My view on the gym and why people don't make any progress.

MikeC101 · 11-06-2013 10:25AM

spiderman1885 wrote: »

OP, thoughts on moths doing TRX classes?

Moths don't get much out of TRX - tend to be distracted during the class and spend their time circling the gym lights instead...

spiderman1885 · 11-06-2013 10:40AM

MikeC101 wrote: »

Moths don't get much out of TRX - tend to be distracted during the class and spend their time circling the gym lights instead...

Weh weh weh

WrigleysExtra · 11-06-2013 02:14PM

spiderman1885 wrote: »

OP, thoughts on moths doing TRX classes?

I have never really done any TRX classes and in my opinion there's no replacement for free weights. In saying that if it makes people get out and do some form of resistance training then I'm all for it. I do see a few facebook friends that do it and they have seen good results but in most cases it's down to people improving their diets.

People will try anything to lose weight and if TRX is the next fad and it motivates people and they see results then great.

Systemic Risk · 11-06-2013 04:19PM

alphamule wrote: »

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kittycati · 17-06-2013 09:55AM

Some women don't do weights etc . . Because of the body physique they are looking to achieve. You may prefer the look of a woman who uses these but everyone going to gym has their very own individual goals and ambitions that they want to achieve. The physique you referring to may not appeal to them.

pemtca · 17-06-2013 10:02AM

kittycati wrote: »

Some women don't do weights etc . . Because of the body physique they are looking to achieve. You may prefer the look of a woman who uses these but everyone going to gym has their very own individual goals and ambitions that they want to achieve. The physique you referring to may not appeal to them.

Most women (and I am one) want to look 'toned'. In my experience the best way to achieve a 'toned' look is with heavy weights. Cardio just doesn't get the same results.

kittycati · 17-06-2013 10:05AM

pemtca wrote: »

Most women (and I am one) want to look 'toned'. In my experience the best way to achieve a 'toned' look is with heavy weights. Cardio just doesn't get the same results.

I said some. You referred to most. Just saying each for their own

discus · 17-06-2013 10:05AM

pemtca wrote: »

Most women (and I am one) want to look 'toned'. In my experience the best way to achieve a 'toned' look is with heavy weights. Cardio just doesn't get the same results.

Exactly! A female mate of mine was competing in one of the Irish powerlifting events, placed high enough (got a medal for deadlift I think) and she's as toned as it gets. I thought the 'cardio vs weights for toning' knowledge had spread around already!

pemtca · 17-06-2013 10:11AM

kittycati wrote: »

I said some. You referred to most. Just saying each for their own

Fair enough

If you don't want to look 'toned' then stay far away from the weights!

kittycati · 17-06-2013 10:14AM

pemtca wrote: »

Fair enough If you don't want to look 'toned' then stay far away from the weights!

Not talking about myself. First post from this thread spoke of what annoys him/her. I believe going to gym is personal thing and everyone goes for different reasons.

WrigleysExtra · 17-06-2013 12:43PM

kittycati wrote: »

Not talking about myself. First post from this thread spoke of what annoys him/her. I believe going to gym is personal thing and everyone goes for different reasons.

Was probably a rant / friendly advice to fellow gym goers. Lift weights get dates?

Transform · 17-06-2013 01:44PM

kittycati wrote: »

Not talking about myself. First post from this thread spoke of what annoys him/her. I believe going to gym is personal thing and everyone goes for different reasons.

Have to agree - let people do whatever they want.

When they need help or stop making progress THEN some intervention might be needed but honestly GETTING to the gym is half the battle for most.

The likes of Ben Dunnes etc hope most never ever show up hence the massive growth in smaller and limited member number gyms opening up for those that really want to make serious progress and actually get some decent instuction

Inspector Coptoor · 17-06-2013 01:47PM

True,
BUT if you know what you're doing, and you don't mind a couple of restrictions when it comes to equipment (bumpers, platform, GHR etc), Ben Dunne gyms provide exceptional value.

thegreatiam · 17-06-2013 01:59PM

BD's target market is the new years resolution. pay up in jan and go until February, never set foot in the place after that.
its good tho, no line for the squat rack after feb first.

Hanley · 17-06-2013 03:39PM

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

True,
BUT if you know what you're doing, and you don't mind a couple of restrictions when it comes to equipment (bumpers, platform, GHR etc), Ben Dunne gyms provide exceptional value.

100% this. 3 years ago no one knew what ANY of that stuff was. Now you can't get a decent workout without it. Ridiculous.

