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Buying second hand car NOT from the owner

  • 01-07-2013 10:05PM
    #1
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭


    Good night guys,

    We are currently looking into buying a car that is being sold by a friend on behalf of the other who left the country for a job.
    We are sure that the car is genuine, has full service history with the local authorised dealer and all checks have been run.
    The main question is: what documents should "a friend" produce in order to sell the car? Any kind of affidavit or anything else?

    Thank you!


Comments

  • #2
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    *popcorn time*


  • #3
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I wouldn't unless it's for very small money.


  • #4
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,675 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Have you seen the logbook? Are we talking about a lot of money?


  • #5
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭_NY_


    Yes, have seen all the docs for the car. One owner from new. We are talking just under €10K.


  • #6
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,488 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    That's a big and expensive leap of faith to be taking there.


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  • #7
    Kenny Logins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,060 ✭✭✭Kenny Logins


    I asked for a hand written receipt. Not sure why... or what it would do for me.

    Thinking about it now, I didn't even get the V5 at the time. One shred of doubt and I'd have cancelled the whole thing.

    I trusted the seller though (he was away in NY at the time, car was in Sheffield).


  • #8
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,812 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    _NY_ wrote: »
    Yes, have seen all the docs for the car. One owner from new. We are talking just under €10K.

    You would have to be mad imo. Could be stolen, be a stolen car on plates from a legit identical car. Could have false documents. Real owner could be part of a scam and report it stolen when you buy it.


  • #9
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭_NY_


    bazz26 wrote: »
    That's a big and expensive leap of faith to be taking there.

    I do realise that but the guy selling is local, disclosed his workplace without problems (had to arrange car check at dealership and he was coming in at lunchtime), very open and forthcoming. Car clean from cartell check as well. So, no bells ringing but would want to be on the safe side.


  • #10
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭_NY_


    mickdw wrote: »
    You would have to be mad imo. Could be stolen, be a stolen car on plates from a legit identical car. Could have false documents. Real owner could be part of a scam and report it stolen when you buy it.

    All numbers correspond to documents and cartell check. Wouldn't cartell check show it as stolen if it was? So what exactly do I need from the owner to go through with it?
    All previous cars bought through the dealers so not sure with private deals.


  • #11
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    _NY_ wrote: »
    Car clean from cartell check as well. So, no bells ringing but would want to be on the safe side.

    Did you check the plates match the chasis number?


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  • #12
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    Basically, he has not title to the car, so he can't sell it you as he can't legally sign the VLC to go to Shannon, therefore - you'll have no legal title to the car.........10k down the jacksie if it all goes pearshaped.


  • #13
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭_NY_


    fasttalkerchat wrote: »
    Did you check the plates match the chasis number?

    Yes, it does.


  • #14
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    If the owner has already signed the VRC on the back, than I can't really see a problem if OP consideres the friend seller genuine.

    The same risk as buying straight from the owner privately.


  • #15
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    CiniO wrote: »
    The same risk as buying straight from the owner privately.

    its not, because the buyer will not have a contract of sale with the owner of the car....but I get the impression NY has their mind made up already.


  • #16
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    its not, because the buyer will not have a contract of sale with the owner of the car.....
    That's easily fixed. The beneficial owner sighs a letter of authorisation for his local friend / agent empowering him to sign the VRC and a bill of sale on his behalf. Purchaser gets authorisation letter and signed bill of sale. Purchaser and agent sign VRC and post it to Shannon.


  • #17
    _NY_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭_NY_


    mathepac, thank you. That was the exact info we were looking for.


  • #18
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    MidlandsM wrote: »
    its not, because the buyer will not have a contract of sale with the owner of the car....but I get the impression NY has their mind made up already.

    What contract do you mean?
    Unless someone is going to bother with written contract, otherwise it's only verbal contract confirmed by signatures on vrc.

    If seller signature is there, then situation is hardly any different than buying from owner directly.

    In the end - vast majority of buyers don't even ask sellers for ID so they could be buying from anyone really.


  • #19
    MidlandsM
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭MidlandsM


    CiniO wrote: »
    What contract do you mean?
    Unless someone is going to bother with written contract, otherwise it's only verbal contract confirmed by signatures on vrc.

    If seller signature is there, then situation is hardly any different than buying from owner directly.

    In the end - vast majority of buyers don't even ask sellers for ID so they could be buying from anyone really.


    a contract of sale invoice....

    re; a letter of authorisating, no one else only the owner of the car can sign the back of the VLC.
    In most circumstances here, people just forge the seller sig,,,illegal, but happens all the time.


  • #20
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Seems like an expensive risk to be taking IMO.. Unless it's an unusual car or a hard-to-get spec I'd probably move on myself.


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