to buy a terrier pup where there's a small child than it is to buy, say, a Spaniel pup (I'm thinking Cavalier, Tibetan, possibly Springer).
    And in fairness, I know many a terrier that likes kids, but not to live with 24/7. They're fine, playful, friendly etc with visiting kids, but aren't quite patient enough to live with them full time.
    And some breeds of terrier have a better reputation with children, including Borders, Airedales, and JRTs, which often seem to be either wonderful with children, or the other extreme. And Staffies of course!


  • #35
    mymo
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    I have a Lhasa Apso who is mostly a lazy lump mooching about for cuddles, but she loves her walks.She has walked for 3hrs before no bother, often does a walk with daughter and her friends with our other dog and their dogs(so lots of running and playing) for up to 2hrs. She still expects a second and even third walk every day.
    They are great little characters, mine loves to play and run around with kids, is very good with my friends special needs child, and very smart.
    Ours knows lots of commands and loves games (hide and seek gets her really excited), but they do need a lot of grooming (non shed but brushing daily and regular trims) and strict training. They are also slightly cat like and love to play and pounce on things, and mine will kill a rat if she catches one and has had a damn good go at catching a pheasant!


  • #36
    Knine
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    DBB wrote: »

    +1 on the Cocker.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't want to tar all terriers with one brush, but as a group of dogs they are higher risk with small kids than other dog types. There will always be exceptions to this rule, always, but as a general rule, it's higher risk to buy a terrier pup where there's a small child than it is to buy, say, a Spaniel pup (I'm thinking Cavalier, Tibetan, possibly Springer).
    And in fairness, I know many a terrier that likes kids, but not to live with 24/7. They're fine, playful, friendly etc with visiting kids, but aren't quite patient enough to live with them full time.
    And some breeds of terrier have a better reputation with children, including Borders, Airedales, and JRTs, which often seem to be either wonderful with children, or the other extreme. And Staffies of course!


    Mine are fantastic 24/7 with the kids, its me that needs the patience!

    I've yet to meet a Staffie or Border that did not like kids.

    Many people think Cockers & Springers are similar but Cockers are a lot more fiery and I would not recommend one as a first dog.

    CKC's just have far too many health issues and for me personally are not lively enough but then many would find my dogs the opposite as they have very high drive.


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  • #37
    phelo2121
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    op would you consider a whippet they have lovely temperaments are very gently are medium in size don't shed a huge amount and are fairly lazy obviously they Have to be walked but usually laze around the house ! I Have have a five month whippet and she's very good with my niece obviously like every puppy she jumps and mouths but that's all down to training !
    if you have very young kids and are nit experienced dog owners maybe wait a while puppies are a lot of work! but if you do decide to get a pup please ensure to see pups parents to see what their temperaments are like and research around to know which pup to choose from three litter .good luck


  • #38
    CelticRambler
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    cocker5 wrote: »
    Personally I think a lot has to do with the “rearing” (if that word is appropriate here) of a dog.

    Yes there are certain breed more family friendly than others, a lot has to do with socialisation / family integration and training of a dog andalso the personally of the dog itself -they are similar to humans they have personalities and are all different– just myopinion.


    I have a wonderful cocker who would make an amazing family pet he is excellent with kids (of all ages) and an all-round lovely fella, and I have met tons of lovely cockers, BUT I have also met some grumpy / snappy cockers too… so it all depends really.


    I’m probably going to go against the gain here and say I wouldn’tget a puppy if I had a young child / baby.

    Personally I would wait until your child (children) is 5 orso a year and a half is far too young and at 5 they can still grow up together no problem.

    A puppy will play bite and knock your child over with boisterous behaviour (perfectly normal) and your baby / child will pull / hurt the puppy and annoy the puppy (perfectly normal too until they know better) but a combination of both being so young and neither understand boundaries could lead to issues . That’s just what I think.


    Also again not meaning to sound patronising but if neither of you have owned a dog before I wouldn’t recommend getting one with a very young child. If you decide to have another child… will you have time for two childrenand a puppy / young dog? Many many people decide they don’t and the dog becomes disposable at this point, A dog is a 15 year commitment…. Don’t mean to sound harsh im just pointing out all considerations.