Squiggle · 17-06-2013 03:53PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

BD's target market is the new years resolution. pay up in jan and go until February, never set foot in the place after that.
its good tho, no line for the squat rack after feb first.

I read somewhere that 50% of people who join a gym on Jan 1st have stopped using it by the end of February. My 14 year experience of the same gym would suggest a much higher figure like 70 or 80%. As I see it most people who want to change their lifestyle would be better off not going anywhere near a gym as they won't stick with it.

Transform · 18-06-2013 09:16AM

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

True,
BUT if you know what you're doing, and you don't mind a couple of restrictions when it comes to equipment (bumpers, platform, GHR etc), Ben Dunne gyms provide exceptional value.

agreed but its a bit of a pain in the arse when im programming for clients that train in ben Dunnes and i cant include something as simple as a Kettlebell swing.

A good friend of mine trains in the KCR one and loves it but says he gets strange looks when hes doing metcons with burpees, box jumps etc or anything that doesnt look like typical cardio or bodybuilding

thegreatiam · 18-06-2013 09:40AM

Transform wrote: »

agreed but its a bit of a pain in the arse when im programming for clients that train in ben Dunnes and i cant include something as simple as a Kettlebell swing.

cant they buy their own kettle bells? they are fairly cheap arent they?
still about the 3rd of the cost of the whole year in ben dunnes.

or would a 20kg plate or dumbbell not suffice?

Transform wrote: »

A good friend of mine trains in the KCR one and loves it but says he gets strange looks when hes doing metcons with burpees, box jumps etc or anything that doesnt look like typical cardio or bodybuilding

pff, let them look. as the thread has proved you can't make an assumption as to what someone is doing by looking.

Ive looked at a few people in the gym, usually I am trying to copy their form or see if I can repeat what they are doing later. or I could just be staring into space hoping the pain in my quads isnt terminal.

I think the main thing in the gym is that people will look, shut them out and get on with it, or interact with them and find out why they are looking.

KTRIC · 18-06-2013 09:41AM

Transform wrote: »

A good friend of mine trains in the KCR one and loves it but says he gets strange looks when hes doing metcons with burpees, box jumps etc or anything that doesnt look like typical cardio or bodybuilding

I had the same when doing burpees in Jervis Street, even had people trying to copy me and doing a very bad job :rolleyes:

Not a person · 18-06-2013 11:29AM

KTRIC wrote: »

I had the same when doing burpees in Jervis Street, even had people trying to copy me and doing a very bad job :rolleyes:

Burpees are great, I hide in the studio though to do them though,

I wouldn`t be comfortable bursting them out on the main gym floor.

brownej · 18-06-2013 12:34PM

WrigleysExtra wrote: »

I have never really done any TRX classes and in my opinion there's no replacement for free weights. In saying that if it makes people get out and do some form of resistance training then I'm all for it. I do see a few facebook friends that do it and they have seen good results but in most cases it's down to people improving their diets.

People will try anything to lose weight and if TRX is the next fad and it motivates people and they see results then great.

I find TRX really good. I do it once a week. I use it only as a supplement to weight training.
Its don't think its really a reistance workout it is more cardio than anything else. I find the class good because I will push myself and am usually ready to puke by the end.
Its definitely something I couldn't do on my own as I would be constantly thinking about what to do next and taking that extra few seconds break but in a class there's someone shouting instructions at you and going straight from one exercise to another.
For most of the things you do in TRX there are progressions of difficuly depending on your ability, strength and flexibility levels.
Like with any class you can put in as much effort as you want. If you're not motivated to bust your arse then no one can force you.

Transform · 18-06-2013 12:54PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

cant they buy their own kettle bells? they are fairly cheap arent they?
still about the 3rd of the cost of the whole year in ben dunnes.

or would a 20kg plate or dumbbell not suffice?

pff, let them look. as the thread has proved you can't make an assumption as to what someone is doing by looking.

Ive looked at a few people in the gym, usually I am trying to copy their form or see if I can repeat what they are doing later. or I could just be staring into space hoping the pain in my quads isnt terminal.

I think the main thing in the gym is that people will look, shut them out and get on with it, or interact with them and find out why they are looking.

Yes i just get them to use a dumbbell but still its a complete pain as its a basic piece of equipment.

All my home training clients buy kettlebells and the ones that use Ben Dunnes have been told they cant bring in their own. One client was even told he couldnt skip anywhere on the gym floor!

I now work with more clients that train from home than train in a commercial gym and its not hard to see why

thegreatiam · 18-06-2013 01:13PM

Transform wrote: »

Yes i just get them to use a dumbbell but still its a complete pain as its a basic piece of equipment.

