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Why do I have to pay more money for this??

  • 06-07-2013 08:49PM
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    leanbh
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  • #2
    muffler
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    leanbh wrote: »
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    What has your appointed architect said?


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    kkelliher
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    leanbh wrote: »
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    It comes down to what detail was given to the builder. If the builder is removing a suspended timber floor structure and replacing with a new timber floor then there would be no reason for him to include for cleaning out under the suspended floor structure unless he was asked 9in the contract documents) to do so.


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    leanbh
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    sinnerboy
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    In my opinion this is a valid - and fair - extra. If a builder is contracted to remove a suspended timber ( to replace it with a concrete floor I assume - please confirm/deny) and finds something unexpected that complicates the job he is entitled to to be paid for what extra works it transpires that he has to do


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    sinnerboy
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    leanbh wrote: »
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    If you are building a new concrtete floor it has to come out first. If you are replacing the timber floor structure it is not safe to leave rubble in place. You cant expect carpenters to work on an unstable surface.
    leanbh wrote: »
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    No it doesn't. It is/was reasonable to assume no rubble is present.


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    leanbh
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  • #8
    prewtna
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    If i were you i would expect more 'extra's coming down the line especially given that its a refurb project - these can be especially tricky to 'pin down' in terms of existing services locations etc etc.

    the view i would take is that, in general (ignoring the spurious, chancing their arm type claims from the contractor - of which there will be plenty), the idea of the fixed price contract sum is a bit misleading to people who aren't immersed in the industry.

    it is fixed in the sense that they priced what was shown on the drawings & outlined in the spec, other than that, they cannot know about it prior to commencement and anything over and above this is justifiably an 'extra'.

    you must also remember that in the current cut-throat construction market, the extras is where the contractor will make his profit, so while it may seem petty and cheeky from your own point of view, they will hit you with everything they can to make a profit, and to be honest its hard to blame them.

    there will always be information missing from the design team (architect, engineer etc) side. No matter what provisions they make, it is impossible (despite the best will in the world) to account for everything at design stage. the rubble in the floor being a perfect example. they will however (or should have) contingencies built into the project which could be cut out without reducing the quality of the end product. However in the grand scheme of things €200 doesn't sound like a show-stopper.

    good luck with the project.


  • #9
    etcetc
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    whats stopping you or partner clearing out the rubble yourself


  • #10
    sinnerboy
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    etcetc wrote: »
    whats stopping you or partner clearing out the rubble yourself

    Watch it. Under building contract law the house is now the builders site and he has responsibilties under health and safety law to keep a safe site. An accident arising under this scenario may well not be possible to claim under the builders insurances.


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