    I have grown up with dogs my entire life as has my hubby, we got our own dog aged 25/26 and we were in for a shock, the first two years were very trying (for all 3 of us)… we hadn’t anticipated all the work, time, money,energy, consideration etc. that goes in to actually solely owing a dog (notbeing my family dog etc.), I would personally get a cat / kitten if I were you.They require a lot less training etc… and your child still gets a lovely pet.


    Best of luck with whatever you guys decide.

    A lot of good advice in cocker5's post, and I would agree that first-time parenting and first-time puppy-rearing are not a good combination.

    No-one's mentioned toilet-training - another thing to add to the list of "learning experiences" you'll have to cope with. I know of a couple (friends of a friend) who are still cleaning up after their 14-month old "puppy" because they started in very much the same circumstances as you described, then got distracted by a second child. My friend has come to hate going 'round to their house becase the dog (a shih tzu :rolleyes: ) basically does anything it wants (including walking on the table)

    Also, while it might be easier to hang onto a small dog when you've got him/her on the lead, they find it much easier to escape if the humour takes them.

    And personally, I'd much rather hoover up after a shedding dog than spend hours grooming.


  • #39
    Knine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Knine


    DBB wrote: »
    One more thing to bear in mind OP, given that you've indicated that you'll go to a shelter to get a dog.
    With a young child, I would steer clear of shelters... they simply can't tell you enough of what you need to know about a prospective dog. Shelter accommodation is not particularly conducive to getting an accurate idea of what a dog is like in a home environment, with kids, with the postman, in the car, with vacuum cleaners etc etc. Dogs living in kennels are often quite inhibited, and may not start to show their true colours until they're settled in a new home.

    Agree with this. You have to be really careful when you have such young children.


  • #40
    Magenta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    DBB wrote: »
    If you're going for a purebred dog, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Cavalier King Charles! A tad prone to health problems (but then many purebreds are, and if you go to a good breeder you should minimise the risks)

    I disagree here. In the UK, there was one breeder who had won multiple awards for her dog, and had studded him out over 30 times, despite him having been diagnosed with syringomyelia, a horrible painful condition that the breed is notorious for (OP- it's basically, the dog's skull is too big for his brain, and it causes them to have fits). I have seen many many websites for Cavalier breeders and only ONE gets her dogs screened for syringomyelia. The rest- some mention getting their hearts checked, but not all.


  • #41
    DBB
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,805 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Magenta wrote: »
    I disagree here. In the UK, there was one breeder who had won multiple awards for her dog, and had studded him out over 30 times, despite him having been diagnosed with syringomyelia, a horrible painful condition that the breed is notorious for (OP- it's basically, the dog's skull is too big for his brain, and it causes them to have fits). I have seen many many websites for Cavalier breeders and only ONE gets her dogs screened for syringomyelia. The rest- some mention getting their hearts checked, but not all.

    I agree! I did say it *should* minimise the risks, but in reality, finding a Cav breeder who does the expensive testing for SM is very difficult indeed, let alone the ubiquitous heart condition.
    However, they are still a super little family dog... but I would never buy one. I would, however, rescue one that has already been made :o


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  • #42
    amyjtyrrell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 ✭amyjtyrrell


    Thanks for all the advice guys.

    We are goin to go to <a rescue group (mod edit)> this weekend just to look at dogs and see what advice they have.

    I think that there is a hell of a lot to consider before we introduce a dog to our family.

    I shall continue with my research and let you know how we git on <snip>.

    Really appreciate all of the advice :-)

    Sorry OP, as we don't allow reference to named rescues on the forum, I've edited out those bits, but I don't think it detracts from the gist of your post!
    Thanks,
    DBB


  • #43
    witnessmenow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,320 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Whatever breed you get, DON'T buy from Done Deal!!

