No exemptions for Motor Tax Bill

snausbaby · 22-03-2013 10:19PM #1

Hope this is the correct forum. Does anyone know anymore about this and when it is likely to happen?

Thanks

Environment Minister Phil Hogan is getting rid of the rule which allows for exemptions from motor tax for cars that are "off the road".

The Government hopes the move will yield €40m a year, and the legislation bringing in the change is due to come before the Dail soon.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/outofdate-tax-disc-puts-brakes-on-fine-gael-29141811.html

colm_mcm · 22-03-2013 10:25PM

The article is about the van with no tax, the other bit at the end has been talked about for years.

CiniO · 22-03-2013 10:27PM

Besides, it looks unreal to force people to pay tax on cars which are off the road.
But as they say - everything is possible.

CJhaughey · 22-03-2013 10:28PM

I suppose there will be exemptions for Motor traders?

Seweryn · 22-03-2013 10:31PM

Interesting. So they may send you a bill for a car that you no longer own, i.e. that you sold to a person living abroad.

rameire · 22-03-2013 10:32PM

the idea is to declare the car off the road before hand.
meaning if you are driving and caught without tax after you have declared it off the road you are stung, and they will crush your car and charge you postage to have it returned.

snausbaby · 22-03-2013 10:42PM

I can understand if they bring in a SORN like the UK and sting you if you are caught out, but where does the 40m revenue come from?

Eric Cartman · 22-03-2013 10:50PM

snausbaby wrote: »

I can understand if they bring in a SORN like the UK and sting you if you are caught out, but where does the 40m revenue come from?

supposedly lost revenue from people declaring off the road instead of paying arrears

Del2005 · 22-03-2013 10:50PM

snausbaby wrote: »

I can understand if they bring in a SORN like the UK and sting you if you are caught out, but where does the 40m revenue come from?

People doing the tax for 3 months. Drive for 2 months more then declare it off the road for the 2 months. And get 3 months tax. Repeat

snausbaby · 22-03-2013 10:58PM

Sounds too exhausting! whyndo it, surely paying the 3 month option, the fee works out higher in the long run or probably somewhere around the annual figure anyway.

I thought it was illegal to drive without a valid tax disc, surely the guard would'nt keep signing the form off.

dahamsta · 22-03-2013 10:59PM

I'd be delighted to see all those tax dodging scumbags have their cars crushed. They should set up seating so we can watch, or have a parade of steaming metal cubes.

Eric Cartman · 22-03-2013 11:00PM

dahamsta wrote: »

I'd be delighted to see all those tax dodging scumbags have their cars crushed. They should set up seating so we can watch, or have a parade of steaming metal cubes.

2/10 , I really hope you dont seriously think like that.

corktina · 23-03-2013 03:44AM

snausbaby wrote: »

Sounds too exhausting! whyndo it, surely paying the 3 month option, the fee works out higher in the long run or probably somewhere around the annual figure anyway.

I thought it was illegal to drive without a valid tax disc, surely the guard would'nt keep signing the form off.

they are merely witnessing the signature...if you are telling porkies it can come back and bite you

Del2005 · 23-03-2013 03:45AM

snausbaby wrote: »

Sounds too exhausting! whyndo it, surely paying the 3 month option, the fee works out higher in the long run or probably somewhere around the annual figure anyway.

They are only taxing the car for 6 months of the year.

If you pay 1/4ly it is more expensive than paying annually. But the fine for not paying is less than the tax. So tax for 3 months, drive for 2 then back tax and new 3 months is cheaper than keeping it taxed

snausbaby wrote: »

I thought it was illegal to drive without a valid tax disc, surely the guard would'nt keep signing the form off.

All the Garda is doing is witnessing your signature. You are the person making a legal declaration that the car has been off the road.

What they should be doing is witness the signature, check if the car has flagged on Pulse/ANPR and then do the person for both offences if it has:D

keithclancy · 23-03-2013 09:35AM

Seweryn wrote: »

Interesting. So they may send you a bill for a car that you no longer own, i.e. that you sold to a person living abroad.