All my home training clients buy kettlebells and the ones that use Ben Dunnes have been told they cant bring in their own. One client was even told he couldnt skip anywhere on the gym floor!

I now work with more clients that train from home than train in a commercial gym and its not hard to see why

ben dunnes are trialing trx units in cherrywood, so they may invest in kettlebells in the next decade. fingers crossed for you.

not bringing your own gear is bollocks tho pretty out of order.
not sure of skipping, never seen anyone doing it. and i can believe that unless there is a designated area to expect flying ropes then it could be seen as a hazard. though should be an area for it, its a pretty common thing to do id imagine.
Id be willing to try to test if I can skip there but I cant skip anywhere so no point ;-)

Ive often heard about their maximum dumbbell is 30kgs because of insurance reasons, but I find that hard to believe, would be more inclined to say they have max 30kgs to dissuade hard core bodybuilders.

but again i'm happy, as its less people curling in my squat rack ;-)

thisisadamh · 18-06-2013 03:41PM

I have not read through the entire thread, only the first page. But just wondering what are the sites that ye recommend where one could get an 'education'.

thegreatiam · 18-06-2013 03:59PM

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have not read through the entire thread, only the first page. But just wondering what are the sites that ye recommend where one could get an 'education'.

Boards.Ie

WrigleysExtra · 18-06-2013 04:11PM

thisisadamh wrote: »

I have not read through the entire thread, only the first page. But just wondering what are the sites that ye recommend where one could get an 'education'.

Well there are many places but if you look at the stickies on bodybuilding.com forums then you will learn plenty. Some other good websites are leangains.com or biolayne.com

Transform · 18-06-2013 04:25PM

thegreatiam wrote: »

ben dunnes are trialing trx units in cherrywood, so they may invest in kettlebells in the next decade. fingers crossed for you.

not bringing your own gear is bollocks tho pretty out of order.
not sure of skipping, never seen anyone doing it. and i can believe that unless there is a designated area to expect flying ropes then it could be seen as a hazard. though should be an area for it, its a pretty common thing to do id imagine.
Id be willing to try to test if I can skip there but I cant skip anywhere so no point ;-)

Ive often heard about their maximum dumbbell is 30kgs because of insurance reasons, but I find that hard to believe, would be more inclined to say they have max 30kgs to dissuade hard core bodybuilders.

but again i'm happy, as its less people curling in my squat rack ;-)

the max dumbbell thing is NOT insurance and everything to do with bodybuilders etc as Ben Dunne was good friends with the boss of Crunch fitness (who i worked for many years ago) and he had the same policy - no heavy weights = less bodybuilders.

Commercial gyms are quick to buy new super expensive crosstainer/stepper/split treadmill type thingy yet anything that would actually involve coaching their members in e.g. foam rolling (actually putting in 20 grid foam rolls would be a start), kettlebell swings, mobility work based around a simple assessment of each and every member etc seems like too much hard work.

Most are all show and no go

srm23 · 18-06-2013 11:58PM

Transform wrote: »

Commercial gyms are quick to buy new super expensive crosstainer/stepper/split treadmill type thingy yet anything that would actually involve coaching their members in e.g. foam rolling (actually putting in 20 grid foam rolls would be a start), kettlebell swings, mobility work based around a simple assessment of each and every member etc seems like too much hard work.

I agree with this Dom, the gym I am in keep the Kettlebells locked away and only take them out for their 30 mins classes. Would love to do my own session with them

ted1 · 19-06-2013 07:44AM

30kgs is the most that any staff member can lift without using a mechanical device. Anybody who has done a manual handling course at work should know this.

It's not a legal requirement but comes under best practice

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 19-06-2013 08:57AM

If only there was some sort of long metal stick you could put circular weights on each end that would get you over the 30kg rule

Or some method of controlling the 30kg dumbbell to increase your time under tension, something like doing to movement more slowly or more often?

yeah, I know dumbells are great for increasing core activation and accessory muscles during a movement, but most people I see lifting heavy dumbbells have poor form or are doing a limited range of movement. Single arm dumbbell rows are an ego exercise.

The lack of KB's in BD is a bummer, but people would dent the floor with them and they would need a ambulance on standby outside for all the injuries people do to themselves. This is the price of paying 3 euro a week for a gym. Apart from that the equipment is plentiful and excellent. And a little creativity with the equipment means you can achieve full body DOMS no problem.

My view on the gym and why people don't make any progress.

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