    There is genuine people on done deal too, we got our dog from a family on done deal (mammy dog was caught) and the pups were in great shape and seemed part of the family. They had a great start made on the house training too (she associated going outside with doing her business)


  • #44
    Sunny.Days
    Closed Accounts Posts: 44 ✭Sunny.Days


    I think it's completely how u bring the dog up. We've always had Tibetan terriers and they've been great. I find them so personable, with us and each other (currently have two). They're also great guard dogs. The first one we had (has since passed away) was very wary of strangers coming into the house and had a fierce bark that made her sound big and scary if you heard her from the outside. Anyway, we had a break in one night and because of her barking the house down it not only woke us up but stopped the burglars from exploring further into the house.

    We also have a Maltese who's tiny but the most vicous, territorial little thing I've ever come across. I think this is just because he's been spoilt rotten as a puppy though.

    When I was younger my friend had cocker spaniels and they were great dogs.


  • #45
    Queen-Mise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Whatever breed you get, DON'T buy from Done Deal!!

    Is there any problem with getting a mongrel (Heinz 57:)) of Donedeal - someone looking to home some pups, because the mother got caught. We got our kitten of someone on Donedeal in this situation.

    Personally I much prefer mongrels to pure breeds. IMO, they usually have much better temperaments. But then, I have very little experience with pure breeds - we have always had crosses of some description.
    DBB wrote: »
    Finally, because I have to say this... not a Westie . Definitely, not a Westie. Any terrier, in fact, is a higher risk.

    What is the problem with Westie's:confused: I have a 'mostly' Westie* and he is one of the nicest dogs I have ever met - he has such a pleasant temperament. Whereas the Jack Russell is sneaky out:P

    *I have no idea what he is mixed with, some kind of terrier, he looks like a Westie, but is too big.


  • #46
    SillyMangoX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭SillyMangoX


    One of the problems I personally find about mongrels being sold/given away on done deal, it's an easy solution. These people don't neuter their dog, it gets caught, sure why not stick them online and make even 20 bucks a pop. Hmm, that was an easy way to get rid of the pups, if it's that easy, there is no motivation to actually go out and get the dog neutered! But that's just my opinion, of course there are some genuine people who do have a once off litter if the bitch got caught before neutering. Personally with kids I would think some sort of spaniel would be good, king charles would be my first choice but be so careful who you get them from!! I had a jack russell x staffie growing up and she wasn't great with kids to be honest, wired to the moon (from the JRT side!). A staffie would be my second choice around kids!


  • #47
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    Queen-Mise wrote: »
    Is there any problem with getting a mongrel (Heinz 57:)) of Donedeal - someone looking to home some pups, because the mother got caught. We got our kitten of someone on Donedeal in this situation.

    No, there isn't - if you know what you're doing. Read my previous posts. I did say that I got my dog, via DD. I also advised the OP NOT to buy from there, as she has never owned a dog before and had no previous knowledge. The OP also stated she wanted a low/non shed dog, did she not?


  • #48
    Queen-Mise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Queen-Mise


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    No, there isn't - if you know what you're doing. Read my previous posts. I did say that I got my dog, via DD. I also advised the OP NOT to buy from there, as she has never owned a dog before and had no previous knowledge. The OP also stated she wanted a low/non shed dog, did she not?

    There is a violent anti-DD sentiment on this forum. I was raising/asking that if you are not buying a pup/kitten - then is there still a problem with DD. Although I'd never pay for a mongrel either - I didn't realise SillyMango, that people were asked for money for Heinz 57s.

    Depending on the type of dog you want - to source a local pup, all the local papers/notice boards/parish newsletters, etc - may have something. And being that local - it is easy to go around and check how the mammy & pups are being looked after. And see what kind of a home they are coming from.


    Bitches always get caught - the nature of being human and putting things on the long finger... I'd imagine that a lot of bitches are spayed as soon as the pups are weaned - one unwanted litter of pups is enough.
    I have put off spaying our bitch, as she is a lovely dog and a few people have asked about breeding with her. She won't be two until this summer, so time enough yet. Although she hasn't come into heat yet either.


  • #49
    The Bishop Basher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭The Bishop Basher


    OP you have got lots of excellent advice here. I grew up with spaniels. Mainly cockers and a couple of springers and they were all amazing dogs.

    My one special fella, the pup I had from a young age was a grumpy git though. He couldn't be trusted with kids outside the family. We had a special bond, he was fiercely protective of me and I loved him to pieces but I wouldn't wish him on your family. Point being, all breeds have quirks and every dog is different.