Well if they did it, I would assume there would be a process to register the car as exported.

lardzeppelin · 23-03-2013 09:54AM

So far as covering tax dodgers, Ok, get them and make them pay their dues....Where I'm not happy would be the Govt charging 'motor / road tax' to people for having 'spare' vehicles...I have a project car for summer use, a van for winter and spring and a general back up for all the family...I dont break the law, I do pay my tax, and I live deep in the heart of the country where there is no piublic transport....Very obviously, this is another FG money robbing ploy to drop on the already cash strapped car dependant populous....How much before there is a proper rebellion in respect of 'milking the motorist'...

Seweryn · 23-03-2013 09:56AM

lardzeppelin wrote: »

How much before there is a proper rebellion in respect of 'milking the motorist'...

There won't be any. We will sit, relax and just pay as always

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JohnBoy26 · 23-03-2013 09:57AM

dahamsta wrote: »

I'd be delighted to see all those tax dodging scumbags have their cars crushed. They should set up seating so we can watch, or have a parade of steaming metal cubes.

You sir are one nasty individual, your post is just ridiculous.

keithclancy · 23-03-2013 09:59AM

lardzeppelin wrote: »

So far as covering tax dodgers, Ok, get them and make them pay their dues....Where I'm not happy would be the Govt charging 'motor / road tax' to people for having 'spare' vehicles...I have a project car for summer use, a van for winter and spring and a general back up for all the family...I dont break the law, I do pay my tax, and I live deep in the heart of the country where there is no piublic transport....Very obviously, this is another FG money robbing ploy to drop on the already cash strapped car dependant populous....How much before there is a proper rebellion in respect of 'milking the motorist'...

As far as I know the only difference would be is that you have to make the declaration up front similar to the SORN Declaration in the UK.

lardzeppelin · 23-03-2013 10:10AM

keithclancy wrote: »

As far as I know the only difference would be is that you have to make the declaration up front similar to the SORN Declaration in the UK.

Hi Keith....

Yeah, look, im fine with declaring VOR on anything thats not being used as the cars and van are used on a rotation basis, Im concerned that we (the motorists) will be called upon to pay 'road tax' simply for owning a car, irrespective of whether its insured and NCT'd for use on the public roads or not...And that was how I was reading the bill, as it where, just another revenue stream for the ECB paymasters bail-out...(the Govt would of course deny till bule in the face)...

snausbaby · 23-03-2013 12:29PM

Thank you for the responses, I think I feel a little bit less worried now. We had to take our family car off the road (2.9 people carrier) as road tax too much for us at the moment; stored in a friends warehouse and short of a miracle just now it will have to stay off the road as no buyers either!

23-03-2013 12:35PM

Seweryn wrote: »

Interesting. So they may send you a bill for a car that you no longer own, i.e. that you sold to a person living abroad.

When you sell a car you have to send change of ownership details from back of log book back to Shannon. If you don't, you are still legal owner and any convictions are yours.

For Forks Sake · 23-03-2013 01:18PM

snausbaby wrote: »

Thank you for the responses, I think I feel a little bit less worried now. We had to take our family car off the road (2.9 people carrier) as road tax too much for us at the moment; stored in a friends warehouse and short of a miracle just now it will have to stay off the road as no buyers either!

By any chance is it a SsangYong Rodius?

Seweryn · 23-03-2013 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When you sell a car you have to send change of ownership details from back of log book back to Shannon. If you don't, you are still legal owner and any convictions are yours.

When you sell a car to a foreign buyer that lives abroad you have to hand over the Vehicle Registration Document to the buyer. And that was my point in the first place.

166man · 23-03-2013 02:29PM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

By any chance is it a SsangYong Rodius?

I was thinking old model Kia Sedona myself....:o

No exemptions for Motor Tax Bill

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