    Research, research, research and then choose your breeder wisely.

    Having had numerous rescue dogs I recently decided to get a pedigree again and there was only ever one choice. A boxer. I love the temperament and they are super with kids, and thankfully we have a gem.

    I suppose what i wanted to say was don't be put off getting a dog. It's so beneficial for kids in so many ways and they'll have amazing memories for a lifetime. But the amount of work involved is incredible. Much more work then kids in many ways. But like kids, so so worth it.

    Good luck with your search and I hope you have many happy years of friendship and fun with your pup !!!


  • #50
    borderlinemeath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,358 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    Queen-Mise wrote: »
    There is a violent anti-DD sentiment on this forum. I was raising/asking that if you are not buying a pup/kitten - then is there still a problem with DD. Although I'd never pay for a mongrel either - I didn't realise SillyMango, that people were asked for money for Heinz 57s.

    It's not an anti DD sentiment, it's more to do with the fact that DD, Gumtree etc are the first port of call for puppy farmers/byb/people trying to make a quick buck out of a bitch getting caught. The ads aren't vetted before they go live so there's no system in place to weed out the bad from the good. That's why they're so popular with the people who are out to make as much money as possible from the sale of animals without a thought for their welfare. The farmers/byb are very very good at marketing their ads, making it look like it's the perfect situation so it's so easy for somebody who isn't clued in to miss the warning signs.
    Depending on the type of dog you want - to source a local pup, all the local papers/notice boards/parish newsletters, etc - may have something. And being that local - it is easy to go around and check how the mammy & pups are being looked after. And see what kind of a home they are coming from.

    Maybe 20 years ago, but rightly or wrongly, the internet has taken over from what you suggest above. Local rescues are the best port of call. Also OP, while you are looking for suggestions in Dublin, to find the right dog for your family you shouldn't rule out looking further afield. My rescue dog came from the other side of the country to us, because he was the right dog for us. Some rescues have volunteers countrywide who will homecheck and depending on circumstances even transport the dog to you. So please don't rule it out.

    Bitches always get caught - the nature of being human and putting things on the long finger... I'd imagine that a lot of bitches are spayed as soon as the pups are weaned - one unwanted litter of pups is enough.
    I have put off spaying our bitch, as she is a lovely dog and a few people have asked about breeding with her. She won't be two until this summer, so time enough yet. Although she hasn't come into heat yet either.

    You say that one unwanted litter is enough, but none is better. There are far, far too many dogs being bred, intentionally or unintentionally. Before we got her spayed we had thoughts of breeding our bitch but came to the realisation that it was;

    Unnecessary - why breed more dogs when there's perfect dogs in rescues/shelters and pounds countrywide

    Costly - most people think that they can make money from breeding. Not the case if you want to do it right, getting health tests done before mating, paying appropriate stud fees for the best mate, vets fees before, during and after the pups arrive, emergency call out contingency fund in case something goes wrong during whelping, initial worming of the pups, vaccinations etc. (and insurance doesn't cover pregnancy), Microchipping the pups, registering them if they are pedigree.. giving a guarantee that if there is a problem that the pup can come back to you etc.

    Risky - it's a risky thing to put your dog through. There's always a chance of complications, infections, still born pups.

    Time consuming - if you want to breed, be prepared for some sleepless nights


  • #51
    westies4ever
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭westies4ever


    I agree with DBB's sentiments on the westies. I absoultely adore the breed (the clue is in the name :rolleyes:). I have two - my female is a sweetheart, very docile and gentle. Shes great with everyone. She is very small for a westie though.

    My male is a monster, a huge westie, hes good natured and friendly enough but he can be rough when playing. He's 3 going on 97 - I call him my grumpy old man - he HATES to be annoyed, picked up, hugged, kissed etc. He adores me and loves his affection on his own terms (that generally takes the form of a head butt)but he will growl and show his teeth if irritated. He loves his own space as well. I cant imagine him around small kids, or kids hanging out of him. And on researching the breed my male seems to be the norm, rather than the exception.


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